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Lesley
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1/18/2003
23:15:21
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I've only got it for 4 days. It's a 4x4 Hemi Quad 1500. What a beast, lots of torque.
97 3.9 CC Sport. JBA stainless headers, Borla Turbo XL stainless muffler & tip, 17 x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothies, FMS injectors, V8 TB, Quick D intake, Have but not Installed yet: 5.9 litre 360, posi, 3.92s, Coming: M1, 52mm billet TB, ceramic JBAs.
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The Dude
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1/18/2003
23:25:54
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That is cool beyond all words. I'm assuming it's a rental??
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DakotaDan
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1/19/2003
07:45:58
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Ahhhh......Go For it !!!!!!!!
Dan
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Ryan33
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1/19/2003
12:13:38
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Sucks you have it in the snow :( Cant take FULL advantage of the power :)
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Rosco
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1/19/2003
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I drove a reg cab 1500 4x4 hemi auto 3.92 gears lsd with the 20's. I was not that impressed. Maybee it was due to the 20's and the auto, but my old reg cab dakota, 4.7, standard and 3.55 gears was very comparable (stock). I would not be paying 25,000 for that and there is no way that I would trade in my new dak for it!!! quad cab 5.9 auto 4x4 with 3.55. I'm not saying the hemi wasn't nice but I think there is more hype about this engine that anything. Oh yeah if you drive one listen for the pinging the engine does. Maybee I just drove a crappy one I don't know. Also correct me if I'm wrong but Hp is a calculation. Hp is what sells cars and torque is what moves cars. If the hemi has only 25 more torque then where is the BIG difference??? I don't know. Just my .02 cents worth.
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Rosco
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1/19/2003
12:28:31
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Oh yeah forgot to mention. Have fun lesley and rag the crap out of it while ya got it.
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Mech Eng.
Dodge Dakota
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1/19/2003
12:59:45
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HP, torque and RPM are all related. HP is the actual measure of the ability to do mechanical work. The formula is Torque = (5252 x HP)/RPM.
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Mech Eng.
Dodge Dakota
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1/19/2003
13:04:03
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more..
the reason both torque and HP are important is so you can get good performance over the entire RPM range.. It may sound great to say an engine has 250 HP (like some of the little 4 bangers in the Japanese cars) but if the engine only hits that peak at some un-godly high RPM, it doesn't do much good in all around driving. The goal is to get a nice flat high torque curve over the full RPM range
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Mech Eng.
Dodge Dakota
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1/19/2003
13:10:17
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anyway, enough of the science lesson. School is out.. cool truck!!!
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big_torque
Dodge Dakota
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1/19/2003
16:46:41
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I prefer big torque over HP. :-)))
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Rosco
Dodge Dakota
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1/19/2003
18:31:26
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So what is the torque curve like on the hemi????? I have not seen any dyno's on it. I'm just worried that dodge are converting to chevy standards and overating there engines.
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BigHank
GenIII
1/19/2003
18:56:46
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AWESOME truck!
MoPar to Ya!!!
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
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1/19/2003
22:42:14
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Great just what we need another Eng. that is just smart enough to make a fool of himself. You can not measure HP. HP is a derived number. You measure Tq. and rpm at under standard conditions and you derive HP from that. HP is a measure of work performed in given amount of time not the ability or potential for work. A dyno is not able to measure HP it measures Tq. HP is only significant once a body is in motion. HP sustains what torque has accomplished. THe insignificance of HP can be easily seen buy looking at tractors with only 25 HP, Big Rigs with a mere 300-400HP, Huge steam engines with only 30HP running an entire factory!!! Before the ban of exotic fuels in F1 and the lowering of boost presures volkwagen had a 1.2 engine that made over 1200HP but it did not do so until it was weel past 14,000 RPMS My stock 4.7L quad cab could beat it in the 1/4 mile. While I might have maid a few mistakes in my post I feel ok seeing how I am not an "Mech. Eng." that does not understand how torque and HP are measured. P.S. You do want as flat of a HP and Tq. curve as you can get for normaly daily driveing especialy in a car for a truck you are going to work you want 3/4 of the torque avaiable just off idel up to about 1500-2000 rpms you should see HP and Tq. converge at about 3500-4500 RPM's from 3500-4500 rpms torque should drop and HP should increase until you peak.
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CW
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1/19/2003
22:58:08
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Basicly what sandman said was just a mathimatical number that is calculated from torque. Just a math thing.
4.7 HO, CW style
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm TB, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" Z-tube, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat, Electric fan Convertion, HO cams, Robert shaw 180 therm, HO intake manifold.
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Lesley
GenIII
1/19/2003
22:59:54
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I do all the layout and design for the weekly auto mag at our newspaper... the dodge dealer was really happy with some ads that I came up with for him, so I jokingly said, well let me drive the hemi when you get one. So, Thursday, he shows up with this one, with 26 kilometers on the odometer and a full tank of gas, and told me to bring it back Monday! Wow! I'm writing a feature review on it also. It has been a blast, it can climb over just about anything. I took it up the steepest gravel hill, all covered in ice adn snow, and it didn't even blink. This truck has 345 hp, that is 100 hp more than the 360- stock. I also drove a 4.7, no way did they compare. Lots, and lots of grunt off the line, you could lose the rear end really easy by mashing the pedal. But very easy to drive for such a big truck. I was really impressed.
