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LI Blackdak
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9/13/2002
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according to C&D an 02 mustang GT(im assuming an auto cause its real bad for a 5 speed)
has a 0-60 of 6.3 and 1/4 mile of 15.1
correct me if im wrong but dont some stock R/Ts run 14.9s and less??? does the really mean an R/T can take out a mustang?? whats the deal with that. a 5 speed nissan altima 3.5 is just as fast!! how could that be??? i mean i know an R/T has 250hp... but it weighs a lot more altima has 240...weighs less but its a V6 not a V8 with a whole lot of torque. mustang should toast both of these cars and 4.7 5 speeds with a 260 hp 4.6 V8
so is true or does C&D just have crappy drivers
i cant imagine a mustang GT running a 15.1...sounds too slow
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Demon Dakota
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9/13/2002
12:47:45
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I've run 13.98 with a totally stock '02 GT and 13.95 with a dead stock '00 GT, so the C&D drivers must really be babying the car. The Altima has a disadvantage in that it's front wheel drive. It does have a pretty hefty dose of TQ though (like 242ish Ft-Lbs). Altima runs 0-60 right around 6.1-6.2 seconds with a 5 speed (all stock components). I "think" it runs the 1/4 right about 15 flat, but I've never run one, so I can't accurately say. I have still never run my '02 CC 4.7L auto, but it's pretty stout. I'm guessing it's low to mid 16's in the 1/4 as is, but like I said, I've never ran it. Mustang GT's I know and race in frequently, but the others I can only guess.
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LI Blackdak
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9/13/2002
13:12:16
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well was urs a 5 speed or auto. cause ur numbers sound more right. although it could be the difference between the 5 speed and auto. altima runs a 14.8 but that is the 5 speed altima. the auto does 0-60 in 7.3 as opposed to 6.3
so if the stang is the same(as far as losing a second on the 0-60 due to transmission) this makes some sense. r/t has way more torque at lower rpms i think(345 lb ft as opposed to mustangs 302 at 4000rpm)
so if it does lose a second on 0-60 an auto mustang might run even with an R/T...unless urs was auto.
car-stats.com says
01 mustang GT manual 0-60 5.4 1/4 14
01 mustang GT conv. auto 0-60 6 1/4 14.7
01 dakota R/T 0-60 6.5 1/4 15
02 altima 5 speed 0-60 6.3 1/4 14.7
some have said R/Ts can run high 14s...its possible...look at the altimas 1/4 though...wow too bad V6 mustangs can't be like that...hehehe with their larger 3.8l engines(what piles of crap) i think there are more then a handful of I4s that can take out V6 stangs...shamful
well there arent that bad
0-60 7 1/4 15.5 thats the 5 speed though
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Demon Dakota
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9/13/2002
13:21:43
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The '00 and '02 GT stangs I drive are both 5 speeds. The auto does kill the GT performance greatly, but I'm not sure by how much. I would hope it wouldn't be 1.1-1.2 seconds difference, but then again I'd never drive/buy one that was an auto. I've got a 1999 Contour SE V6 with the MTX75 that will destroy most of the stock V8 Daks, but I think her clutch is on it's last leg. Last run with it was 14.92 @ 91.7 and the clutch was definitely not holding. I wish that car was a RWD. Dang thing would really fly for that engine (2.5L DOHC V6). Oh well, but that's my story...
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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9/13/2002
13:34:09
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damn 2.5 V6 is that the mazda engine from the probe and what not. probe gts are pretty fast(and sucky)
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moxley
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9/13/2002
14:06:07
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I raced a riced out New-Altima in my 98'RT-CC(couple of mods). I dont care for ricers but this thing looked prtty good?? It was dropped, had fart tips & some other bs. I ran him twice from stop light to stop light..........I Won! But just by a little bit
I was suprised it looked faster than that?? LOL
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LI Blackdak
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9/13/2002
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was it a 2.5 or a 3.5 cause the 2.5s aren't all that slow. although i think an R/T would beat an auto altima..not a 5 speed though(unless the driver sucked)
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moxley
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9/13/2002
15:19:15
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It was a 5 speed, not sure about what motor?? Is ther any visual difference's between a 2.5 and a 3.5?? ground effects,spoiler,rims,badges???
