| From | Message |
Jim
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/28/2003
16:47:31
|
 Subject: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
I have a 2000 R/T CC and my question is where should I be for hp with these mods and what kind of quarter mile times should I see? Gibson headers, Gibson Cat-Back, No Cat., K&N GEN II Cold Air Intake, 180 Thermo, Mopar PCM,. What do you guys think??
|
Anthony G
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/28/2003
17:16:19
|  RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
15.4@88mph AVG.
Depends on weather and location for increase or decreased times.
|
Jared
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/28/2003
17:54:59
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
I would just buy a 4.7 5spd if I were you. Much faster, and a lot more potential than the r/t.
|
slow r/t man
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/28/2003
18:36:08
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
a 4.7 has more potential? than a 360????
what are you smokin'? that 360 has the "potential" to be a 408. what can a 4.7 be buit into? Nothing.
|
Jim
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/28/2003
18:45:55
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
I already own the r/t and I already have the mods on the truck I just havent had a chance to run it or get it on a dyno. When I first bought it last year I just put the cat back system K&N Intake and no cat. and I turned a 15.6 in the 1/4 mile. I wanted to know what type of gains I should see this year with the headers and mopar pcm???
|
Jared
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/28/2003
19:17:57
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
The 4.7 is too new, but in the near future the 360(which it already is) will be very outdated. Eventually the 4.7 will have more mods (strokers and what not) and will be more powerful and lighter than than the 360. And it has a 5spd.
|
moparjoe20
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/28/2003
21:55:12
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
Jim , Go for the Mopar headers or wait another month or 2 for the Hedmans. The Gibson cat back should be Ok as long as it's 3". Everything else looks good and you should also consider getting an M1 2 barrel intake.
On my '99 with a 318/A500/3.55's I went from 180hp to 214 hp at the wheels with an M1 , Edelbrock headers (early ones- mid length 4 into 1 with a 2 1/2" Y pipe) 3" exhaust with no cat and a Flowmaster ,180 T-stat, and a 14x3 open air cleaner. I'm still using a stock PCM and TB.
|
jake
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/28/2003
22:05:10
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
jim...u should be seeing high 14's easy. stock cc r/t will do low 15's....ive seen 2 do 14.9's on a good track and good weather. dyno will be right around 235 rwhp.
as for the 4.7 i have yet to see some potential in them and they have been out for a while. guys add the "hi po" cams and headers and a few other things and get about 230 to the wheels...no timmpressive to me...and u CAN mate the 5 speed to the 360..its just not worth the 2-3% hp gain u will get
|
slow r/t man
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/28/2003
22:22:53
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
Jared
The 360 has been outdated for a very, very long time, I cannot argue that. It is a dinasaur when compaired to the Mercedes-Benz designed 4.7
But then again so is a 426 hemi. It does not make it a better motor, it's just at a higher level of development. I would love to see a factory bored and stroked 4.7 but how much can this little engine grow?? maybe a new .060 over bore size?
A larger crank must physically fit into the block. How much room is in their? You may get 50 more cui's if your real lucky. I say the 360 has more "potential" If any kind of money was to be spent. A 340 block would be better yet because of its larger bores.
I've driven 4.7 Dakotas and have been very impressed. hopfully I will be driving a 408 Dakota soon
|
Buddy Jones
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/28/2003
23:06:22
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
You should see about 330 max at the crank.As for your time, I would say at best a 14.7.
|
moparjoe20
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/28/2003
23:06:50
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
I'll add my 2 cents about the 4.7 - one of my friends runs an '02 reg cab 4.7/auto/3.55's - he has HO cams and intake , a Z-tube and a Pacesetter cat-back - he was on the Dyno about 1/2 an hour after me and put down 208hp and about 20 ft/lb less torque.
I usually run 9.60's@73mph in the 1/8 and he usually runs 9.90's@71mph in the 1/8 , my Club Cab weighs 4300# and his Reg Cab weighs 3800#.
|
Buddy Jones
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/28/2003
23:08:37
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
Oh, and the 5.9 has more potential than the 4.7, and is quicker factory than the 4.7 factory.If it wasn't then why would the 5.9 be the top engine choice over the 4.7 anyways?
|
99dakota
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/29/2003
09:35:40
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
my 99 4x4cc 5.2l 5 speed ran a 15.6@92mph stock w/ alot of wheelspin I had allterrian tires and an open diff I couldn't launch it without spinning wildly it was also getting bad wheelhop. I am going to ad a powertrax lockright I added spring clamps and fixed the wheelhop. I also have a 360 air intakez edelbrock shorty headers and a flowmaster 3" single msd wires ngk plugs i'll proubly also have a TB and a hypertec PP3 by then too and I'm hoping for low 15s or high 14s. On my 4x4 tires. We'll see I can't wait for spring
|
dakotaman4dr
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/29/2003
12:07:26
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
I have a 01 quad cab with the 4.7lt and it turned a 15.7 at 84mph with a lot of wheel spin, open differential magnaflow exahust. I figure if I get rid of the open dif, add an air intake, 180 thermo, remove the clutch fan, port the tb, and loose the third cat, grab a set of sticky tires, and throw a 75 to 100 shot of nos, I'll be in the way low 14's or high 13's. Those times wouldn't be bad at all for a little 4.7lt in a heavy quad cab.
no back to the subject, Jim, your 1/4 times would be based on the track your racing and weather as anthony said. Here in Houston you would probably turn a 14.4 to 14.6 maybe even a little lower providing it's a pretty cold day with really low humidity
just my 2 cents
|
Anthony G
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/29/2003
12:39:27
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
If 15.7@84 is what you did, then until you put down low 14's don't assume it can be done without much effort. If you had wheelspin then sure your 1/4 time would be higher but you trap speed shows how much power it really has. Your lucky you got 15.7 with only a 84 mph trap speed. It might of even helped your time by keeping you in you power band rather than bogging you down with lots of grip.
