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SLEEPER318
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5/09/2001
21:33:12
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Anyone out there running a Vortech or ATI Procharger on a gen lll Dakota with the 5.2L 318 motor????? I'm looking to see what kind of gains where achieved. Anyone know what i can do to solve the problem with my pcm???? i have a big cam and my truck will hardly run at idle. any advice will do. Thanks
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Jeff
Gen II
5/09/2001
22:00:41
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Vortec's website claims to add 89HP and 65lbs to the 5.2. I'm getting ready to buy one myself and trying to get a group buy together. If your interested, let us know at the Group Buys forum.
92 RC Sport 5.2 3.55 Auto
Mod'ed TB and intake, Flowmaster,
MOPAR PCM
15.118/89.27
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SLEEPER318
Gen III
5/09/2001
23:08:47
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Group buy would be great. The cheapest i could find for the 97+ 5.2L are $3100. Thats for the S-trim kit with satin finish. i'm planing on running around 11psi. I plan on buying one next month. Let me know what kind of deal you guys come up with. Its either the Vortech or Procharger kit.
98 rc, 3.92, Auto. Precision Industries Viper stall converter. Transgo shift kit, Custon ground Crower cam, Crower lifters, Crower push rods, Crane Roller Rockers, Double roller timing chain, Ported intake with cut runners, ported TB 52mm, CNC ported cast iron stock heads with 2.02 intake, 1.625 exhaust. Mopar headers with R/T y-pipe, true 2.5 inch duals with custom x-pipe,(2) Borla XR1 race mufflers, mopar pcm, MSD 6AL ignition, 8.5 MSD wires. Best of 13.68 @ 101.53
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Bernd
GenIII
5/09/2001
23:32:24
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Unless Alternative Automotive found some way to buy them at a price less than what Summit, Jegs, and some of the other big-hitters can...those are the wrong prices on their website. (Contacted three people who deal with Vortech on a regular basis and those prices are out of date according to the dealer price sheet.)
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged V6
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SLEEPER318
Gen III
5/09/2001
23:43:32
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I was told that the Procharger intercooled kit adds 120-130 rwhp. Vortech adds 89 rwhp. That a big difference. So are the Procharger numbers Bogus or what????? Anybody heard of these kind of numbers? I seen the R/T on Trucks with the Powerdyne, cat back, Headers and new injectors only added 60 rwhp. So if your going by the numbers i'd say Prochrger has them beat.
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Bernd
GenIII
5/10/2001
00:12:35
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I've heard similar and we actually installed an ATI ProCharger kit on a '99 R/T just a few months ago "Project ATI Supercharged R/T"...it feels almost the same as a Powerdyne @ 9# Boost (also installed one of them on another local '99 R/T as well).
The numbers are up more towards the 70-75RWHP range though.
I've installed Paxton, Powerdyne, Vortech, and ATI...out of all of them, the Powerdyne and Vortech were the easiest, the Paxton the most reliable (from the past experiences...seems to have slipped now), and the ATI was the worst on installation, instructions, and tuning. All of them run within a small percentage of each other.
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged V6
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Glen
GenIII
5/10/2001
01:45:27
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How does Kenne Bell stand in the middle of all of this. From what i understand they seem to be the 'best' out there, but then again, i've only been looking for a supercharger for a 4.7...
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
Gibson single catback. Z-tube
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Russ
GenIII
5/10/2001
07:06:44
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I wonder what the odds are of finding a dealer who would include a S/C as part of the deal(installed by a good shop) on a brand new truck, and warranty stay the same.It sounds to me like you could run a S/C in a every day driver??You would not have to change exhaust or intake??
2000 CC SLT 4X4 4.7 L-SLIP AUTO 3.55
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Bernd
GenIII
5/10/2001
10:32:15
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For the 4.7L, KB would be your #1 choice. They use a MAP/MAF system which works very well on the 4.7L's.
I know of two who alredy have the KB S/C on they're 4.7L and are (literally) tearing up the competition. :)
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged V6
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Glen
GenIII
5/10/2001
10:39:57
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Yeah, i talked to Bill, infact he called me at work. :) Cool guy, he's got me sold on the KB, my next step is getting the $4000+, I am planning on going to the bank to get a loan, but we'll see how that turns out.
"Hi i'd like to get a loan."
"might i ask what this is for?"
(proudly) "A Kenne Bell supercharger for my 5 month old dakota."
"Ok, how old are you?"
"21"
"NO. Thank you have a nice day."
Yep... i can see it now.............
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
Gibson single catback. Z-tube
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Jay
Unregistered
5/10/2001
11:05:11
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I was looking into a KB Supercharger too. I talked to Jim Bell, awsome guy. You can tell he know is stuff. What is the best price any one has seen for the 4.7L kit? I have been told $3950. How much should the install cost? I Live in Salt Lake City Utah and the closet install place is in colorado asking about $700. Also until I can get my hands on the butt load of cash its going to take, what are other mods that will help my SC (cat-back, etc)? Thanks!
