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Texas Todd
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11/20/2002
10:41:32
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The other day, I looked at my PCM (stock, no chips, etc) and noticed an upgrade sticker on it.
I NEVER had it at the dealer for any pinging issues (it never pings).
I've heard that when your truck is at the dealer for something else, and they hook up up to look for any codes, if there's an upgrade flash, you get it, and they don't even mention it.
Maybe CW, or another DC tech can help here.
I'm going to get the #'s off it today and ask CW what the upgrade was.
01, 4.7, 5spd, HOcams, homebrew intake, no belt clutch/fan, etc.
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The Dog
Dodge Dakota
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11/20/2002
11:00:23
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I was a DC tech and when a vehicle came in for a recall flash or driveability problem we always updated the controllers
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CW
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11/20/2002
14:48:30
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If it is coming in for something other than a pinging problem I will not flash them. I have in the past but that was to a really whiny customer that kept complaining about a drivavility problem. He got the flash to fix the minor drivavility problem but got the ping flash as well. I told him so. LOL
Usualy it is a plenum gasket if it is pinging.
4.7 HO, CW style
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm TB, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" Z-tube, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat, Electric fan Convertion, HO cams, Robert shaw 180 therm, HO intake manifold.
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Lab Rat
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11/20/2002
15:05:36
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Mine got it before I even bought it. Service manager there is somewhat of a fanatic. If an update comes out and there's stock on the lot they all get it. Pissed me off, didn't know until it was too late.
LR
Gibson Dual Sport, AirForce One air intake, Jet II, Jet TBS, 180 stat, IAT, TPS, no viscous fan, Lakewood traction bars, "Wilson" antenna ball...when are we gonna see some real parts??!!
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Texas Todd
Dodge Dakota
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11/20/2002
15:06:17
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CW, I'll walk out to the garge here at work now and get the #'s off the stickers in hopes you can tell me if I accidentally got the 'd' flash.
Todd Bouton
01, QC, 4.7, 5spd, HO cams, etc.
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Texas Todd
Dodge Dakota
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11/20/2002
15:25:32
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CW,
The sticker has alot of #'s and letters.
Here goes:as it looks as best as I can reproduce it here:
Authorized Software Update 56040
241AE
module p/n P5604024IAE
module s/n TEH318000BVD
Sequence# 475060
I'll wait for your reply, Thanks CW
And my real question is: can it be at least put back to stock timing?
Todd Bouton
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danny
Dodge Dakota
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11/20/2002
18:18:17
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I don't flash unless "the R/O" i'm given "tells" me to flash. I'm the fix it man/not the "do this" man. The way I see it, the flash is to solve the customers concerns, keep safety 100% for the vehicle (long story) and Fed, State, blah, blah, blah. My $.02. And no I'm not a DCC mouth piece.
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CW
GenIII
11/20/2002
19:18:04
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No you are in the clear. The AE is the same update as mine and I know it doesn't have the ping flash.
4.7 HO, CW style
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm TB, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" Z-tube, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat, Electric fan Convertion, HO cams, Robert shaw 180 therm, HO intake manifold.
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Funkycheeze
Dodge Dakota
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11/20/2002
23:26:14
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if you get an aftermarket flash from, say, kenne bell, will the dealership flash over it when they have your truck?
do you need to specifically instruct them not to?
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Texas Todd
Dodge Dakota
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11/21/2002
10:01:41
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A Texas sized,
Thanks CW
Gald to hear that's not the death flash. I hate to lose a few HP, especially when I never have pinging. (once I did, got bad gas at a mom and pop station, never go there again, and never have a pinging anymore!)
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ME
Dodge Dakota
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11/21/2002
11:25:47
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Look at the last two letters, I was told that the "Death Flash" was
Authorized Software Update XXXXXXXAH
And amything "XXXXXXXAG" and before was OK
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Texas Todd
Dodge Dakota
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11/21/2002
12:00:06
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Cool,
Now if and when it goes to the dealer for something, I'll make sure to tell them NOT to do it!
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Lab Rat
GenIII
11/21/2002
12:13:27
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ME, for what model year(s) does that pertain to??
LR
Gibson Dual Sport, AirForce One air intake, Jet II, Jet TBS, 180 stat, IAT, TPS, no viscous fan, Lakewood traction bars, "Wilson" antenna ball...when are we gonna see some real parts??!!
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ME
Dodge Dakota
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11/21/2002
19:47:26
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I think its for all Daks with the 4.7 only (cuz we're the only ones I ever see worrying about it). If I'm wrong, one of the 318/360 guys please correct me.
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Lab Rat
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11/21/2002
20:22:39
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More info for the cause:
1) MY99/00 PCMs are totally different than the MY01/02 units, at least as far as the pinout in concerned.
2) My part number ends in 351AB. Truck is a MY02/4.7/45RFE.
Looks like it's only for the 00/01 trucks.
