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kota318
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9/09/2002
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what would be the best performance chip or
computer for a 1997 kota 5.2 auto with k@n
fpik gen2 and dual flowmaster? i want the
most hp i can get out of it. and what kind of
gains can i expect fro it.
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kota on 20s
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9/09/2002
02:20:39
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hands down the mopar pcm! dont even think about anything else
some other choices are the jet 1&2 stage chip and a hyper chip. these plug into the stock pcm and add a few degrees of timing, and some other things. the problem is, since the pcm lears what is going on (after about 200 miles) it counter acts to this and your $200+ chip is worthless.
you can get a mopar pcm at krc performance for about the same price as a jet II chip. it also raises the revlimiter, and takes out the speed limiter
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson
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kota318
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9/09/2002
02:23:37
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thanks man. how much will it cost me? i check at the dealer and they want 400 bucks for it
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kota on 20s
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9/09/2002
02:27:52
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http://www.krcperformance.com/newcontent/pcm.html
its $330 at krc..(i thought it was cheaper, but still worth it)
you might want to check summit racing. might be even cheaper there
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson
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kota318
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9/09/2002
02:31:21
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sweet thanks. its better than the dealer
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kota on 20s
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9/09/2002
02:32:55
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no problem...good luck
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson
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kota318
Dodge Dakota
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9/09/2002
02:36:32
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now, how much horse power and torque gains would i be getting with the pcm and my current mods: k&n fipk gen2,and dual flowmaster?
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kota on 20s
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9/09/2002
02:46:25
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i think the clames are 25hp for the PCM. i think the gain is 10-15 RWHP in real world conditions. and about .2 in the 1/4
one thing to consider...the pcm will raise the shift points to about 5100-5200 rpm. you stock manifold stops making power at about 4300 rpm. in other words, the engine will make noise, but not go anywhere. you need to change the manifold to take advantage of the added rpm's
honestly, if you are willing to spend $330 on a pcm, spend a extra $40, and get the M-1 manifold. i beleve i suggested it to you in the past, but i strongly feel that you will get more out of it than the pcm and a lot of other bolt on parts
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson
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kota318
Dodge Dakota
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9/09/2002
02:52:21
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yeah you did. i would get the manifold, but im worried about the installation on it thats the only problem
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kota on 20s
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9/09/2002
02:56:06
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i was worried about the install also, but it looks 100 times harder than it is. honestly its a pice of cake.
if you decide to ever try it, ill walk you through the process, and give you a (short) list of tools that you need
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson
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kota318
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9/09/2002
02:58:14
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im not the best when it come to taking engines apart or putting together
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kota on 20s
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9/09/2002
03:01:38
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its easy, you just take out bolts and put them back in, in the same location. you can even lable them if you can not remember how they go.
most of the mess is unplugging sensors and such. it is real easy to put back together because they can only go one way
if you ever decide to give it a try, just ask
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson
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kota318
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9/09/2002
03:07:31
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ok, ill think about it some more
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AlmightyDart
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9/09/2002
03:09:38
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Cool, I was thinking of going towards this route too. I had a question though... could I still pump with 87 regular gas or would I have to pump with 92 premium after PCM CHIP install. People have been telling me that if you get a chip installed you can't pump reg gas. Thanks and if this sounds stupid sorry haha.
James
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kota on 20s
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9/09/2002
03:13:23
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the pcm is not a chip...its a whole new computer (aka, pcm)
dodge says to run 92 octain, but almost everyone that i talk to uses 89.
kota, click on my thumbnail, and you can see my engine when i had it torn down... you can see how everything just moves out of the way. i have the AC compressor laying on the core support, with the lines still connected. did the same with the fuel rails
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson
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kota318
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9/09/2002
03:21:08
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what is everything i would have to remove to just put the manifold on?
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kota on 20s
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9/09/2002
03:27:51
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take off the upper radiator hose, fan belt and unbolt the AC compressor amd alternator and set aside. unbolt the AC/alternater braket and remove. take out the plug wires to (get them out of the way). unbolt the throttle linkage and fuel rails, and set aside. unplug all sensors, and vaccume lines to the manifold, and take off the manifold.
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson
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kota on 20s
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9/09/2002
03:30:10
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oh and ofcourse you have to take off the GEN II. forgot about the most obvious...lol
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson
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kota318
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9/09/2002
03:30:45
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hmm....it doesnt sound too bad
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kota318
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9/09/2002
03:34:42
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could this all be doin in a day. cuz i need my truck ,and i dont think my parents would want me doin this to it either
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AlmightyDart
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9/09/2002
06:37:37
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Cool, I was thinking of going towards this route too. I had a question though... could I still pump with 87 regular gas or would I have to pump with 92 premium after PCM CHIP install. People have been telling me that if you get a chip installed you can't pump reg gas. Thanks and if this sounds stupid sorry haha.
James
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Brad
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9/09/2002
08:50:32
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I don't think Mopar makes a PCM for the 97 auto 318. They do make a California version and a manual 318 version but no auto version.
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kota on 20s
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9/09/2002
12:25:42
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kota, it can be done in a few hours.
James, I answered that post already... most people run 89 with no problems.
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson
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Black Magic
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9/09/2002
14:52:26
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Can this same mopar pcm be used on a 2000 4.7L automatic?
Can the M-1 Manifold be purchased through krc also?
THANKS
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crm
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9/09/2002
20:11:42
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black magic: no, there are no mopar pcm's for our 4.7's yet (and most likely never will be). there are a couple places to get them re-flashed, but the mopar pcm's are only for the 5.2/5.9.
and yes, i'm sure you could prolly get the M-1 manifold from KRC, but it wouldnt fit your 4.7 :) totally different engine and technology.
the things you should be looking at:
HO cams
HO intake (but only if you do the cams)
Leach flash
air intake (i'd recommend Intense Perf. Z-tube)
Fastman "true" 68mm TB, or 70mm
high-flow or gutted cat
not necessarily in that order, but those are the things that are either proven to have great results or are beneficial in getting other mods to work better.
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Black Magic
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9/10/2002
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crm,
I have considered the Leach Flash. I pull a 5,000lb trailer a lot. Would the HO cams and intake hurt or help the trailering performance?
I'd like to do the cams. I've heard nothing but good about it!
I'm no mechanic though and don't really have the time to do it myself.
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crm
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9/10/2002
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the HO cams/intake would definitely help in towing. the cams would add torque down low and the intake helps on the upper end HP. havent done them myself, but am planning on it this fall/winter. since you tow a lot, you might wanna talk to whoever you get to do a flash. for instance, mopar doesnt recommend towing with their pcm, so it might be similar when you get a custom flash.
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