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3/11/2003
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forced induction 4 cylinder motors benefit from
3" exhaust.
"hot air induction" the CAI that is made for the
WRX takes air from inside the fender well.
and to make it work even better you remove
the side marker lense. but like most dakotas,
the intakes for WRX's dont do jack except
make noise. a CIA isnt a performance mod,
more of a dress-up noise maker mod. and so
far, the only true cold air intake made for the
dakotas is nitrous steve's...every other one is
a "hot air intake" : ) Its kinda like blow off
valves...lots of noise and no performance
increase whatsoever.
2003 WRX
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paysonbadboy
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3/11/2003
22:40:15
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bakindak, that's my point exactly. That car having a true 350 HP and a V8 and all just has a 3 inch pipe. There is no need for a 3 inch pipe on a small 4 banger even with a stock turbo. It's stupid, noisy, and can actually make you slower.
I think I even saw someone on this forum mention to someone who "wanted their truck louder" to use 3 inch in and out cats and mufflers, but to drop down the pipe in between to 2 1/2 inches. That was to prevent POWER LOSS from the oversized pipe.
As far as cold air intakes go, my friend has a POS Beretta and we made ram air for it. It made a difference enough to beat my Cirrus and almost keep up to my stock Altima. By the way, my stock Altima kills 99% of the loud and abnoxious Ricers! I love it seing their faces when they lose, Cuz mine is stock!
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Matt
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3/11/2003
23:53:09
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FORST OF ALL...actually, a larger exhaust on ANY turbo will give large gains. Turbos, spool up faster and are more efficient with less backpressure. SECOND.. Blow off valves are not mady to increase HP in any way, they are made to release excess boost pressure the turbo builds up between shifts or when letting off the gas so you dont blow up your engine THIRD...yall are talking about Cold air intakes like they are a blower! They are at most going to give a 5-10 HP increase, same as a K&N for your trucks. ALSO... yall are racing trucks like they are race cars,probably shouldnt be done... Now I understand, most hondas are rice and are not fast and think stickers give 200 HP, but you have to understand that there are extremly fast 4 cylinders. I personally know of 4 people that have 4 bangers that run 11's and 12's in the 1/4 mile, all for less $$ then most v8's. I could go on all nite, Im not taking sides, I love trucks, but yall need to know all the facts b4 you bash other cars, trucks, or other vehicles. BTW, do you think an NSX is a ricer, after all... its a Honda, or an S2000, record setting 240 HP 4 Cyl. naturally asperated... yup honda also...
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bakindak
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3/12/2003
08:04:16
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I do have to say that you do argue a good case with the fact that yeah they have 240 hp n/a 4 bangers, and that yes they are fast, but the whole fuel economy thing I question, I mean those engines are doing somewhere around 12000 rpm I think, correct me if I am wrong, but a 4 banger at 12000 rpm is probably drawing damn near as much fuel as a v8 at 6000 rpm resulting in the same times on the quarter mile. So with this in mind and assuming that you probably have some money if you can afford an s2000, that if you thook that v8 and pushed it to 12000 rpm (scary thought) and then threw it into some junkyard car with lets say a powerglide you would have a vehicle that would probably do the 1/4 mile so damn fast you'd sh*t your pants. That is my thinking anyways too bad I dont have that kind of coin or I might just try it
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bakindak
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3/12/2003
08:04:26
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I do have to say that you do argue a good case with the fact that yeah they have 240 hp n/a 4 bangers, and that yes they are fast, but the whole fuel economy thing I question, I mean those engines are doing somewhere around 12000 rpm I think, correct me if I am wrong, but a 4 banger at 12000 rpm is probably drawing damn near as much fuel as a v8 at 6000 rpm resulting in the same times on the quarter mile. So with this in mind and assuming that you probably have some money if you can afford an s2000, that if you thook that v8 and pushed it to 12000 rpm (scary thought) and then threw it into some junkyard car with lets say a powerglide you would have a vehicle that would probably do the 1/4 mile so damn fast you'd sh*t your pants. That is my thinking anyways too bad I dont have that kind of coin or I might just try it
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oO_Rogue_Oo
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3/13/2003
00:42:05
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I agree with 01Motorsport I can't spot laughing. D I'd pay to see your WRX shoot a grapefruit 200 ft, I think you might have the makings of a new track event with that one. I'm going to run right out tomorrow and buy a 6" tip for my 2k 5.9 Durango and see if I can match 200 ft. On the serious side I've got an 03 4.7 cc DAK on order and am looking for a CAI for it, would love to hear more about Nitrous Steve's setup. So far the only thing I've been able to find on a CAI is modifying the stock airbox but I'd like to find a setup that that would give me a forced air effect that wouldn't change the outward apperance of my DAK.
