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aggieRT
Dodge Dakota
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3/26/2003
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I am about to drop a few grand into my 01 R/T is it better to supercharge it or keep it naturally aspired for the money
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kota on 20s
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3/26/2003
20:19:11
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supercharge it, or put some nitrous on it
~Eric
Single cam, non-VTEC
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MikeD
*R/T*
3/27/2003
00:48:30
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KRC's Lightning Killer Package is $4000 bout the same for a SC...guaranteed to see better RWHP than a SC. Our engines don't respond well to a SC on a stock engine. Dyno #'s I've seen on a Daks w/ a SC on a stock engine is in the neighborhood of 280-285HP. Dyno #'s on mine and a buddy of mine w/ the Killer package averages 300+RWHP.
Just depends if you just wanna bolt it on or tear into the engine.
~Mike~
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kota on 20s
GenIII
3/27/2003
00:55:03
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verry true. but here are 2 good reasons to go with a SC
1) vortech's and paxton's are smog legal. you dont have to worry about changing a cam and heads every 2 years, if you have to worry about that stuff.
2) if you decide to sell the truck, it would be easier to sell the supercharger, then a bunch of parts (i know about 3 people who sold there SC in a matter of hours on the net)
you can also buy a used SC for a great price, and save some cash
~Eric
Single cam, non-VTEC
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MikeD
*R/T*
3/27/2003
01:01:11
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LOL well also consider these things...
1. With a supercharger you have to worry about how much boost your engine can handle if you aren't careful you can blow head gaskets.
2. A supercharger is going full time so its more of a strain on the engine.
3. Its not safe to run boost on stock internals...better to run w/ forged parts which would require tearing down the engine anyways. (Marty at KRC said even on 6psi boost on a stock engine he's torn down he's found cracked rings)
4. More fun to tell the person you just beat that its N/A and no power adder.
But you also make good points too Eric.
~Mike~
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kota on 20s
GenIII
3/27/2003
01:21:07
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good points mike.
i guess it just boils down to every thing has its pro's and con's. its just up to the owner of the truck (or car) to decide what he prefer's.
~Eric
Single cam, non-VTEC
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TurboGuy
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2003
07:59:44
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Ah the reason why the engine is so "choked" is the heads are the restriction. The KRC kit obviously "frees up" some hp. I can guarantee you that combined with a supercharger, bigger intake and ported head will net an easy 350hp at the wheels on pump gas.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
3/27/2003
11:52:20
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they are not THAT restricted, my friend runs a 13.56@99 mph on the stock heads and cam NA. there are a number of people in the 13s NA on the stock heads, and also a number of people in the LOW 13s and high 12s with the stock heads, but with one power adder
~Eric
Single cam, non-VTEC
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kota on 20s
GenIII
3/27/2003
11:52:22
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they are not THAT restricted, my friend runs a 13.56@99 mph on the stock heads and cam NA. there are a number of people in the 13s NA on the stock heads, and also a number of people in the LOW 13s and high 12s with the stock heads, but with one power adder
~Eric
Single cam, non-VTEC
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Notchlx
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2003
13:27:57
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Get the supercharger.
It cost the same as the Lightning Killer kit, however, once you have the supercharger on you can add the intake, throttle body, cam, headers, exhaust, heads, etc... later. By adding them later, you can buy one piece at a time, which will not put the strain on the wallet like shoveling out $4,000 in one pop.
The mods after the supercharger (even minimal mods) will enhance performance more than they would on a naturally aspirated engine.
Quote:4. More fun to tell the person you just beat that its N/A and no power adder.
Mike...Sure they are good points above, and this particular one may hold true for you, but...
I like the whine that gives the win, and when it's run whatchu brung, a win is a win.
I will end up adding intake, cams, heads, TB, headers/exhaust, etc... BUT what a great foudation to start from. Besides, adding the BOLT-ON blower looked more attractive than ripping into a 20,000 mile motor in my daily driver.
Big Waylon on DTO is pushing 375RWHP and 450RWTQ with a Vortech at 8psi, M-1 intake, 52MM TB, and headers. No probs with his head gaskets or stock internals yet.
I'm running 6-7psi on my stock internals, and driving it like I stole it everyday. No probs here either.
