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paysonbadboy
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3/13/2003
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I was reading more about next years Lightning.
Very interesting. They are going to use a 500 HP supercharged all aluminum engine that is intercooled. But they are going to use some strange "SuperCooler" system that when enabled will use the trucks A/C to cool a tank of water to 30 degrees and then when you floor the truck it cools the incoming air so much it gives an additional 50 Horsepower or so and says it lasts 30 to 45 seconds and then takes another 2 min of normal driving to chill another tank of water for the intercooler. They say the effect is like the boost from nitrous except for it is re usable.
I wonder what kind of 1/4 mile times that 550 Horsepower will get?
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kicker01
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And it will have a T-56 6 speed!
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Hersbird
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And I'll beleive all that when I see it. Do you think they will really run a production motor with a 3 year or longer warranty on 20 pounds of boost? Of course a new Dodge Hemi with a similar supercharger running at a mere 8 pounds of boost makes 515 hp and the total package truck and supercharger could be bought for about $22,000 new with a few goodies. No 6 speed, or warranty in that case, but if you want all that and more just get a SRT-10.
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Jake
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Why do you guys on here keep telling yourselves that the new Hemi and the new srt10 can compete with the lightninig. Fact is they can't. All I ever hear about is how you paid less for your dakota and how you can use the extra money to make it faster. You can get an 03 lightning now for 28,500. My best friend just bought one. Im not bashing Dodge or you guys. I own an R/T and love it, but if I wanted a fast truck I darn sure wouldnt have bought my R/T. I see stock lightnings at the track run 13.7s and 13.8s all night long. Even with a supercharger I dont thing I could touch a lightning. Its also a known fact that a chip, slicks, exhaust, and cold air intake puts a lightning into the 12s. I read in motortrend a while back SVT said "we will take the backseat to no one" and I think they mean it. The srt10 with its 50,000 price tag won't touch the new lightning either, so stop lying to yourselves guys, you might actually start to believe yourselves.
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Jake
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Hersbird
I'd like to know where you can get a new Hemi with a supercharger for 22,000. This is what I'm talking about. Thats a bunch of crap. Try like 28,000+ for what your talking about. And even then I dont think you could compete with a 03 380hp lightning, not to mention the up and coming 500hp lightning. I dont know what you mean by goodies but if your talking leather and all that stuff were talking 30,000+.
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xplikt
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3/14/2003
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Jake, don't be a little prick.
You go to Dodge's site and build a basic RAM with the HEMI. www.dodge.com
How much is it? Even with some interior goodies.
Then, you buy a Kenne Bell supercharger July 2003 for probably around 4K -- 5K at the most.
Add the two together Einstein (it's his b-day today, btw) and what do you get?
I will say this, I do like the look of the new Lightning. It's a very slick truck. I like them, but not for 28K. I'd rather get an RX-8 or STi. The Lightning is not a god damn truck god. Just looks like you have a severe case of envy. Like several other people on this site. They really shouldn't have bought an R/T. They really should have gotten a Lightning.
Since people USUALLY, buy what fits them most, something must have kept you from buying one. Lets see, was it the fact it's MORE MONEY play a role in your decision?? More performance, more money. Hrm.
Where's your Lightning?
-Mike
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Ryan33
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3/14/2003
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LOL Jake you are an idiot. First off the lightning wont have 500 hp in 2004. And if it does it will be a piece of s*it becuase EVERYONE that owns one will be at the dealership becuase the thing will have blown gaskets all over the place. Second off are you seriosly joking when you say the SRT-10 wont be able to compete with the lightning??? How do you figure that? And for about 4-5k you could put the roe supercharger on the SRT-10 and be making close to 700hp with one mod. So Jake dont be an idiot how about you do some research on subjects before you open your idiodic mouth.
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3/14/2003
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xplikt....nice choice with the STI ; ) I would
rather drop another $1200 into my WRX and
be in the low 13's.
2003 WRX
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Smokey
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Any idea what the RX8 is supposed to run in the 1/4? Also, I can't seem to find the weight of it. It's a sharp looking car. I have been ready to trade the truck for a car for awhile now, but can't seem to find one I like. The RX8 may be it! The 350z is nice too.
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Jake
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xplikt
OK thats all well and good, now you go to the dealer and find a hemi on the lot for 22,000. Maybe you didnt read my post. I got an R/T because I like the truck, like I said before if I wanted a fast truck I would have gotten a lightning. Money wasn't an issue. You want to talk about envy? Why is there so much talk about lightnings on this DODGE DAKOTA web site, I didnt start this Lightning thread or all the other ones on here. Face it, Ford set the stakes high with the Lightning, maybe a little too high for Chevy and Dodge. I think Chevy has pretty much given up on competeing with the Lightning and after the srt10 falls on its face and dosen't sell(50,000 LOL) Dodge will probably come to their senses to. I knew my posts would get your guys panties all in a bunch, truth hurts don't it?