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D
GenIII
3/13/2003
01:13:57
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do a search for nsperformance for his CIA I
think he still has a few on Ebay...and oh yeah,
my low 14 sec stock subie averages 25mpg
so selling the dak (I hate to say it) was the
best thing I could have done. I figured 95% of
the time I dont need a truck and when I need
one, I'll rent a U-haul pickup for the day and
beat the piss out of it.
2003 WRX
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paysonbadboy
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3/13/2003
09:11:01
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Yeah I heard that S2000 turns some serious RPM's. They kind of run like a crotch rocket. But I also hear they have near no torque at the lower RPM's. I wonder how long those engines will hold together running those RPM's on a daily basis? Who knows. Their too new to tell.
On the 3 inch pipe thing, maybe backpressure isn't much on a turbo since backpressure doesn't matter AFTER the turbo anyway. But too many people with stock N/A engines are installing rediculously large exhaust pipes just for the sound, yet actually hurt their power. Stupid. When I hear the ricer drive by me with one of those megaphone mufflers, I think they sound like absolute sh*t!
Hey, where did that guy go that said I stole my ricer pics??? I guess he researched and found out he was full of sh*t?
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Tom Byrne
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3/13/2003
10:49:51
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To the low 14 Subie owner. My wife owned a Subie and we loved it but the prices they want are stupid. I would much ratehr by the Neon SRT or even better buy a Turbo dyatona for $2k and but about $1500 into it and break into the 12's This is done alot by teh Shelby Dodge Guys.
As for me I am happy with my two SCCA cars (84 Charger and 99 Neon) Both are na/a and both run mid 15's when I take them done the quarter and my newly acquired 89 Shelby Dakota. Bot all three cars and modified two of them for less than the cost of the Subie.
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Matt
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3/13/2003
11:24:35
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FYI, the S2000 Turns a max of 9000 RPM's, which is still ungodly high for a car. But daily driving you arnt gonna get it above 5000. I worked at an Acura dealership and we had quite a few high milage S2K's in and they held togther quite well.:-)BTW, backpressure does matter after the turbo, it completly effects the whole thing, but im not gonna go into the physics of all of it. But ALSO, i would have to agree on the fact that the majority of imports with HUGE exhausts are way to loud and raspy. They sound like a weed-eater on steroids!
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GenIII
3/13/2003
20:06:48
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Tom Byrne...I got mine for 21,XXX all it takes is
a little persistence. it came with upgraded
speakers, boost guage etc. I think sticker was
26,XXX they only gave me 12,800 for my dak,
but I saw it the other day on a used car lot for
$13,999 so they barely, if any, made money
auctioning it.
for under $30,000 the WRX cant be touched.
one of the funnest cars I have ever driven...and
in the rain...dont get me started. I'm used to
spinning my tires at every stop sign this
sucker sticks like glue. after I get my
insurance settlement the ECM will get a nice
upgrade so I should be close to 290 HP at the
fly.
and a Neon is a Neon. nuff said, you couldnt
pay me to buy a Neon.
2003 WRX
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paysonbadboy
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3/13/2003
20:42:11
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Well knowing people who build and race nasty but streetable V8's, there is such a thing as TOO BIG of an exhaust pipe diameter. I guess it takes alot of practice to get it tuned for the best, but I know throwing on big pipes usually ONLY helps make more noise. I'd be more conserned with ridding of any RESTRICTIONS (flow) myself rather than how loud I could make it. Just look at how headers work. They make a big diff with out the restrictions of a manafold and have the scavaging effect, but lose the heat too fast compared to stock manafolds. That's where header wrap comes in handy ;-p
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woody
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3/14/2003
00:20:13
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Hey Guys,
I did not mean for this forum to go this far, but just to add wood to the fire: For those of you who said that I did not beat the honda by much, I forgot to mention that the engine did not even hit 5000 RPM. I could hear the loud(annoying) exhaust of the honda screaming like it was about to explode.
I do want to say that I know that there are a few fast hondas roaming the streets, but the cost to modify a 4 cylinder costs much more than a V8 to get the same speed in similiar vehicles.
Also do not forget that most hondas weigh much, much less than many vehicles with V8's. Ask any true racer and they will say that weight is a factor in any race.
Later
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TurboGuy
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3/14/2003
08:51:32
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Matt, get off the crack. Ideally ANY turbo does not benefit from back pressure...PERIOD!
I dont know what kind of physics you are talking about, but you should get a refund from your community college that taught you that crap.
Going to a larger exhaust is a trade off on some turbos. The weight of 2 vs 3 vs 4 pipe would be a deciding factor.
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paysonbadboy
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3/14/2003
20:39:25
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Well. To hopefully end the arguemt...
When I see any car with a tailpipe that steps up to 6 inches at the outlet, I KNOW the driver is an idiot! No intelligent person would think that sounds good. PERIOD!
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