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David Emig
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3/09/2003
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I have a 2003 R/T with 3000 miles on it. The performance is crap. I knew it would be crap before I bought it, but had planned to build up the engine to make it act like it has balls. I was going to wait a while, but I hate driving a slow ass truck and plan to do it now. I have no intention of doing the "petty" crap (IAT, cold air, muffler, etc.), but plan to go all out. Do you think I should stroke the engine it has (402, won't need boring), or pull it, sell it, and stroke a used core (408)? Either way, it's getting stroked. It will be built w/low compression for a blower (paxton). Thanks for any ideas you can give me.
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David Emig
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3/09/2003
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Don't get me wrong now, I LOVE THIS TRUCK! I'm just used to running low 13's, and mid 15's just isn't going to cut it.
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CW
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3/09/2003
15:28:01
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If you get a blower and some heads you can make that engine that is in there really haul.
4.7 HO, CW style
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm TB, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" Z-tube, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat, Electric fan Convertion, HO cams, Robert shaw 180 therm, HO intake manifold.
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brianman
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3/09/2003
15:32:15
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make sure you get heads, the stockers are crap, aswell as get a new intake as it is crap too.it was designed for to narrow of a power range to be any good on the track. make it haul ass man. good luck.
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David Emig
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3/09/2003
16:21:45
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Thanks for the replies. I already have a set of reworked heads (w/2.02's) off of a 318. I also intend to use the M1, 1.7 RR's, and headers from that 318. It will be blown, so I plan to use forged pistons and rods so I can safely run more boost. Since I already have these parts, and plan to strengthen the entire bottom end anyway, should I just sell my 3000 mile stock 360 or use it?
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Demon Dakota
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3/09/2003
16:46:37
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Keep it and build a kick as$ N/A engine in case you need to pull the blown one. Did you mean that you have two blocks? Or just the one? If you've only got one block, keep it and rework it as required.
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14.52@94.2 MPH at Silver Dollar Raceway
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David Emig
Dodge Dakota
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3/09/2003
16:55:13
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I can probably get another block pretty cheap. I guess I could keep the engine that is in it now, but I would hate to have to store it for years. That is a good idea, though. Would be nice to be able to swap them out in case of one of those "oops, too much boost" problems. 8 hours downtime would be much better than 1 week+.
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Demon Dakota
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3/09/2003
19:11:32
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Damn skippy brother. If I blow mine up, I might as well get a Ram 1500 w/ HEMI...
K&N Drop in AF (CAI during summer months)
True Dual exhaust and removed third cat
HO Cams & HO Intake
FASTMAN 70mm TB
Autolite 3923 Plugs
TPS @ .76 VDC
IAT Adjuster Mod
14.52@94.2 MPH at Silver Dollar Raceway
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Black R/T
Dodge Dakota
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3/09/2003
21:17:25
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Well I am going to get this topic a little off subject here as it pisses me off to hear people say their stock performance sucks.
Sucks as compared to WHAT?
My R/T is still on order and I know I will be more than satisfied with the STOCK performance.
What did you expect?
Something running low 13's perhaps?
Let's get something straight on this board...
The STOCK performance of an R/T or for that matter the 4.7 based Daks is not crap.
Granted they wont beat the latest generation firebirds, Camaro's, Mustangs etc.... but did you expect a vehicle weighing 1,000+ Lbs more to?
Dodge did a great job building and promoting this truck, more than we can say for FORD or GM that offer no alternative in the mid sized trucks.
Lets be thankful for what DODGE has created here as an excellent street performer that can be made much much faster if the owners desire!
Sorry had to vent!
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slow r/t man
Dodge Dakota
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3/09/2003
21:42:49
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I have to say stock R/T power is pretty lame. 4.7s have been known to out-run them.
Face it, its a run of the mill low compression 360. they just could have done alot more with it.
R/T means something to me. But aparently not to dodge. My truck will live up to its name-sake even if I have to dump $4000$ in the motor. I think stock R/Ts give dodge a bad name. I worry I'll loose every time I race someone. Mine won't come back out of the garage untill its a 13 sec. all motor- CHEVY EATn' FORD SH*Tn' MACHINE
Now handeling theres another story, top notch
style kicks ass too.
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David Emig
Dodge Dakota
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3/09/2003
22:40:59
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Read my post again Black. I knew it would be slow when I bought it.
When you get your brand new R/T, and start getting beat by everyone that tries to race you (because they too know you are slow), come back and tell us how good the performance is. If your current/last vehicle was an S10 or similar, you will be very happy with its stock performance. Mine wasn't, and I'm not.
I agree with slow r/t man. They seriously detuned that 360. As for the looks and handling, nothing comes close. That is the reason I bought it. I can't wait to get the 408 finished. Everyone who knows that STOCK r/t's are slow and wants to race will be in for a big surprise.
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Black R/T
Dodge Dakota
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3/10/2003
09:14:26
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David i agree they are far from mind blowing performance ... but for a stock vehicle they are no slouch....
Like you i'm sure after a year or two I will spend the bucks and make her much quicker but for now I will just enjoy it the way it is...
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Texas Todd
Dodge Dakota
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3/10/2003
11:30:26
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David,
But, you could get a 'cat-back'!!!