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Glen
GenIII
5/10/2001
11:08:23
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I havnt looked into the cost of installation. I talked to bill, and he said i should be able to do it my self, it has a really good manual and all the parts are there. He said there are a few steps that seem out of order, but nothing to major. I want one so bad......... i feel like a little kid again. :)
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
Gibson single catback. Z-tube
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Jay
Unregistered
5/10/2001
11:32:31
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just for my own info..... who is Bill?
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Bernd
GenIII
5/10/2001
11:35:37
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I believe the Bill you're referring to also goes by: SEMIHEMI on the DML.
Really nice guy and owna a 4.7L w/Kenne Bell installed.
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged V6
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Glen
GenIII
5/10/2001
11:36:19
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I think he normaly goes by Semihemi01.
This is his web page addy: http://hometown.aol.com/semihemi01
Cool guy...
'01, CC, SLT, 4.7, Auto, 3.55 LS
Gibson single catback. Z-tube
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SLEEPER318
Gen III
5/10/2001
19:54:37
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Bernd, Out of all the brands you have delt with, which one will give me the most performance. Price doesn't matter. I'm looking to get the biggest gains I can get. I'm talking rwhp here. I"ve looked at all the brands, Vortech, Powerdyne, Paxton, Kenne Bell, and ATI Procharger.The only reason I like the Procharger is that its intercooled. I seen Jack Yates added a custon aftercooler from the Ls1 on his vortech S-Trim. Its a pretty Sweet set-up. It ran him around 4600 for the total kit. Versus ATI kit for 4200. There a big defference between prices. He's only running 10 psi with the cooler. He said it wasn't really a huge difference. So, should be go intercooled or not???
98,RC,Auto,5.2L All the extras in performance but the blower
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Bernd
GenIII
5/11/2001
04:29:30
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I haven't installed/tested/run a Kenne Bell so I can't say anything about them except for what I hear from actual users.
As for the ATI/Powerdyne/Vortech/Paxton S/C's (all which I have installed and "played around with"), they all come very close to one another.
The intercooler is a nice addition to any supercharger but not always required. (Mustang crowd actually remove them and have shown no losses.) On the Dakota's, if your truck is lowered...the ATI Intercooler is dangerously close to the ground and can be torn off if you're not careful with the potholes and speedbumps (get's expensive to replace). Powerdyne is the quietest of the bunch and I personally haven't had any mechanical problems with mine at all. (Pulley issue but that wasn't related to the blower.) The Vortech SQ Series (Quiet) and the Paxtons both perform very well but there has been some complaints about the Paxton S/C's recently due to QA.
Every blower will have their "black eyes" (bad blowers) and those issues are always brought up before anyone posts the good experiences.
Personally, between the ATI, Vortech, and Powerdyne...that would be my choice now. Your budjet is the deciding factor though.
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged V6
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Jay
Unregistered
5/11/2001
16:43:58
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Bernd: if money was not a factor, would you use the Kenne Bell SC for the 4.7L? I know its more $$ but it will produce full boost at 2000 RPM, the others (being centrifugal (sp?)) will only put out 1-2 LBS at the same speed.
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Bernd
GenIII
5/11/2001
18:39:17
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If money wasn't a factor...yes I would.
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged V6
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Jay
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5/14/2001
17:01:12
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Thanks Benrd, as always your very helpfull
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Russ
Unregistered
5/15/2001
21:59:04
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Have you guys seen the may issue of sport truck(Quad Cammer).Kenne Bell built there own 2000 quad cab.They got 325 hp 411 ft-lbs/ 14.4sec 94 mph/3.55 auto/268 rwhp/. I htink dual exhuast is only other performance mod.I wonder how loud whining noise is and how s/c work in cold weather???
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Bernd
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5/16/2001
01:41:19
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Worked just fine in the 28-30 degree winter for me. :)
Just run lighter oil in the winter (5w30) and switch to 10w30 - 15w50 for the summer months. No performance advantage for the blower...but it does help the engine.
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Jay
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5/17/2001
00:08:48
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Hey Russ, was the Kenne Bell Dakota in the may
issue of sport truck? I looked for it last month
but did not see it. Am I blind or could you have
mixed the month up? Thanks.
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Russ
Unregistered
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5/18/2001
16:06:57
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Jay - Yes it is in may sport truck page 104,it is a really great looking Dak.Try www.sporttruck.com.There is a lightning on the cover.
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snowman
GenIII
2/24/2003
19:02:12
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has anyone installed the kennebell supercharger? WHat kind of milage do you get?
Formerly Cadetdak
"This war will end at a time and place of our choosing"
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98Durango5.9
Dodge Dakota
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2/24/2003
21:33:21
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What are the specs on your cam sleeper318?
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j
GenIII
2/24/2003
21:45:59
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I get around 15mpg depending on how I drive.
2000 4.7 CC auto, clear corners, Magnaflow catback, Kenne Bell s/c.
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christian86
Dodge Dakota
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2/26/2003
22:26:03
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hey, guys i was wondering ...what would be the best mod/mods for a 5.2 liter 5 speed...
You know how KRC has a lightning killer package?...well, i was wondering if there's a cheap mod kit for a 5.2?If you have any info on the best mods for a 5.2 ,or any mod kits please let me know! thank you guys for your time!
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