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14wntr
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5/05/2001
01:24:10
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Here is my final answer to the air filter mod for my 92 Dak. http://www.flipchip.net/dodge/airfilter_conundrum_part2.htm I posted this in the attempt to help my Gen I & II bretheren keep their sanity.
Now I can move on to less important but far more dangerous things, like rearranging my sock drawer!
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Kirk
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage!
92 4x4 5.2L MPCM 3"FM
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95DakotaV8
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5/05/2001
09:45:43
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I replied on Moparchat.
Kevin Rants
95 CC SLT 4x4, 5.2L, 5spd
Family Man!
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Kris
*GenII*
5/06/2001
23:16:10
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Hey Kirk,
Did it help any? I've been planning on doing the same thing but, haven't had the time. Can you tell me how long was the straight tube? And I was also wondering if you've had any problems with the whole set-up sagging and pulling the air hat away from the Throttle Body.
Kris Harnack
1994 Dodge Dakota SLT
V6 / RC / SB / Auto
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14wntr
GenII
5/06/2001
23:44:14
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Hi Kris,
So far I would say yes it helps, also it has the old open throttle noise that my 73 Chevelle had. (love it) I have had do problems with the pipe dropping off since the filter rests on the fenderwell. There is no way that thing is going anywhere. The straight tube is about 8".
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage!
92 4x4 5.2L MPCM 3"FM
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Kris
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5/07/2001
00:15:06
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So, do you have any straight tubing in the filter and the air hat? If so how long?
Kris Harnack
1994 Dodge Dakota SLT
V6 / RC / SB / Auto
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14wntr
GenII
5/07/2001
00:24:11
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I do, about 3-4" max. Just enough to make the connection. that is why you cant see it in the pic. I did forget to mention that the new air hat valve breather tube will need to be longer. Get some black 5/8 hose. 2ft. is more than enough. That and a hose clamp for the air hat side.
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage!
92 4x4 5.2L MPCM 3"FM
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95DakotaV8
*GenII*
5/07/2001
06:42:48
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Kirk, looks good. I left the hose off the valve cover breather when I had my old 14x3 on there. Do you think there will be any problems just capping off that hole with some RTV? Did you use PVC glue (the orange stuff)? I have some leftover from another project, that stuff sets up like concrete!
Kevin Rants
95 CC SLT 4x4, 5.2L, 5spd
Family Man!
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Mikex70x
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5/07/2001
07:21:36
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Will this also work on my 1999 5.2 v8??
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Bernd
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5/07/2001
08:33:26
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Yes, you can also build yourself a "Home Brew" intake for your 5.2L from parts found at Home Depot. (Total cost is right about $40-$45 w/K&N Filter from your local speedshop or Summit Racing.)
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged V6
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14wntr
GenII
5/07/2001
10:16:22
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I didnt use any cement at all but feel free once you get it where you want. There should be no problem plugging that hole up. I am going to plug it when I get some new valve covers
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage!
92 4x4 5.2L MPCM 3"FM
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Kris
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5/07/2001
17:29:54
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Yep, went to Ace Hardware and Home Depot, Ace didn't have any black tubing. So I settled for the white, I can always paint it. Then went to the Dodge Dealer to order an air hat, $70.00 after tax, and I've always wanted one anyways. Soon I'll order the K&N from summit. Yep, getting rid of the summertime heat blues.
Kris Harnack
1994 Dodge Dakota SLT
V6 / RC / SB / Auto
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Kris
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5/07/2001
17:42:07
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Oh, yeah, how big is the inlet on the 97+ air hat? And how long is that rubber sleeve you have, I bought one but it looks shorter than yours.
Kris Harnack
1994 Dodge Dakota SLT
V6 / RC / SB / Auto
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14wntr
GenII
5/07/2001
18:21:04
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I think the connector is 5" long and the air hat inlet is about 3" OD. You will need to clamp it but it works good.
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage!