Either way my dak took the ricedup smerk off his face!
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Big59er
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9/13/2002
15:32:58
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Dont even bother listing convertables... Esspecially convertables with automatic trannys no matter which car your talking about.
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steve-on-nos
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9/13/2002
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i have had 5 mustangs over the years,my last was a 98 gt with a vortech supercharger.my 4.7 rc 5 speed 3:92 geared dak feels very similiar.(stock)i have nitrous on the truck and i could probably take the mustang at the track,unless i used slicks.(on the car)it spun violently on street tires at the track.even with traction bars.on the street my stang would be hard to beat.one of the fastest cars in my area (street legal that i raced was a lt1 camaro ss.i smoked him like nothing with the blower.a reg cab dak on nos or blown is a lethal weapon and would do good against most on the street.but there is always someone faster,no matter what you bring.my neighbor has a blown 94 gt,and we are taking it and my nitrous fed dak to the strip next thursday,if no rain.will definitely let you all know how it goes.
stephen
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LI Blackdak
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9/13/2002
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3.5 se has split rear dual exhaust and 17 inch rims 2.5 has 15 inch rims and dual exhaust on the left i believe(although i once saw a 3.5 with 2.5 exhaust...i dont know why.
btw 03 altima has 245 hp up 5 hp
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big_torque
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9/13/2002
22:03:14
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I cant believe how well this post is going. No arguments , no complaining.
We call them "ricers" , I wonder what they call us ?
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Big59er
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9/14/2002
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They call us "Works of art"
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moparjoe20
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9/14/2002
02:07:19
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Demon Dakota , those 2.5/5 speed Contours do run pretty good . My Mother had one until about 2 months ago and it was pretty fun to drive. I took it to the track a few times and usually was in the 14.60's@93 mph , it had SVT heads and intake , K&N intake system and a Dynomax cat-back. She always had problems with the clutch though , went through 2 stockers and a centerforce dual friction and they always slipped a little.
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steve-on-nos
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9/14/2002
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a woman at work has a 87 buick grand national.i graduated in '87,always wanted one.they were the fastest production vehicle in the late 80's.she only wants $4000.be nice to restore.but i dont have alot of room.like my dak and grand prix gt to work on.tired of mustangs,had 5 and helped my neighbor with his blown gt.like custom trucks.
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Big59er
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9/14/2002
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My dad has an 87 GN too he is the original owner too only has 33 thousand miles on it. Sits in storage all the time. Only comes out once a year for the GS nationals down in bowling green but he doesnt run it... But ill tell you when your behind the wheel of that car you feel invincible.
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steve-on-nos
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9/14/2002
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my buddy had one when we were in the service.we tried to race one when we pulled up next to when we were at virginia beach.my buddy thought he was quick ,we got spanked.it was a stage 3 turbo, not to mention more on that gn.he was the pres. of virginia beach area grand nat. club.he gave my friend alot of tips for his car.i laughed at my bud all the way home.
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Big59er
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9/15/2002
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Well ill tell ya man, if you do end up getting that GN there are plenty of websites out there of guys set ups that will get you into the low 12's for around 1000. 12 second car for 5000 bucks... Not to shabby at all.
Only mods I can think of that my dad is running off the top of my head is a fuel pump of some sort, boost regulator, chip of some sort, ram air, nitto 555R's in the rear. Found a fairly flat road and ran it with the G-tech and he pulled in a 13.1 at 109. He's been planning to get a T/A 49 turbo for sometime now but first he helped me pay for my shaker hood and then he bought those tires so he'll probably wait till this spring to think about getting it.