Ryan33
Is that your age because if it is your a loser. Maybe you should grow up and think of something more intelligent to say other than idiot. Kind of ignorant, all this name calling dont you think? I sense hostility, did bad Jake make fun of your little truck. Did you get picked on in high school? Oh wait, you were the kid who popped your pimples in class and called it a hobby. Am I right? Are you going to buy 50,000 truck and void the warranty with a supercharger.
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Joe
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Getting back on topic...
Here is a link to the SuperCooler article:
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=09433474
Pretty cool.
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MikeD
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3/14/2003
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D...howz the new WRX workin out? All those cars w/ boost are fun to tweak. :)
~Mike~
Get In...Sit Down...Shutup...& Hangon
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Demon Dakota
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3/14/2003
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D,
My 32 year old Bug will kick you cars as$ :)
I'm just messing with you man. I was an inch away from buying a WRX, but the salesman was a prick. He was literally trying to give the car away when I pulled out my certified funds for the car and tore them up in his face :) Needless to say, he's no longer at the dealership (his manager "happened" to be right across the way). Good pick on the WRX man...
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Hersbird
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Jake I just bought a Hemi Ram two weeks ago for $25,500 total out the door after tax, title, tags, everything. Mine is a almost fully loaded SLT Quad Cab model, I'm talking sport package, 20" wheels, etc. I could have gotten the basics (RC, Hemi, 3.92, LS) for about $17,000 if I wanted to, but hey you only live once you might as well add all the goodies (more content then is available in the Lightning for sure.) Nobody knows the SRT-10 pricing yet so it's hard to figure how it will compare, but you have no idea how much the new L will be either, I can bet it won't be less! Tho say that the Dodges will never compete with the Lightning is just short sighted and wrong. It has onlt been receintly that the L took the top spot. It used to be any old v-8 Dakota would easilly beat a L (for much less $$$)until finally they deceided to slap a supercharger on it. So they have held the top spot for a few years but that was more because they placed their truck into the top spot after Dodge wasn't due to refresh their trucks for some time and was going through the toothing pains of a takeover. Well Dodge is back now, the SRT-10 will be out, it will be faster. Even if it costs more, so what, that is the same argument the L croud has been using against the Dodges for years.
This is what $25,500 will get you in a Hemi Ram:
http://dodgetrucks.org/photopost/data/522110hersbirdram2-med.jpg
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azdak
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well one thing is for sure the lightning is fast and in reality it paved the way for hi-po trucks dodge had the express but you cant even compare the performance seperation in the two with out lightning dodge would have the r/t and supertrucks would only be what we could build from cataloges i would have got a ford but the dak was cheaper so i turbo'd the 4.7 and couldnt be happier
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ShortSport
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3/14/2003
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before the lighting thier was the typhoon,cyclone 280hp not a lighting killer but fast none the less
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Go hard or go home!!
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paysonbadboy
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Hey AzDak. Haven't seen you around in a while.
Anyway. I'm trying to figure how this guy says we can get a Hemi for $17k and $25k for a fully loaded quad cab when the 6 banger Dakota's cost 20k and the V8 Dakota Quad Cab cost near $27k to $29k loaded???
Hell, I was back at my Nissan dealer and their cheap Frontier Quad Cabs go for $20k to $24k!!!
Just to think I could buy a Quad Cab Hemi for $25k??? Oh... this must be a dream or total B.S.!!!
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paysonbadboy
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Hmm... I looked at that Dodge site and proiced a Ram Hemi and a Dakota. The Dakota with a 5.9 and basic options for a Quad Cab is $25k. The Quad Cab Hemi Ram 2500 is $25k as well. I was surprised at that. I wonder why they cost the same?
By the way, when I look on the car lots at the local dealers, the Dakota's as equipped are close to $30k. That is here in Arizona.