LR
Gibson Dual Sport, AirForce One air intake, Jet II, Jet TBS, 180 stat, IAT, TPS, no viscous fan, Lakewood traction bars, "Wilson" antenna ball...when are we gonna see some real parts??!!
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Dragon
Dodge Dakota
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11/21/2002
20:49:07
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So, what exactly does this do that is so bad?
Michael
(New to Dakotas)
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j
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11/21/2002
22:01:13
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It retards your timing so the pinging will disappear. Unfortunately, your power will disappear too.
2000 4.7 CC auto, clear corners, Magnaflow catback, Kenne Bell s/c.
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Lab Rat
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11/21/2002
22:03:39
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Yup, turns it into a slow moving turd off the line.
Gibson Dual Sport, AirForce One air intake, Jet II, Jet TBS, 180 stat, IAT, TPS, no viscous fan, Lakewood traction bars, "Wilson" antenna ball...when are we gonna see some real parts??!!
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Texas Todd
Dodge Dakota
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11/22/2002
09:33:57
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Yep,
And from what CW says,
I don't have it! - yeah
Just have to make sure I never get it, I really like the power of my 01, QC, 4.7, 5spd, HO cams, etc. Play with cars and trucks all the time, I know there ARE things that will beat my QC, I just don't really see, or try and race with them I guess.
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Ex20
Dodge Dakota
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11/22/2002
15:11:06
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After reading this thread I checked my stickers. The dealer told me that a flash upgrade was done on my truck back in 2000 when I had it in for the pinging issue, but my numbers still have the AE version.
CW, do you think you can check mine out as well? I can't get a straight answer out of anyone here.
Upgrade sticker says:
P56040096AE
Seq# 220800
Original Motorola # is:
92B50680D992
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Ex20
Dodge Dakota
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11/22/2002
15:13:19
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My truck has the 5.2L and pings.
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Ex20
Dodge Dakota
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11/22/2002
15:13:22
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My truck has the 5.2L and pings.
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CW
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11/22/2002
19:43:17
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Anything ending with EFG or H are safe as far as I can tell.
4.7 HO, CW style
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm TB, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" Z-tube, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat, Electric fan Convertion, HO cams, Robert shaw 180 therm, HO intake manifold.
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ME
Dodge Dakota
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11/23/2002
13:57:13
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CW, So does that mean that its actually from "I" on are the bad upgrades? I ask because I've heard people who got the "H" noticing a difference---according to the butt dyno.
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CW
GenIII
11/23/2002
14:17:32
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No sorry that is a misprint. Anything before AH is what I should have said.
4.7 HO, CW style
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm TB, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" Z-tube, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat, Electric fan Convertion, HO cams, Robert shaw 180 therm, HO intake manifold.
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Lab Rat
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11/23/2002
15:42:07
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CW,
Would that pertain to MY99/00 trucks only since the PCM is different for the MY01/02 ones?
Got my hands on the pinouts/schematics for both of those finally. Muahahahaha....
LR
Gibson Dual Sport, AirForce One air intake, Jet II, Jet TBS, 180 stat, IAT, TPS, no viscous fan, Lakewood traction bars, "Wilson" antenna ball...when are we gonna see some real parts??!!
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Grant
Dodge Dakota
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11/23/2002
16:09:46
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This may sound dumb, but how do you tell if you have gotten the "flash" or not? Is there a physical way to tell?
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CW
GenIII
11/23/2002
17:02:14
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Grant: There should be a update sticker.
Lab Rat: Probalby I would think. Really haven't paid that much attention. Not sure why everone is so concered that if they have it. They can't do anything but get a aftermarket flash anyways.
4.7 HO, CW style
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm TB, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" Z-tube, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat, Electric fan Convertion, HO cams, Robert shaw 180 therm, HO intake manifold.
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Lab Rat
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11/23/2002
18:27:55
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CW,
But getting that a/mkt flash is still a problem for some of us 02 owners. Depending on what happens in the next few months I may pursue a transplant (hence the schematics). Thanks as always!
LR
Gibson Dual Sport, AirForce One air intake, Jet II, Jet TBS, 180 stat, IAT, TPS, no viscous fan, Lakewood traction bars, "Wilson" antenna ball...when are we gonna see some real parts??!!
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Beekota
Dodge Dakota
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11/23/2002
19:31:06
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In the past couple of weeks I have been on the phone with DC,and Mopar Performance and I talked to B&G anyhoo DC does have a flash for the 4.7L under FLEET Service or the "Police Package"that changes the Torque Management,Rev Limiter and Speed Limiter,They said the Mich.State Police, L.A.County use these hotter PCM in their Fleet Vehichles.I talked to Mark at DC about the Fleet package.
So i guess the do have so called Performance PCM for the 4.7L we Just can't get our hands on it!
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ME
Dodge Dakota
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11/23/2002
21:07:57
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Can this "police flash" be done at any dodge service garage? or only at special ones by special people?
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