97 3.9 CC Sport. JBA stainless headers, Borla Turbo XL stainless muffler & tip, 17 x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothies, FMS injectors, V8 TB, Quick D intake, Have but not Installed yet: 5.9 litre 360, posi, 3.92s, Coming: M1, 52mm billet TB, ceramic JBAs.
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QUADMAN
GenIII
1/20/2003
01:30:34
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Good deal Lesley! I have to agree, in no way is the 4.7 Dakota even comparible. That thing flat out hauls. My uncle bought one when it first came out and my quad has nothing for it. I never noticed any pinging, it does however have a distinct growl to it. I was planning on getting one but I think I am leaning more towrds the diesel even though the new powerstroke spanks it. Oh well, I'd rather be cummin than strokin any day.
OPINIONS ARE LIKE....WELL, YOU KNOW THE REST!!
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Mech Eng
Dodge Dakota
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1/20/2003
07:39:38
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Sandman, I guess you missed my point. I DID say that torque is what mattered. I was just trying to point out that it is related to HP. That's why I said the HP number doesn't matter if it only happens at very high RPM, because then it is just a function of running at very high RPM (since the RPM multiplies the Torque number). That's a sales/marketing tool used by all the companies with little high-revving engines to make a good sales pitch. And I do use dynos quite frequently, so I know what they measure. I was just trying to keep the original post simple to show that they are all related. No need to turn it into a flaming battle. It's only a truck and this is only a bulletin board. Life is too short..
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ZenDak
Dodge Dakota
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1/20/2003
07:50:17
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Do those Hemi's ( in the quad 4x4's) have some sort of traction control? Like Rosco said,,I wasn't impressed when I drove one,,, and I feel that my 4.7 would spank it. ( I say that with the 4.7 in my '01 CC auto - against a Full size ram reg. cab,,or quad cab)(not the fairest of fights since I'd be lighter :)
I'm pretty sure I looked around to make sure there wasn't any 'traction-assist' feature on when I drove too. Just didn't seem to want to 'roast' those back wheels. Would barely 'bark' them.
Did I miss something? I wasn't babying it either...
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Lesley
GenIII
1/20/2003
08:16:41
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This one did. I checked the glove box for a spec manual, but it was empty. However, when I took it offroad, it wouldn't get stuck, the wheels couldn't spin so it must've had posi. I couldn't bark the tires either, but it was really easy to have the rear end scoot out from under you if you weren't careful. No pinging here either, great sounding engine.
97 3.9 CC Sport. JBA stainless headers, Borla Turbo XL stainless muffler & tip, 17 x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothies, FMS injectors, V8 TB, Quick D intake, Have but not Installed yet: 5.9 litre 360, posi, 3.92s, Coming: M1, 52mm billet TB, ceramic JBAs.
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Texas Todd
Dodge Dakota
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1/20/2003
10:08:25
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remember the electronic throttle and traction control that was discussed on a previous thread. I think it kind of backs you out of the throttle as traction is lost automatically.
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DakotaDan
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1/20/2003
12:44:02
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That would explain why you have to get 4 wheel ABS with the 5.7 Hemi , they must be using the ABS sensors for traction control
Dan
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Lesley
GenIII
1/20/2003
12:50:18
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I think you must be right - there was that same feeling
of it kicking in that you used to get with ABS.
97 3.9 CC Sport. JBA stainless headers, Borla Turbo XL stainless muffler & tip, 17 x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothies, FMS injectors, V8 TB, Quick D intake, Have but not Installed yet: 5.9 litre 360, posi, 3.92s, Coming: M1, 52mm billet TB, ceramic JBAs.
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Rosco
Dodge Dakota
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1/21/2003
13:41:42
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So has anyone seen the dyno from the hemi??? I still have not seen what the torque curve looks like.
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merken
Dodge Dakota
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1/21/2003
14:02:10
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put it up against my new 2004 f-150 i will burry you in snow
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Demon Dakota
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1/21/2003
15:31:24
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considering they don't even sell 2004 F-150's I'd say that it'd be pretty tough
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14.52@94.2 MPH at Silver Dollar Raceway
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Lesley
GenIII
1/21/2003
15:42:12
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I DOUBT it!!! I took that sucker through huge
snowdrifts and up the steepest hill that I know of. I
have friends who park at the bottom of the hill, and
take a snowmobile to the top where they live. That
truck ate the hill up.
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97 3.9 CC Sport. JBA stainless headers, Borla Turbo XL stainless muffler & tip, 17 x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothies, FMS injectors, V8 TB, Quick D intake, Have but not Installed yet: 5.9 litre 360, posi, 3.92s, Coming: M1, 52mm billet TB, ceramic JBAs.
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BlackDak02
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1/21/2003
15:43:05
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WOW!!! Nice ride Lesley! Truck sounds awesome from your description! Helluva job perk/fringe benefit!!!
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Buddy Jones
Dodge Dakota
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1/21/2003
20:17:19
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They're nice trucks.Wish I would've waited for one.I settled for a 1500 quad cab w/ a 4.7.I feel that it's pushing about 280 at the crank. The Hemi will eat it alive!
Do you think that it'll beat your 3.9 in the quarter?
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Lesley
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1/21/2003
20:43:56
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I could beat my 3.9 in the quarter.
97 3.9 CC Sport. JBA stainless headers, Borla Turbo XL stainless muffler & tip, 17 x10 Boyd Coddington Smoothies, FMS injectors, V8 TB, Quick D intake, Have but not Installed yet: 5.9 litre 360, posi, 3.92s, Coming: M1, 52mm billet TB, ceramic JBAs.
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