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Gary F
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3/17/2003
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Latest issue has a pair of reg cab Dakotas drag racing each other. It's a R/T vs. a SLT with the 4.7L. Both have automatics, although the SLT has 3.55 gears. Interesting outcome and pretty much what we've known all along. In 5 runs, the SLT beat the R/T every time.
Gary F
'01 reg cab 2wd, 4.7L, 5 spd, 3.92LS
15.065 @ 90 mph stock
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Billy
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3/17/2003
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Where can I find that magazine?
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Daktrep9298
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3/17/2003
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Any book store, I usually get mine from Barnes and Nobles, but for some reason not all B&N carry it. But most book stores should have it.
Later
Dan
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steve
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3/17/2003
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What kind of times were these trucks running?And also how can that be ? The SLT with 3.55 gears and also just a little less HP and torque? I smell somthing fishy here.
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Truth
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3/17/2003
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Sucks, don't it.
Mr. Hurts
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Gary F
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It's a good article and whether or not anyone believes it, is another story.
4.7:
15.68 @ 90.22
15.29 @ 90.54
15.41 @ 90.33
R/T
15.71 @ 91.36
16.05 @ 91.27
15.81 @ 90.98
They did mention that traction was a big problem, so things probably would have been different with slicks or some sort of street drag radial.
Looks like one advantage went to the 4.7 due to the transmission gearing. The R/T was also heavier. I believe the weight listed for the 4.7 (3,950 lbs) is correct as that is the exact weight of mine. The R/T porked in at 4,120 lbs. It's all in fun so I hope people keep it that way. Hopefully the R/T guys egos don't change that.
See ya at the track.
Gary F.
'01 reg cab 2wd, 4.7L, 5 spd, 3.92LS
15.065 @ 90 mph stock
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figitdotcom
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3/17/2003
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hmmm that's def interesting. I kinda wish my r/t was stock now so I could line it up with a bone stock 4.7 auto/manual.. man that's wild. In test driving I just felt the r/t pull much harder and handle better. Maybe it was r/t mythical brainwash hype but I don't regret a thing, good read though I'm gonna go pick up the mag for sure.
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Lello
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3/17/2003
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Gary............yes I'm sure you meant it as fun with you owning a 4.7 and describing the weight of the r/t as porky???? We can't see thru your words now can we????? But it's all in fun right??
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rtdkota
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3/17/2003
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Look at each of the runs-- the RT has higher MPH. That shows the greater HP. If these were run as is (16" wheel 4.7 vs. 17" wheel RT), the RSAs suck for traction at the track-- plus, they probably didn't air them down properly-- a seasoned RT owner (that races) would probably have run better times, even on the stock truck.
4.7L motor is a good setup-- just not a lot of mods for it other than TB, HO cams (which aren't that great on stock pistons), headers, and some exhaust mods--- Turbos and SCs are a rare breed on the 4.7s (for now)
Sam
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Gary F
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3/18/2003
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Lello...he he. Yeah, guess the "porky" slipped out.... OK, how about "slightly heavier"? Is that OK?
Yeah, the mph in the R/T shows that the power is there and just a case of not hooking up. All the article was is stock vs stock and no special drag racing tricks. Kinda like if you met up with the other on street. As for aftermarket parts availability, I suspect that as time goes on more and more will be available for the 4.7L as the 5.9L will no longer be made. Reminds me sort of like when the 5.0L in the Mustang went away and the 4.6L became commonplace.
Gary F.
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15.065 @ 90 mph stock
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Pittdawg
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3/18/2003
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rtdkota...sound a bit defensive, "if this, this and this happened, well then the r/t could win"..he..he
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Gary F
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3/18/2003
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rtdkota, heh, you think that the RS-A's suck for traction, you should try the stock Eagle LS that come on the Sport model. At least yours are a little bit wider. I can bark my tires going into 3rd!
Gary F.
'01 reg cab 2wd, 4.7L, 5 spd, 3.92LS
15.065 @ 90 mph stock
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rtdkota
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3/18/2003
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Yeah-- DC seems to pick some pretty weak tires-- With the RSAs on an RT though-- there's better handling, but not better drag racing with those things.
