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SinCity R/T
Dodge Dakota
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10/27/2002
17:48:52
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 Subject: SoCalDakota - A Rebuttal
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How about you morons do some real research before you start alleging that Sam is ripping people off? (See Bernd's Response Thread and FlameRed01's crack-induced comments about Sam overcharging people)
Crower's Own Website:
http://www.crower.com/cgi-bin/detail.cgi?prod_id=73656K
Part #73656K Qty:16 1.7 ratio for V8 Dodge Magnum (Up to 5500 rpm max)
MSRP: $493.86
http://www.crower.com/cgi-bin/detail.cgi?prod_id=73656PK
Part #73656PK Qty:16 1.7 ratio for V8 Dodge Magnum (Over 5500 rpm)
MSRP: $693.78
I also don't know what big fat bowl of crack you people were smoking when you found 1.7 ratio roller rockers on Summit Racing for under $200? This is a roller rocker search on Summit's website for Crower brand rockers...
Check out this page:
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=%2Fproduct%2Easp%3Fp%3D428%26searchtype%3Decat
CRO-73601 Chevrolet: 262-400, 1.5 ratio, 7/16 in. stud, roller rocker arms ... $395.95
CRO-73605 Chevrolet: 396-454, 1.7 ratio, 7/16 in. stud, roller rocker arms ... $395.95
CRO-73606 Chevrolet: 396-454, 1.6 ratio, 7/16 in. stud, roller rocker arms ... $395.95
CRO-73641 Chevrolet: 265-400, 1.6 ratio, 7/16 in. stud, roller rocker arms ... $395.95
$395 sure doesn't look like under $200 to me. And that's the more common Chevrolet models, and Summit does not offer Crower rockers for the Dodge Magnum engines.
And trying to compare apples to oranges by quoting prices for other brands or for other vehicles does not apply. It's pretty damned obvious that you can buy Chevy 350 parts a lot cheaper than we've been able to find Mopar 360 parts, this is a given across the board. Different manufacturers making roller rockers out of different materials may be cheaper, but that's not the allegation that was made.
What is the bottom line? Sam is saving people lots of money on Crower Parts. I did a thorough search on the internet and NOBODY has CROWER ROLLER ROCKERS for the DODGE MAGNUM engine for less than Sam, PERIOD.
FlameRed01 - How about you print out your messages out on some nice chewy paper and eat some crow you farkin idiot.
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John Cassell
Dodge Dakota
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10/27/2002
19:32:41
| RE: SoCalDakota - A Rebuttal
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When I found this board. I found the different vendors who offer parts for my Dakota. Not knowing who were good suppliers, I bought my parts from the different vendors. Some were good some were not. Sam did supply the parts I requested, at a price I considered fair. He did answer my phone calls and email about my parts. I can't see he has a dog in this fight. I fell he treated me with all respect a customer should expect. That's my two cents, that's my real name, and that's my real email address, if anyone has any questions. But as a board member, I would hope no one is attacking the vendors here who does not have a legitimate gripe. These are the people who do beat the bushes to bring us the parts we want. And I do know that profits are small, and headaches many. Don't nail anyone for sport. It will drive people, members, and vendors away.
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SinCity R/T
Dodge Dakota
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10/27/2002
21:07:43
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Another portion of FlameRed01's hallucinatory rants I forgot to mention...
Just to clear things up for anyone who might be confused like FlameRed01... I am NOT a vendor. I own a 2001 Dakota R/T. Just like everyone else who bought a Dakota, I found it difficult to track down parts for our trucks. In addition, sites like this had people asking the same questions on a regular basis - "Where can I buy clear corners?" "What bumper cover is that?", etc... My cablemodem ISP gives all of its customers 10MB of webspace to either run a website, store pictures on the web, etc... I decided to start a little website to copy all of the interesting answers to the questions that people were asking all the time. Hence the name of the website I created - Dakota/Durango Information Archive. Ever since I turned on www.dakota-durango.com in Dec 01, it's grown by leaps and bounds, with content added whenever I find the spare time out of real life to type.
One thing I discovered by reading the group buys page on this website was that some manufacturers are willing to sell their products direct to the public at jobber prices (the same price they charge a retailer or distributor before it gets marked up for profit) or lower if purchased in bulk. With 2 kids and a third on the way, I usually don't have much money to spend on parts but caught the mods bug just like many of you, so being able to buy a part via a group buy that I couldn't afford otherwise holds great interest for me.
Manufacturers typically have a limited sales staff, they are selling their products to distributors rather than individuals, so when a group buy like this comes about they want a single person to represent the group buying their products instead of having the 100+ people call, ask questions, process orders, etc. individually. I don't mind being the contact person handling the group buy, knowing that the time I spend organizing all of the orders will save me a bundle of dough on the part I'm buying. The prices that are charged are directly quoted by the manufacturer, and all sales are processed directly through them.
If some jackass like FlameRed01 thinks that people who organize group buys make a bunch of money or are ripping people off, then you need to set the crack pipe down and come back to reality. Through the 5 group buys I've organized thus far, I've answered approximately 750 e-mails, 50 phone calls (including many outgoing long distance calls to manufacturers without 1-800 numbers), and processed approximately 200 orders. During this time I've dealt with depositing money orders, paying PayPal fees, paid orders out of pocket while waiting for PayPal transfers, repackaging some items and then re-shipping them because the manufacturer wanted too much money to dropship, etc... Do you know how much money I got paid for spending all this time helping others (besides the discounts I earned on my own purchases)? MAYBE a total of $50, and every dime of that came either because someone was kind enough to send me an extra couple of bucks as a thank you for organizing my group buys, and the rest came from rounding up to the nearest dollar (ie: instead of saying $79.95, I charged $80 because it was easier to remember and pay). 750 inquiries for 200 orders for 50 bucks. That's a quarter per item sold, or a whopping six cents per inquiry. At this rate I'll be moving into my mansion any day now!
I find it insanely stupid that anyone would complain about the prices that are offered by the regular retailers in the Dakota/Durango community. You're getting parts barely above jobber cost, at a miniscule fraction of the markup that normal storefronts have to charge in order to stay in business. On average, local speedshops and parts counters markup their products by at least 50 to 100 percent. Without the online retailers there's no way in hell I could have half of the parts that I do on my truck, they have truly saved me thousands of dollars over the last year.
If you can't handle these facts, get the hell off of the internet and go back to paying retail.
- Steve
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Blizzard
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10/27/2002
22:14:39
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Amen!
'01 QC 4x4
5.9L, 3.92 LSD, loaded
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IntenseDak39
*GenIII*
10/28/2002
01:25:31
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"Crower's Own Website:
http://www.crower.com/cgi-bin/detail.cgi?prod_id=73656K
Part #73656K Qty:16 1.7 ratio for V8 Dodge Magnum (Up to 5500 rpm max)
MSRP: $493.86
http://www.crower.com/cgi-bin/detail.cgi?prod_id=73656PK
Part #73656PK Qty:16 1.7 ratio for V8 Dodge Magnum (Over 5500 rpm)
MSRP: $693.78"
well here is www.truckperformance.com's prices for those kits.
1.7 rocker/stud kit: $471.42
1.7 rocker/stud/pushrod/guideplate kit: $768.93
How much for sam's agian?
Everyone Is Entitled To Their Own Opinion...... even if it is wrong
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Denise
Dodge Dakota
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10/28/2002
11:31:20
| RE: SoCalDakota - A Rebuttal
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Jeeessssh guys, take it down a notch, youre scaring me!
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