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Hersbird
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My MSRP sticker price was $31,360. Of course I don't think many would just plop down that much and walk out happy with a Hemi Ram. I paid $200 over invoice (they kept the Holdback and they added a $450 marketing fee.) That put the truck's price at about $28500. Then there is a $2500 rebate in my area on 1500 Rams, and I also got a $500 certificate form the Dodge website after I had signed up for some information. That put the price down to $25,500. Dakotas are less but not by huge amounts compared to the Rams, my point on why wait 3 years for a Hemi Dakota that may be almost as big as a Ram and cost almost as much when you can have a sweet Ram right now. If my Ram was a loaded Laramie 4x4 it would have pushed the price up another $5000 but $31,000 pretty much buys the most expensive 1500 Ram you can make (near invoice pricing after rebates.) The most expensive Dakota's are about $4000 less. The good thing about the Hemi option is that you can add it to any trim level from the vinal seat, grey grill ST work package, to the leather, decked out Laramie, in 2wd or 4wd, RC or QC, long or short bed. It costs all of $795 more then the 4.7 but also requires the $1,100 automatic. To bad Ford doesn't put the L motor in all of the F-150s for $795, or chevy it's 345 hp 6.0 in any silverado for an extra $795.
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xplikt
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3/14/2003
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Hey D, if in case you need any hookups or info on your Soobie, a firnd of mine is getting some great contacts for the WRX.
-Mike
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paysonbadboy
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So let me get this straight.
You CAN get the new Hemi in a RAM 1500? I haven't seen any options for it on the RAM1500 but just the RAM2500.
If I could get a loaded RAM 1500 Quad Cab with HEMI for around $25k out the door, I'd get one.
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paysonbadboy
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OK... I found the Hemi now listed with the HEMI as an option. Recently I looked and could not find it listed.
Anyway. A Quad Cab 1500 Short Wheel Base with Hemi shows as over $28k. Show me how you got one for approx $25k. I am actually interested in one except the latest gas prices makes them expensive to drive as compared to my cars.
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Truth
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I would take a $28,500 Lightning, running 13's STOCK WITH WARRANTEE, over a $24,000 R/T running 15's. 4k worth of mods on the R/T still won't keep up with the Lightning STOCK, and you can say goodbye to your warrantee too. There is just no comparison.
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Ryan33
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Are you seriously joking?? You dont think that 4k worth of mods will keep up with a lightning?? Change the cam, port the heads, and an M1 will be about 1k. Put the other 3k into a supercharger and you will definatly be keeping up with a lightning. Stock R/T's run anywhere from 14.7-15.3
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Hersbird
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Man I thought I pretty clearly explained how My loaded up Hemi cost me $25,500. Yes the sticker price was over $31,000 but the dealer has tons of profit at that price, they don't need to or expect to make that much on the sale. So I got it for $200 over invoice which still gives them $1000 in profit. That $200 over invoice was about $28,500. Go to www.kbb.com or www.edmunds.com or www.carpoint.com they all show what the invoice prices are on a Ram. Take that invoice add about $450 for advertising fees, and $200 for additional profit (keep in mind they still make more profit in the form a a dealer "holdback"). Anyway my truck was $28,500, but wait there's more. the current rebate in most areas on a 1500 Ram is $2,500, it may be only $2000 in some area's but big deal so my truck would have cost $26,000 then. There is another $500 rebate available to anyone who spends about $40 to join their local Farm Bureau, or Dodge gives out $500 off certificates to people who request inforamtion off the website every now and then. keep in mind you cannot combine multiple certificates like the $500 power days, with the $500 farm bureau, with a $500 college grad certificate. You can combine any one for those $500 rebates with the $2500 factory rebate, for a total of $3000 off my $28,500 wheeler/dealer price for a grand total of $25,500.
Now if you start with a stripper RC, ST model and add the Hemi, auto, and 3.92 posi, you end up after haggling and rebates with a Hemi truck that costs about $17,333. Now go out and buy yourself a set of 20's, a Kenne-belle, a full Hotchkis suspension, a cold air hood, a new stereo, a custom grill, and paint the bumpers. Bammo, a pretty damn sweet 515HP Ram for all of $26,000. Now you still have a few thousand more to play with before you get into 'L' pricing so you could have started with a quad cab or a heavily optioned RC in the first place. The beauty of that is you end up with a truck exactly as you wanted, not a truck the way the factory wanted to sell it.
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Daker777
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Actually the typhoon, and syclone were the first hipo trucks and suvs. And were and still are lightning killers. And where can you find a new L for 28,500? Used lightnings are 28k here. My r/t was like 19k out the door AND i can carry 5 people in it.
I comes down to the fact that r/ts will eventually be faster then an L because there is a much larger after market for them. Ls just dont have much of an after market. Dollar for dollar an R/t will easily run a lightning. Most rc r/ts with 2k in them can easily run mid to highish 13's NA. Actually go to a track and see whats going on before you diss on your own car, or talk about other cars.
Ls are nothing to joke around with, but they are not the king of the world.