Most magazines have a impression the RT is a beast and like to put it up against vehicles that out class it (towing, racing (SC lightning), or carrying people). I haven't seen the mag yet, I am looking for it. The 4.7 comparison will probably be a good one--- 4.7 mileage vs. the 5.9L, etc.
I like the 4.7L-- Always have. After driving Duner's 4.7 (prior to Turbo) I really liked it (I had a NV3500 in my '95 5.2L Dakota-- remember, I've had 6 Dakotas, 3 RTs) If I could do it all over again-- 4.7L, RC, Automatic (for good reason--keep reading) Turbo charged--- But as it stands now, there's not a lot you can throw at the 4.7L to make it much faster (TB is available now, Cams are coming), plus 01s run into (some) the 95 mph speed limiter-- which is a no go in my book.
So, I am stuck with a RT-- and it's slow.
12.56 @ 110 on the bottle, 13.98@100 on the motor.
Sam
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.alex.
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3/18/2003
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I still like the part about going 14.5's @ 92 with only a few of the available 4.7 mods and then getting 20-21mpg on the way home from the track.
Heehee.....
http://www.dragtruk.com/ENTRIES/0F64H9L1P5IL.html
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DrewzR/T
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Well I'm not gonna start beef but a reg cab R/T high 15's and even a 16 second run! Yikes thats one slow azz R/T! Mine did 15.18 stock with everything on it! That one must have been built on a FRIDAY! lol. All in all though its all mopar to me so it doesnt matter!
If You Build It, They Will Lose!!
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Chris
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Traction is a BEATCH sometimes... My truck should be capable of a high 14 but due to traction last time out my best time was a 15.97... 2.55 60' time and pitching sideways into 3rd and into 4th if I short shifted it...
Chris
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Joe
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LOL! I have been saying this all along. How many people jumped down my throat when I said stock R/T's run mid-15's to low-16's stock? Wake up people. And now you're making excuses as to why the R/T lost FIVE TIMES OUT OF FIVE? Go ahead, get pissed off and flame me. It's not my fault your R/T is slow, but if it makes you feel better, go ahead.
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notchlx
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Before I was even looking for another Dakota, I said that I was going to get the 318 5-spd regular cab, if I got another one...I had plans to slap the heads, intake, and cam on it, then later add a supercharger...
Then the 4.7L popped up. To tell you the truth, mine felt like a pig on my first impression...BUT I took the thing to the drag-strip, and with only traction bars and 275-60-15's, I could bust off some 14 second time-slips. It feels like a pig, until you rev it out.
I always liked the torquey feeling of the 318 and the 5-spd. Sometimes I still wish I had gone that route, as I would prolly be going a whole lot faster now.
Both the 4.7L and 5.9L are good performers from factory, but I believe it was the stylish grandpa looks of my SLT that won me over when it came time to buy. 205-75-15 tires, jacked up like a 4x4, and the fake fog-light bumper gave it that certain "CURB" appeal... It screamed to me "SLEEPER".
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nathaniel
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This really seams funny to me. When I first got my Sport, '98, 5.2, auto, 3.55, CC, I beat my sisters boyfriends '01, 4.7, auto, 3.55, CC. This was before i had done anything to the truck. This was at 3 different stoplights!! You could make the arguement that his motor was not broken in I guess. But man I just pulled away from him. I am just not sure about that article. I know the 4.7 is nice but if you get the 5.9 to hook it will win. Every time hands down.
By the way. I just took out an RT. It had to be stock. I pulled up next to him merging on the highway and we both hit it. I just slowly pulled away from him. I about crapped!!!! And yes this was with out the N2O. It is not even filled now!!
Nathaniel
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Pittdawg
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jesus...accept defeat with some dignity and quite making excuses. Seriously though...although the 5.9 is an excellent motor it is ancient, the 4.7 is newer, lighter, and revs higher, stock to stock it is clear the 4.7 is faster...once mods are thrown on the 5.9 has more potential end of story.
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rtdkota
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3/18/2003
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Hey-- I was agreeing with your post-- LOL.
Still, I love it when I get a guy in a 03 RT with the stampede package-- and he pulls along side me and revs-- takes off in a blaze of smoke and gets me real good.