J/K
Good luck with your r/t, sounds like it's going to be badass.
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Lello
Dodge Dakota
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3/10/2003
17:11:08
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to slow r/t and anyone else:
Remember, you will never, ever be the fastest. Someone out there will come along and be quicker. It never ends, you have to make that decision as to when it stops in terms of adding and adding money to it.
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Demon Dakota
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3/10/2003
19:51:58
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Hell, any hot rodder will continually strive and find new ways to get over the next "hump". Knowing there are faster trucks out there is what drives most of us! I want to be faster than the stock 99+ Mustang GT's in the 1/4 (and still be N/A) before I get blown. Then I'm shooting for Lightnings and other exceptionally quick modded vehicles.
K&N Drop in AF (CAI during summer months)
True Dual exhaust and removed third cat
HO Cams & HO Intake
FASTMAN 70mm TB
Autolite 3923 Plugs
TPS @ .76 VDC
IAT Adjuster Mod
14.52@94.2 MPH at Silver Dollar Raceway
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slow r/t man
Dodge Dakota
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3/10/2003
19:55:31
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I know I'll never be top dog, and am aware someone will beat me sooner or later BUT DAMN
I'm like the slowest performance vehicle out there
I want to beat a few v-8 cars/trucks. I am dead serious- any performance car/truck would eat my truck up and spit on it. If I can get in the 13s all motor I will be happy. Racing s-10s and winning does not count.
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99dakRT
Dodge Dakota
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3/10/2003
20:09:50
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hey guys-Im 18-and i just got my first car-99 dakota r/t-im happy with my truck-but when I raced a stupid little modified civic-i lost..made me so mad-so, im going to spend a little cash and get some power-any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
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David Emig
Dodge Dakota
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3/10/2003
20:18:07
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You hit 13's and you will almost NEVER lose on the street. Even most vettes/Z28's/etc that you will see are in the 14's.
Only time I ever lost (on the street) was when it was raining/slick. Seems like EVERYONE is up for a race in the rain...
100% stock 2003 Graphite R/T
Soon to add:
Cat-back, IAT adjuster, TPS mod, relocate IAC, 3923's, tailgate down ;-)
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David Emig
Dodge Dakota
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3/10/2003
20:36:43
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99Dak,
Do it right the first time. Don't waste your money on the small gain mods.
The engine needs either:
A: more compression
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B: boost
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C: needs to breathe
Either one you choose, A or B, will likely need new pistons. If you stick with stock boost, you can stick with the stock internals. But stock boost will not get you 13's. If you do tear it down, you might as well stroke it.
Another option is head work to raise compression. If you go this route, you will probably need to pull some timing to prevent detonation. Look at the April edition Hot Rod Mag for some good head tips ($1500 318 buildup, 400hp junkyard jewel).
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slow r/t man
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3/10/2003
22:01:46
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Ram Air Trans Ams run 13.20 BONE STOCK with sticky tires. My buddy has a 2000 with the 6 speed, I know I'll never beat him. We must all figure out a way to shave 1500lbs off our trucks!!!
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Lello
Dodge Dakota
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3/10/2003
22:49:17
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Good luck. You're comparing an actual 'truck' to a unibody car. We have a frame remember?? To the guy who lost to a civic......get used to it. The import market is stronger than anymarket from the distant past ever was........they're are soooo many parts available that it is quite easy to go quick on those.....they are light to start with. The key to a nice vehicle is not too noisy, but quick and at the same time, reliable too. If you can do this, you've succeeded. That's what's impressive on the street. The days of of difficult starting, poor idle, too much noise, and poor handling are long gone. Build it slow, build it right and keep it streetable so you don't get hassled, that's the trick.
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steve
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3/10/2003
22:51:38
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You hit the nail on the head there!Our trucks are way to heavy and that is what everyone has to remember.They say 100lbs is worth 10 hp or a 1/10 in the Quarter.Maybe we should look at the obvious a little closer?
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moparjoe20
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3/10/2003
22:53:51
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The biggest problem on these trucks is the chassis - Once you get it sorted out and do the basic bolt-on's they run pretty good.
One of the guys in my area thats the local R/T guru has a '99 RC R/T that runs 13.0's@102 with stock heads,cam ,shortblock and the usual bolt-on's and a well sorted out chassis - it's only putting down about 270hp at the wheels also.
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Lello
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3/10/2003
23:26:11
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Thanks MoparJoe, see, that's what I'm talking about. Work with what you have first and build it slow. Find out what works and what doesn't and in the process you will learn a hell of a lot.....more so than spending big bucks making some builder rich on the hopes that it runs well right away. If you don't learn first to understand, you won't know sh*t when it runs poor. Think about it.........Also, I've been there and done that, I went from 15 stang GT to mid-11 sec n/a stang over a few years....AND !! still streetable thru full exhaust with a little bored over 302 motor (306 c.i)
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Lello
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3/10/2003
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.........ooh, and what I said earlier about someone is always faster?? even a street mid eleven car will be beat sometime. Trust me, that's why I had my little baby blue bottle with remote opener in the back with 100 hp pills ( took me to 10.58 @132 mph in the 1/4 with dot M&H tires !! ) Now that's fun on the street....
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