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01 R/T
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I thought I would give my thoughts, this is just my experience, so please don't think I am flaming. I have an 01 CC R/T with about $2,800 in performance parts(M-1,F&B,headers,B&G flash,Exhaust,cold air K&N, ignition, Mopar high stall, shift kit and a few other things) and the best I could muster was a 14.4. This is with a 2.2 60 ft and in fairly warm weather. I bought my R/T for 26K, there wasn't any great deals back then like now. I really like the way it drives, sounds and feels, that being said, I bought a Harley Ford for under 31K and ran a 14.4 with under 2k miles in the same conditions as I ran the R/T. I did the research when looking for after market parts and found plenty,Razors edge, Johnny Lightning, JDM, Lighning Force, Power Surge just to nname a few. What I started with was a Lightning lower 6lb pully(good for 4lbs more of boost on the Harleys and 6 on the Lightnings(Lightnings have a smaller upper pully)), a Diablo chip( this alone was worth .6 off the 1/4) and a cold air kit, all this got me a best of a 13.3, here is the good news, I paid $600 for those three mods from razorsedgemotorsports.com. I drive the R/T as a daily driver but the Harley is really nice to take out on the weekends. I could of modded the R/T to be a screamer I suppose, but I only did what I did because I wasn't happy with the way it performed when I bought it. If it ran the way it runs now I may of left it stock, I also didn't want to get into Lightning price range with the R/T. I am happy with the Harley and may not mod any more(there really isn't much to do). Afriend really wants my R/T and I may sell it and see what Dodge does with the new Dakota(had an 02 Ram, would rather wait for the Dakota).Later.
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tweaked
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all i have to say about all this is whos stock is at 7 dollars a share right now? and how might be declaring bankruptcy? i think its ford, there having a might of trouble right now, and i would rather have a ram hemi and put super then a lightning anyday, because theres too many lightnings
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Truth
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Ryan,
Cam = $250
Lifters/Valve springs = $180
Port Heads = $700
M1 = $395
Gaskets and misc crap = at least $200
Left for supercharger = approx $2200
Good luck trying to find a supercharger/FMU/etc. for $2200. Goodbye warrantee, too. Even with those mods, and MUCH more than $4000, you would probably still be beat by a STOCK Lightning. No warrantee means the tranny you break, the rear end you destroy, and god knows what else breaks will not be replaced free. It doesn't take a genius to see which is a better buy/truck.
The stock RC Hemi's are running mid 15's. There are NO aftermarket parts available. They can't even get the supercharger to work on it. Even if they are finally able to tune the SC, the Hemi Ram will still be, at best, mid 14's. No thanks.
Mr. Hurts
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Mike 99 RT
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Sometimes I'm embarrassed to be a part of you Dodge guys. Ford isn't going to make a truck as wild as the one they were showcasing. A intercooler using the air conditioning. Maybe in 2030 that will be released by the factory! A lightning might run 13.8 in a perfect environment but in most parts of the country it is a 14 second truck. The SRT-10 is a high 13 second truck anywhere in my opinion. I spent 21,000 on my truck and spent about 2,000 on engine mods. I've added headers full exhaust and m1 intake maifold and ram air with keystone hood Mallory ignition with a little extras (150 shot of NOS) and I will KILL any year lightnig stock on the road or stip. So lightning owners suck it. I will NOT bow down like some of you sell outs. QUOTE" Oh my god lightnings are soooo fast and sooo kewl". LOSERS
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Deep Dak
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Truth & 01 R/T,
Here is my .02. I purchased my R/T for $14,000 and have invested $1000 or so in go fast parts. I recently went to the track and ran a 14.2 with street tires(sucky Dunlops), stock cam, stock exhaust manifolds & y-pipe and naturally aspirated (no no2 or supercharger for those who don't know). $15,000 for a low 14 second truck is not bad in my opinion! Here's what I find funny, when I purchased my used truck there was a used Lightning which was the same year and almost same mileage for $23,000. Neither truck had a warrantee.
You two would have probably purchased the L and spent 8K more for MAYBE 3 tenths. I've seen stock Ls(same year as my truck) run low 14s, anyone who spends enough time at the track knows this.
But for the sake of arguement, assume the stock L had 3 tenths on me, it should, IT'S SUPERCHARGED! I don't feel the least bit bad when my naturally aspirated truck loses to a supercharged truck. Heck, $500 worth of NX(50-125 shot) in my R/T would turn the tables and give the stock L a spanking. A small 50 shot would be enough to get my truck into the 13s for a grand total of $15,500! I don't about you two, but saving $7,500 and not having a truck that looks like a bubble is just what I need.
Eli
Oh, for those who doubt my times, Daker777 and Kota on 20s were there to witness my sweet runs. Poor mustang GT and riced out integra never had a chance. The GT left track after our run, guess he didn't like getting beat by 1.4 seconds. ;)
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