Then I pull alongside a the next light-- he's grinning--- I'm laughing---
I tighten my seatbelt-- and roll out the throttle and pace the guy--- then hammer into 2nd with a BARRRRK-- with the rear end ever so slightly giving a fish tail-- and pulling 5 truck lengths on him before I hit 70 mph----
:)
Auto 4.7s are fun too-- I did have a RC 4.7, auto try to keep up with me on the way to work one day. He did fairly well, but got a F grade on driving-- I only play when there's ZERO traffic around-- we came up on the morning rush, and I mellowed out, this guy was a Jerk.
Oh well-- get your 4.7L and get it to the track in Vegas next weekend and blow me out of the 1st round-- I want to sit out and drink anyway :) MOPARS at the STRIP March 28-30th...
Sam
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ya know i just read the article at the px during lunch and it made me laugh...
i ran a 15.31 bone stock (with about 3K miles) at 89.61 mph.
how did these magazine guys get such horrible times? i mean the 4.7L times are pretty crappy too, but it should have been a much closer run.
oh yah, and my 15.31 was with a 00 club cab, at hawaii raceway park
dizzam!
giusto
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I would love to see the times on a RC 4.7 with the 5-speed and 3.90 gears. I bet it would really burn a R/T. If you listen real close you can almost hear spanking noises.
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Hoss318
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The magazine should have done two things differently.....
1, switch drivers, the guy in the 4.7 could have gotten better times (hehe)
2, give the 4.7 the same rear end as the R/T.
I think it's funny how you R/T guys always give the "what if" scenario, when it's clear that the 4.7 rules on the track. Now, for neck-snapping torque and fun driving, the R/T all the way! Just depends on what you're looking for in a truck.
R/Trottmann
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steve
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3/18/2003
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I am not here to say that one is faster than the other just to say that my 01 cc r/t has ran a 15.24 at 90+ bone stock so the fellow in that article couldn't drive a stick up a dead dogs ass.I think even you 4.7 guys must admit those are rather frail times compared to most recorded before.My 03 feels like it should also run the low 15 sec times once it is broken in. And just for the record I have raced quite a few other non r/t Dakotas over the years and have yet to lose to a stock 4.7 auto (not even close!)
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Bombtech
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Hey guys, my R/T club cab in hot Phoenix (Duner knows me)ran 15.1 @90 and 2.3 60 ft times stock with 1200 miles when new. I now run (same conditions)a best of 13.9 @ 98 with mods(m-1,headers,flash,exhaust,TB,cold air,ignition,synthetics,2400 stall,shift kit and Nittos), my race weight is 4,440 lbs with me in it(150 lbs) and 1/4 tank of gas. I am not trying to add to the debate, just giving my info on my R/T, it seems to be in line with others info and also guys I know in Phoenix. I also think the 4.7 is a cool engine if used in the Dakota. I had a 4.7 ram for a while, it was good but definatly needed the 5.7(ram was to heavy), it is way better in the Dak. Later.
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Rosco
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Who bloody cares in the end. Are you happy with your vehicle??? Is your penis so small that you have to justify yourself so much??? I have had a 2000 4.7 rc 4x4 standard and now have a 2000 5.9 qc auto. Drove a 4.7 qc and was not impressed personally. I think that the 4.7 is a good running motor (my little 4.7 rc was quick for a 4x4) but I prefer the pull at the low end for the qc. Thants just me and some of you guys need to stop wanking off so much. You're going to go blind.
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rtdkota
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3/19/2003
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But ya see-- I'm married-- and well, you know.
:)
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Gary F
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I love this! Everyone is civil and it's nice to see that. I mentioned the mag article because it was interesting to read. Granted there are a million variables in any road test and we will probably never really know who is the faster. And does it really matter as long as we have fun trying to find out?
My competition is mainly the blue oval and bow tie boys anyway.
Gary F.
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JamR/T
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Who buys a R/T to keep it stock?
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Hoss318
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Come to think of it, are there any stock vs. stock races where the R/T wins? I'm talking same track, same day stuff, not "my R/T ran a 15.1 and I saw a 4.7 run a 15.8 once in Colorado".....
I know when my stock 4.7 5spd ran a 15.2 the stock R/Ts at the track same night never ran better than 15.6.
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