Hell I'm hitting 80+ mph in 9 seconds :) but I have a RC 5.9 with some internal mods. It's harder than you think hitting 14's let alone 13's with a heavy brick. No I'm no at sea level either.
|
Anthony G
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/29/2003
12:41:50
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
Ops I didn't see the added NOS part :) reading to fast, I thought you meant you could do 13's with those few bolts and tricks.
|
Demon Dakota
DakotaEnthusiast
1/29/2003
12:45:02
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
My mods and time speaks for itself. The 4.7L can be modded easily and can get good gains. Ad for the 4.7L being a Benz design, well, that's just BS. The engine was operating before the merger, ya moron! The 4.7L 287 CID engine could have a maximum displacement of 330 CID or so with bore and stroking. It would be well above the 5.9L 360 CID in horsepower, torque, and fuel economy. All that at a lighter weight. The 4.7L and the 5.9L comparisons are like trying to compare apples and oranges, and the argument is getting old. The potential is there for both engines. If you want to compare correctly, use the 5.2L and the 4.7L. The 5.9L should be compared to the 5.7L HEMI, and there is no comparison there.
K&N Drop in AF
True Dual exhaust and removed third cat
HO Cams & HO Intake
Modified TB
Autolite 3923 Plugs
TPS @ .76 VDC
IAT Adjuster Mod
14.52@94.2 MPH at Silver Dollar Raceway
|
dakotaman4dr
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/29/2003
13:06:46
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
no, I know with the brick I'm driven I'm gonna have to spay or bolt up a super charger to hit in the 13's :)
|
Slow R/T Man
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/29/2003
20:41:13
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
So what if the 4.7 was operating before the merger. What does that have to do with it. McClairen Honda designed the turbo Grand National motors. They are not merged with GM. In 2010 Ford and GM plan on producing a 6 speed automatic that they will BOTH use in front wheel drive cars, Are they merged? NO And I would love to know how a smaller motor could produce more torque
than one thats bigger by 100 cubes. Following that logic I guess I'd put a neon motor in my CC Dakota. Its really light weight. So you put some bolt-ons on a 4.7 and it runs 14s, big deal. and the compair thing-- a 5.2 and 5.9 are just about f*cking identicle. How could a 5.2 vs a 4.7 be more acurate? Apples to Apples would be the 4.7 vs the new hemi. But like I always say, Don't argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
|
Buddy Jones
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/29/2003
20:56:43
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
Ok moron, the 5.9 will beat the 4.7, and are not identical to the 5.2.The R/T will beat the 4.7 by about .1-.3 tenths depending on the driver, unless the dude in the R/T just doesn't know how to race.The R/T reg. cab will beat the new Hemi in 0-60 by .9, but lost in the 1/4 by .2 tenths.
|
slow r/t man
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/29/2003
22:25:32
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
I said just about identicle, they share the same throttle body, intake, fuel injectors,heads, cam, rods, timing cover, timing chain, water pump, oil pump, same external accesories. about the only thing different about them is this: 318 has 3.91 bore and 3.31 stroke 360 has 4.00 bore and 3.58 stroke.
|
Anthony G
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/30/2003
09:18:37
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
The 5.2L cam might be a tad bigger :) But yea a 5.2L is just about the same as the 5.9L just as the 3.9L is a 5.2L with two less cylinders.
|
IntenseDak39
*GenIII*
1/30/2003
10:11:09
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
how come everytime someone mentions "RT", someone else has to start with 4.7 comments?
"Eventually the 4.7 will have more mods"
just to let you know.. the 360 has 40 years of R&D over the 4.7. I am sure that there will always be more parts available for it. Remember, the 360 isnt discontinued yet... either is the 5.2 for that matter (still available in the full size van).
You can add whatever you want to each motor but nothing will beat the 360's displacement. Like mention above... stroker kits.
Turbocharged V6
|
Chip
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/30/2003
11:18:21
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
I have an old Dodge engine (6.9L) that has been kicking around in one form or another since the early '50s...no OHC, regular old cast iron block & heads, heck, it's even got a couple old carbs, not even injection...witha few BASIC tweaks here & there, still NA, it wheezes out 513 streetable RWHP...apparently, with the right mods, it can push out approx. 5000HP+ Not bad for an old tech pushrod engine, huh? :D
My point? No substitute for displacement.
http://www.cardomain.com/id/ofelas
|
Anthony G
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/30/2003
11:46:21
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
Until we move away from internal combustion engines, bigger will always be better if the same technology is used in most cases.
One day we will be comparing what turn or electric powered engines have and how fast they can spin (14k+) or air powered with psi ratings. Now we need fusion power so we wouldn't have to depend on oil to power our vehicles. Just for plastics and such.
|
Chip
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/30/2003
11:53:04
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
Good point, but what??!! No more pistons hammering up & down their bores??!!
|
Anthony G
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/30/2003
12:39:28
| RE: Hp With these Mods
IP: Logged
Message:
There are many ways in which our current transportation system can change, but why do that if it hinder jobs for millions of people and companies. But that's and entire different subject.
|
| | P 1 |
|
Post a reply to this message:
Username Registration: Optional
All visitors are allowed to post messages
|