But like it was said before, it's up to the owner, and what the future plans for the vehicle are.
Have fun either way you go.
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Slomaro
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2003
16:52:53
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My dad's RT pinged--stock--until it finally gave up it's ghost. I faced a similar decision with my LT1. As luck would have it, I bought a used vortech, pcm and aftercooler and decided to go that route. Then I burned up the exhaust valves. Then I cracked some rings, all with 6 psi, changing the oil every 2500--in fact, the only thing that I didn't do to safegaurd the engine was to put in a set of forged slugs (which came later with a built 355, hi-po fuel system, hi po cooling system, hi-po racing exhaust system, and more tuning problems than I could shake a stick at--I finally got the car right and sold the damn thing to buy my house). Another example is my friend's 02 mustang--ATI procharger and again, ALL of the bolt on safegaurds that money can buy plus about 2k in tuning (too darn new). Just before he shipped over seas we had to go pick it up with a KNOCK-KNOCK that wasn't too darn funny. Anyhow, I totally agree that it is up to the end user (and I must admit that ALL of my '87-'92 5.0 friends had tremendous success and reliability out of their blown stock engines--the '93s and laters with their hypereutectic pistons didn't fare so well, however). I just basically want to offer these experiences to give someone more information on which to base that decision. Now, when I look at my friends' NA LT1 and LS1 cars putting over 100k on head and cam packages, I really wish I had stayed NA until the fat lady sang, then prepped the engine for boost. But, each to his/her own and I hope this helps.
B.J.
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MikeD
*R/T*
3/27/2003
17:24:06
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Thats why I don't plan on doing a blower for the simple reason I wanna get the most miles outta my truck plus have bad@ss HP. Sure bigger valve heads and a bigger cam will wear out faster than a stock engine will but it will definately last alot longer than a blown engine ever will.
Notchlx I guess its just a difference of opinion on the sound part lol. I prefer the lopey cam at a stop light than a whiney noise that sounds like your power steering pump is about to go out.
The compliments and looks I get alone are worth every penny.
~Mike~
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dkota_rt
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2003
17:33:25
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Another option is to buy the 380 horsepower Magnum 360 crate engine from Mopar for about $3500. If you have a Mopar parts friend you can get for the engine for under 3K. Thats about the price of a supercharger and you get a more reliable/ longer lasting engine with 0 miles.
Just an option to think about. My friend put that crate engine into a Gen 2 dak and he kicks A$$ on the street all day long........
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Joey
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2003
23:33:38
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Is the lightning killer package emmisions legal if i were to leave the precats and third cat on my truck? one person said no but then again why would they make a package like this if u cant even drive it around on the streets right?
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kota on 20s
GenIII
3/28/2003
01:42:21
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the 380 HP magnum is not a fuel injected engine, and will not work without some PCM mods
~Eric
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TurboGuy
Dodge Dakota
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3/28/2003
06:58:16
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Kota on 20s, while your friend running that fast is commendable, Ill bet you $500 he'd pickup another 1/2 sec et and 7mph ..easy with an M1 intake and a set of ported RT heads.
Plus your buddies truck is pretty lightweight, so compare apples to apples.
You're crazy if you dont think the heads are choking flow.
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b1llyw
DakotaEnthusiast
3/28/2003
07:26:03
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I've been down both roads. When you are on the boost, it's a serious rush. You really can't create that feeling when you go all motor. On the other hand, the blower is loud, makes your motor prone to detonation, puts a lot of stress on the motor, etc. Ideally, you'd want to go with a forged bottom end, good heads, cam, etc. with a blower setup. And if you're going to go to all that trouble, why get a blower in the first place?
I've owned my first and last blower. It's all motor for me now.
Bill White
2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 LSD
1995 CC 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 LSD
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kota on 20s
GenIII
3/28/2003
11:56:34
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turbo guy, he has a M1 already, and just about every other bolt-on.
also, how do you know what my buddy's truck weighs? its a RC RT. he takes out the spare, and removes the tailgate when racing, like most do. i think its a pretty fair comparison (from the thumbnail, it looks like Mike D is running the same body style)
~Eric
Single cam, non-VTEC
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kota on 20s
GenIII
3/28/2003
11:57:59
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turbo guy, he has a M1 already, and just about every other bolt-on.
also, how do you know what my buddy's truck weighs? its a RC RT. he takes out the spare, and removes the tailgate when racing, like most do. i think its a pretty fair comparison (from the thumbnail, it looks like Mike D is running the same body style)
~Eric
Single cam, non-VTEC
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MikeD
*R/T*
3/28/2003
12:14:59
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b1llyw, so you don't think you can get a rush from all motor huh...I'll take you for a little ride in my truck sometime...heh heh.