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Big59er
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9/15/2002
02:47:30
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Even restoring it you should get alot out of it. (just noticed that part in your original post)
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Demon Dakota
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9/15/2002
15:27:00
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The 2.5L DOHC 60 Deg V6 that Ford used was actually developed by Porsche and came to Ford Europe with 250 N/A RWHP. Why the hell Ford decided to bump it down to 170 for the SE Contours and 200 for the SVT is still a mystrey to me. I guess they couldn't have the family grocery getter kicking the sh!t out of their pony car. That and they had a moron at the helm named Nasser. All I can say is thank God a Ford is running Ford right now.
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dREWZr/t
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1/09/2003
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Hey everyone! I just raced a new mustang GT lastnight so i had to come and brag about it. We didnt race from a stop. we were rolling at about 20 mph and we both hit it at the same time and i walked away from him. He was at my bumper when i hit about 60 then i let off. Only mods i have is the K&N fipk Ravin exhaust, iat relocation 3923's and 180 deg stat on my R/T. Needless to say he was pizzed. I was laughin the whole way home. Keep on truckin!
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LI Blackdak..
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1/09/2003
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yeah. why don't you try it from a dead stop and go beyond 60 and see what happens...
I would race you with my SE-R but I don't have enough stickers on it yet. Also my stock exhaust isn't loud enough to win with. once I get my AEM and NOS stickers to go with my 4 ft wing and fart muffler then you and the mustang are toast...lol
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Demon Dakota
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1/10/2003
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Good thing he was a sh!tty driver. I hate those people who buy performance cars and can't win the easy races. Talk about wasted potential.
K&N Drop in AF
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Modified TB
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IAT Adjuster Mod
14.52@94.2 MPH at Silver Dollar Raceway
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SpongeBob
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1/10/2003
20:22:54
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Hey everyone! I just raced John Force lastnight so i had to come and brag about it. We didnt race from a stop. we were rolling at about 120 mph and we both hit it at the same time and i walked away from him. He was at my bumper when i hit about 160 then i let off.But than my R/T is badass.HeHeHe
00 Dakota SLT 4.7 auto 235 hp auto 355 LS
02 Grand Cherokee 4x4 4.7 235 hp
89 Mustang 2dr 5.0 5spd 355 gear {many engine mods}
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LI Blackdakk
Dodge Dakota
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1/10/2003
21:38:54
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160!! sounds very safe...good luck with all that...unless ur lying
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DrewzR/T
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1/13/2003
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Dayum whats the deal with all the sarcasm. No need to be pricks about it. Just thought I'd share. Sheesh. Must be ford guys or somethin. Also how can you be a bad driver when all you have to do is mash the gas. Must have shaky leg
syndrome or something huh!!! I prefer not to go higher than 60 in a 40 MPH zone. But you didnt know that did you. I'd like to keep my license. And who knows he might have even had shaky hand syndrome and caused a wreck. Isnt that right Demon dakota I mean he was obviously a bad driver right. Man i hate people who cant drive!!!!
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Demon Dakota
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1/13/2003
11:01:53
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I'm not pissing in your cornflakes. It's a good kill anytime you bash a ponycar with a truck. It's just that the guy driving the Mustang IS pissing me off because mommy and daddy bought something that runs 13.9's from the factory and he can't do any better than 14.9. Believe me, I wasn't trying to downplay you or your win.
K&N Drop in AF
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DrewzR/T
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1/14/2003
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Right On! He would probably spank me from a stand still but we didnt get the chance to do so. Just thought it was kinda crazy he didnt pull away from me. Its just that when i first got my Dak i ran it at MIR and ran a 15 flat without anything done to it and I got beat by a riced out civic. Put about 1000 dollars worth of parts into it and was suprised at the difference. Think I'm in the low 14's now thats all....especially if he didnt pull away from me. Anyways Next month when the Novi goes on I'm sure it'll definitely be a good race!!
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