92 4x4 5.2L MPCM 3"FM
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95DakotaV8
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5/07/2001
19:15:39
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Kris, I have the summer time heat blues also. Get 3" PVC like Kirk had on his website. I found an airhat for $30 from a guy in Indiana. Have not received it yet, probably will be a week or two. Jegs sells a cone filter p/n 599-RE-0810, is 9" long, 6 inches at the widest, 4-5/8" at the smallest with a 3" inlet, costs 46.99. That should work also. Summit does not have a picture of the RE-0920
Kevin Rants
95 CC SLT 4x4, 5.2L, 5spd
Family Man!
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mikex70x
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5/07/2001
19:49:34
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Is the home made one as good as the real K&N filter? Just wondering thanks for your help. :)
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14wntr
GenII
5/07/2001
23:22:49
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The K&N RE-0920 that I have has a 3 1/2 inlet so it will fit right on the PVC tubing. It is about $10 cheaper at Summit.
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage!
92 4x4 5.2L MPCM 3"FM
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Kevin
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5/08/2001
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Do you think it is a good idea to block off your valve covers? Will there be enough crankcase venitlation if you do that?
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14wntr
GenII
5/08/2001
09:16:53
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No I do not think its a good idea. I plan on using a breather of some kind when I change the covers.
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage!
92 4x4 5.2L MPCM 3"FM
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Kris
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5/08/2001
16:24:28
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No, K&N is strongly against using the valve cover breathers on computer controlled vehicles. I don't know they're reasoning but thats what they say on they're site.
Kris Harnack
1994 Dodge Dakota SLT
V6 / RC / SB / Auto
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14wntr
GenII
5/08/2001
17:01:21
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Can you give a link to that reasoning?
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage!
92 4x4 5.2L MPCM 3"FM
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Kris
*GenII*
5/08/2001
22:39:30
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Well, I checked their site. They have changed it since I've last been there, the only thing I could find was
http://www.knfilters.com/vent.htm
The only thing they say is that the crankcase breathers should not be used on "emission controled" vehicles. And that "the crankcase breathers are only to be used on race motors".
It used to say (I know this because I've wanted to do the same thing for a long time but this stopped me) that this would some how screw up a computer controlled vehicle and cause engine damage. But, I couldn't find this quote since they updated the website. Why don't you email them to find out why they could cause engine damage? Find out cause I still want to put one on.
Kris Harnack
1994 Dodge Dakota SLT
V6 / RC / SB / Auto
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14wntr
GenII
5/08/2001
23:48:33
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There is no way that a breather is going to have an adverse affect on the computer to the point that there is going to be damage. That is pure lawyer speak. If it is only for "race" engines then I guess mine is a "race" engine! Who here has not ever been in a race?
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage!
92 4x4 5.2L MPCM 3"FM
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Robert Brown
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5/09/2001
14:29:24
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Just got my K&N last night and put it in. Tested this morning and this afternoon at lunch. Yummy acceleration!! Feels like my 4.7 is not working as hard. The gas milage monitor on my overhead display has been going crazy.. From 42 mpg down to 6 mpg. Don't know how to read it yet, but first apperances are that the gas milage has gone up. I will know better when I run from a full tank of gas.
Trebor
2000 QC 4.7L K&N (more mods to come!)
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Robert Brown
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5/09/2001
14:31:54
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Just got my K&N last night and put it in. Tested this morning and this afternoon at lunch. Yummy acceleration!! Feels like my 4.7 is not working as hard. The gas milage monitor on my overhead display has been going crazy.. From 42 mpg down to 6 mpg. Don't know how to read it yet, but first apperances are that the gas milage has gone up. I will know better when I run from a full tank of gas.
Trebor
2000 QC 4.7L K&N (more mods to come!)
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14wntr
GenII
5/09/2001
15:00:18
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A MPG monitor is usually based on vacuum so unless your foot is still it will vary wildly.
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage!
92 4x4 5.2L MPCM 3"FM
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Kris
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5/09/2001
23:25:13
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Yep, all I need is the filter. Got the air hat and the pipe already made, just need the filter and the hose. Hey Kirk, what was summits exact part number for the K&N, was it KNN-0920?
