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carolinakota
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2/15/2003
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I starting to plan a 5.9L swap into my 2002 V6. I was just wondering if I should plan on swapping the tranny and rear end, or would the drivetrain I have hold up. I'll probably swap the rear end sooner or later with something beefier and a limited slip. Also, if I need to get a new tranny, what other vehicles come with the 46RE ?? Any info is appreciated.
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KovzR6
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2/15/2003
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in a 2002????????
why not just trade it in for a dak with a 360 in it? it would be cheaper IMO
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CThomp
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2/15/2003
18:10:54
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The 5.9L makes way to much torque for the V6 drive train. If you want to be very custom you could go to keisler automotive's web site and look into a T-56 6spd conversion. You'll need a larger radiator probably and a tougher rear end. Probably a 9.25 rear with an LSD and some 3.92 gears.
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FazDak
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2/16/2003
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Most of you may or may not know this but they put 8 1/4's behind 340's and 360's in 73 and 74 so I thinks its safe to say they can chandle a mild 360mag.
Also, the 42re is based off of the 904. A 904 with the proper parts inside can easily handle what a mild 360mag can put out and as a matter of fact if you want the fastest combination possible use the smallest lightest parts (A500, 42re or 904) to get the lightest possible reciprocating mass and you will be faster.
Hell a PowerGlide was NEVER meant to be behind a big block Chevy but thats the bracket racers choice (in street classes).
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Lesley
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2/16/2003
19:03:43
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I'm keeping mine (for now). Talk to Wayne at APS precision (apsprecision.com) about a torque converter that will hook the 360 up to the 42RE tranny. I bought 3.92s but they are 8.25". I've been told by long time racing guys that unless I drive the "snot" out of it, I should be okay.
97 3.9 CC Sport. JBA stainless headers, Borla Turbo XL stainless muffler & tip, 17 x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothies, FMS injectors, V8 TB, Quick D intake, Have: 5.9 litre 360, posi, 3.92s, Ordered:M1, 52mm billet TB, ceramic JBAs.
, KRC cam, mopar perf valve covers & air cleaner
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FazDak
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2/16/2003
21:33:27
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Another bit of advice for you folks.
You DO NOT need a special converter, you can reweld the weights on your 6 coverter, MP sells a kit with the template.
You will also get a pretty decent stall because the 6 converter will stall out higher with the added HP and TQ from an 8.
Keep in mind that this is for mild aplications only, you start getting wild with S/C's and N2O and all and you may grenade it.
I had a friend who had a very hot roller cam 340 in a mid 80's SB Dodge p/u, he had 225 shot of N2O and he was running a 904 (rebuilt with good components of course) and a slant six 904 converter for the higher stall.
That combo lasted him a whole racing season untill he finally dropped a BB in it.
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NYSubDak
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2/16/2003
21:59:02
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Generated torque is limited to available traction. Once the wheels break loose, torque goes to hell! A v6 truck spinning its wheels isn't generating any more torque than the same truck with a 360 spinning it's wheels. If you already have the same problems that I have breaking loose with my v6, then you won't be generating peak torque or hp often, least not without some r/t class rubber. The place where your drivetrain is going to be in trouble is on launches with good "hookup". The better the "hookup", the more torque you put to the ground. So, really, it depends what you do with your truck. There's guys on here with modded 4.7's with 5-spd's that have had no problems. And, the 5-spd in the 4.7 trucks is the same as the 3.9 trucks, NV3500. I say run it til it breaks, then you'll know!
Wade
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carolinakota
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2/16/2003
22:06:40
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Hey thanks for the info. I am eventually planning to swap in a new tranny and rear end, but I just want to get this motor rebuilt and out of my garage. So aside from the torque converter, I shouldn't have any problems with things bolting up ?? Also does anyone know where I can get a 46RE without finding a wrecked R/T ??