~Mike~
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b1llyw
DakotaEnthusiast
3/28/2003
12:25:29
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You can get an all motor rush, lol. The reason it feels better with a blower is that the blower kills all your low end throttle response. Blowers make lousy air intakes when they're not cranking boost. So, when the power comes on with a blower, it feels better by comparison.
Bill White
2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 LSD
1995 CC 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 LSD
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kota on 20s
GenIII
3/28/2003
12:28:24
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if anything the SC inhanced the lowend, and every other part of the powerband. definatly didnt take anything away.
~Eric
Single cam, non-VTEC
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j
GenIII
3/28/2003
12:33:37
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I sure didn't lose any low end throttle response.
Just the opposite.
2000 4.7 CC auto, clear corners, Magnaflow catback, Kenne Bell s/c.
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b1llyw
DakotaEnthusiast
3/28/2003
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Pick your own poison. I had a blower and didn't like it, but others do. All motor is more work and it intimidates some people. Coming from personal experience, I think it's better. Either way, at least you're not driving a Ferd or Chebby or god forbid, a Toylet. :)
Bill White
2002 QC 4x4, SLT , 4.7, 5 spd, 3.92 LSD
1995 CC 4x2, SLT, 318, 5 spd, 3.55 LSD
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kota on 20s
GenIII
3/28/2003
12:35:55
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LMAO!
~Eric
Single cam, non-VTEC
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MikeD
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3/28/2003
13:13:52
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I've ridden in a blown R/T...didn't impress me much...now a Lightning, that impressed me but hey its built for boost, our R/T's aren't.
~Mike~
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Joey
Dodge Dakota
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3/28/2003
16:44:42
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Does anyone know????? Is the lightning killer package emmisions legal if i were to leave the precats and third cat on my truck? one person said no but then again why would they make a package like this if u cant even drive it around on the streets right? Like most of u id rather not get a blower but i want to be able to drive the thing legally without taking the engine apart every 2 years.
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dakota31852
Dodge Dakota
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3/28/2003
17:37:31
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No way man, your gonna fail the sniffer with the lightning killer deal, but you might pass the scanner if your state does that... I dunno guys, what does the LK do as far as vacume goes?
TJ
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Rod
Dodge Dakota
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3/28/2003
22:20:32
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I think that your best bet is the new ATI intercooled
procharger set up. It has very low air intake temps, runs
more boost (safely), and puts out more power per PSI
then ne other supercharger. Also, A nice cam, and
some heads would make that truck very very quick. The
problem with superchargers is the hot air intake temps,
which in turn puts more stress on the engine, the ATI
should cure this problem. Also, when some more
money is available you can go with some forged
pistons, drop the compression to 8.0 or something and
run some really nice boost, Either way youll have a fast
truck, but do you want to be pretty fast or very fast? Go
with the supercharger.
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graphiteRT
R/T
3/29/2003
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Rod, do you have any before and after dyno numbers for this new ATI kit? I've seen the Ram 360 kit and wasn't impressed. The Dakota kit will have even bigger issues with the intercooler mount.
Cool air doesn't do you much good if the fuel system is lacking, which is what I saw on the Ram kit.
Bob
'01 Graphite CC R/T, MP headers, Magnaflow muffler into 'Cuda style exhaust, M1 2bbl, ported 2.02 R/T heads, custom grind cam, Crower SS rockers, Paxton Novi2000, Boyd's 20s w/Dunlop SP9000s, Featured in April '03 Sport Truck
Soon: Viper 4 wheel discs
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Joey
Dodge Dakota
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3/29/2003
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like wat would cause me to fail emmissions from the lightnening killer package if i left the cats on? would it be the cam, the heads, the pcm, or wat?
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