Kris Harnack
1994 Dodge Dakota SLT
V6 / RC / SB / Auto
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14wntr
GenII
5/09/2001
23:27:57
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yes it is the KNN-0920
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Kris
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5/10/2001
16:35:03
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Actually it was
KNN-RE-0920
Kris Harnack
1994 Dodge Dakota SLT
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14wntr
GenII
5/10/2001
16:38:32
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Yep you got me :-)
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage!
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Kris
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5/11/2001
17:15:38
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Yep, I'm damn good! hehehehe
Kris Harnack
1994 Dodge Dakota SLT
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Kris239
Gen II
5/16/2001
17:14:41
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Hey Kirk,
Did you remove the restricter plate behind the grill? I finally got mine done, the first day it was in the pvc's started to loosen up. Didn't happen today though. My previous intakes were the 14"x3", before that I had the stock intake with the restricter plate off and a 3" Aluminum pipe in the intake tube, now this set-up. I'm not really sure which set-up I like the best though.
Kris Harnack
1994 Dodge Dakota SLT
3.9L V6 / RC / SB / Auto
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14wntr
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5/16/2001
18:10:24
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I left mine on in an attemp to keep it clean. there is a large area below it where plenty of air comes in.
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Kris239
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5/17/2001
16:32:25
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All right kirk, this time I caught the intake just as it started to seperate. So instead of putting the old 14"x3" back in I decided to put my original intake back in. Whoa! I forgot how well this system did in the summer! I was doing about 30mph and stomped on it, it barked the tires as it downshifted. It could never do that with the 14" or the Gen II set-up. And it was about 80 degrees outside. Give this a try, I can't decide which one I like the most. First take your original airduct hose and put a 3" straight air ducting metal tube in side of it. Cut open the turn in the hose and put a 90 degree air ducting elbow in there. Seal it all up with tape. Remove the restricter plate, and install the original filter housing. I can't really decide which one makes more power, they both have they're good days and bad days. And having three intakes to choose from I'm getting one hell of a headache!
Kris Harnack
1994 Dodge Dakota SLT
3.9L V6 / RC / SB / Auto
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Frank Likert
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5/17/2001
16:51:37
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Speaking of air filters, which k&n is a direct replacement of the factory one? I once had a 89 Ford taurus 3.8v6 at a track, it ran 17.25 consistently, put a k&n on it and it went to 16.75. Of course I put a conical filter on it, and the factory air-silencer was only about an inch in diameter, but still, only a k&n filter and .5s.. I could not believe it.
Frank Likert
'00 QC SLT+ 4.7/auto/3.55ls
'90 Mustang 5.0
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14wntr
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5/17/2001
17:04:58
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if the thing is coming apart why dont you glue it up with PVC cement? One of mine were too so I glued it. No problems since.
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Kris239
Gen II
5/17/2001
17:08:20
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I don't know what the part number is for a 4.7, check out knfilters.com. Kirk and I have the earlier bodystyle daks so our fiters are completly differnt. If I were you I'd wait till the Generation II intake comes out from K&N. Or better yet, look into Airaid's system they aready have out for the 4.7's. These kits will out do any of the drop in's.
Kris Harnack
1994 Dodge Dakota SLT
3.9L V6 / RC / SB / Auto
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Kris239
Gen II
5/17/2001
17:11:24
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I will get the glue when I have some more $$$$$$$$!
Kris Harnack
1994 Dodge Dakota SLT
3.9L V6 / RC / SB / Auto
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14wntr
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5/17/2001
17:36:14
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Dont give me that! You can find $1.47 in the couch if you have too!! :-)
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Kris239
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5/17/2001
18:22:28
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Whoa, that cheap? I haven't had the time to look at any, maybe I do have enough ($3.00 right now)!
Kris Harnack
1994 Dodge Dakota SLT
3.9L V6 / RC / SB / Auto
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