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carolinakota
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2/16/2003
22:22:05
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Hey NYSubDak, I WISH I had that problem. Then I wouldn't have the urge to drop in a 360 !!! Man I miss spinning the tires from a dead stop with my old 5-speed :)
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Carter
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2/17/2003
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actually the v6 trucks carry AX-15s and the v8s carry NV3500s. I put a pretty decent 318 in my Dakota with the v6 AX-15 and its holding up good. Don't think it would take slicks but for street I like it
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slopehead
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2/17/2003
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to simply ans. the original Q NO. there is a reason that the V6 and V8 trannies are different.years ago I usta watch guys do heavy mods on a V8 and then wonder why the tranny was in pcs. on the street a day or two later. Same thing applies here. Can you do it ? yes. Would anyone but an idiot actually do it? No
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Jason Teague
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2/17/2003
23:03:41
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I have had a 360 in front of an A500 and a 8 1/4 for a couple months now without any problems in my 93 4x4 Dak. I did however, put a shift kit in the trans and put a larger trans cooler at the same time I did the swap. I am still using the 3.9 converter without problems. The trans bangs hard in all the gears when it shifts and shows no signs of giving up anytime soon. As far as a 46re, a durango or a fullsize pick-up trans will work just the same.
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carolinakota
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2/17/2003
23:25:00
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Cool, thanks man. Do you think a shift kit in my 42re would help or hurt. Won't do it, just curious. Seems to me like it wouldn't help.
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NYSubDak
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2/18/2003
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Carter,
My manual for my 2000 4x4 cc says NV3500 for 4.7 and 3.9. I believe it said NV2500 for 4 cyl, or something other than NV3500. Think about it, the peak torque on the 3.9 is in the mid-200's.
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vern cyr
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2/18/2003
18:52:28
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your trans. will work just fine,but if your in douht go to smr trans.com they build a500,s for hemi,s and convertors for the a500,s.get auburn posi for your 8.25,the ring and pinion are strong.good luck with your swap!!!!!!!
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carolinakota
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2/19/2003
13:23:02
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So the A500, 42re and 904 trannies are all pretty much the same ?? Just curious, what are the differences ??
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Kowalski
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2/19/2003
16:07:28
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904 is the original light duty 3 speed that the 42re 4 speed auto is based on (46re is based on the heavier duty 727 3speed auto). Trust FazDak when he tells you a well built lighter duty tranny is the hot ticket; probably about 5% less parasitic loss than the heavier duty models. Good luck !
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Lesley
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2/19/2003
16:13:00
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Fazdak - can you tell me more about the torq
converter? That's the first time I've heard that -
everyone has been telling me that it MUST be
upgraded.
97 3.9 CC Sport. JBA stainless headers, Borla Turbo XL stainless muffler & tip, 17 x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothies, FMS injectors, V8 TB, Quick D intake, Waiting for install $$: 5.9 litre 360, posi, 3.92s, M1, 52mm billet TB, ceramic JBAs. , KRC cam, mopar perf valve covers & air cleaner
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carolinakota
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2/19/2003
18:45:02
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Me too. Do you have any more info about that kit you were talking about ?? Also, would it still be streetable with the higher stall of the V6 converter ??
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FazDak
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2/19/2003
20:38:38
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Lesley and carolina, Im at the office at the moment. Tonight I will gather up part #;s and post em here for you. One of these part #'s I have installed myself and can tell you they work.
Just remeber though, a V6 converter does not have as heavy as parts inside as the V8 ones do. I have noticed that 6 converters lend themselfs well to high HP at high RPM engines more than high torque aplications.
Like I said, they should be able to handle a "mild 360"
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carolinakota
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2/24/2003
23:44:41
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Hey FazDak, did you ever get those part numbers ?? I am very interested in the kit you were talking about.
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notchlx
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2/25/2003
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CarolinaKota....
Change of subject, but where are you in Carolina? North or South Carolina?
I'm in North Augusta SC.
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CarolinaKota
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2/25/2003
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I'm in Charlotte. Born and raised.
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notchlx
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2/25/2003
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Cool Man,
I've got family in Mooresville. I'm up there a pretty good bit. There are several other Dakota and Ram owners up there that post in here or in the other forums. We sometimes meet up at the Mooresville Dragstrip.
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CarolinaKota
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2/25/2003
17:46:21
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That's cool. I've only been up to the strip once. Didn't run though. Once I get the 360 in, I should be up there quite a bit :)
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DAHEMIKOTA
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2/25/2003
18:11:13
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Magnum 360 balance weight and positioning template package P5249843 $17.50. Page 135, Mopar Performance Catalog # P5007400 ....Dan
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