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The Dude
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9/06/2002
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I have a 2002 4.7L QC with an Intense Performance intake. I went down to the local (Jeep) dealership by my college and wanted to talk to the guys about getting some of those high output cams, since everyone who's put them in seems to be raving about them.
Well, to make a long story short, the parts manager there was so floored when I told him what I wanted to do. He kept saying things like, "Why the heck do you want the Jeep cams?" and "I don't see what the difference between the Dodge 4.7 and the Jeep Grand Cherokee cams are..." and even "I don't know if these Jeep parts will even go into your Dodge..."
Anyway, now that this happened, I just need to confirm, are these Jeep Grand Cherokee cams the ones I want, and do they really give you better low end? I came out of the dealer thinking that this guy just doesn't get out much...or was he right?
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yates-in-DE
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9/06/2002
19:26:01
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This guy at the dealership lives under a rock.
The engines are the same exept the cams and intake manifold. The Jeep produces 265hp stock verses the 235 from the stock Dakota.
As a good neighbor go buy there at closing time and take him out for a cup of joe or a beer, he could use the air.
Later,
MyVW Killer
Lynn
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EyeTrip
R/T
9/06/2002
19:35:48
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LOL
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crm
Dodge Dakota
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9/06/2002
22:00:30
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do a search on this board and get the part numbers. that way you can make sure that you are getting the HO cams for the Jeep Grand Cherokee HO and not the stock cams. otherwise, he could be ordering the the same exact cams that you have right now.
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The Dude
Dodge Dakota
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9/06/2002
23:15:00
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Actually, I did give him the part numbers that I found on this board. Can anyone confirm these for me?
#53021411AB
#53021412AB
I was under the assumption that all the Grand Cherokees for 2002 were High Output.
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Michael
DakotaEnthusiast
9/07/2002
00:12:32
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You have the correct part numbers.
That parts manager is wrong, ask him to pull up a 2002 with the 4.7 then pull up the HO 4.7 .
The numbers won't match then he'll have his proof.
ME --->  <--- Jeep Parts Manager
Z-Tube, R/T Rims, SSB Rear Disc Conversion, Alpine Head-Unit, Infinity Kappa Speakers, SilverStar Headlights, HO Cams & Intake in the box.
So what size flux capacitor you got in there?
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The Dude
Dodge Dakota
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9/07/2002
03:17:33
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The parts manager gave me those numbers but whenever I mentioned "High Output," he got kind of sceptical. He said, "Hey, what are these some kind of performance parts, cause we don't stock performance parts." I had to assure him on a couple occasions that they were stock Jeep parts. Thank God I have a Dodge cause these Jeeps guys don't know squat, even about their own products. :P
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Muzzy
GenIII
9/07/2002
05:05:22
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I ordered my cams through my local Dodge dealer. The parts guy is a gearhead like me, so he was eager to know all about what I was planning. They didn't have the parts numbers in their database (Jeep parts), but he was able to track them down and get me my cams.
I went to the local Jeep dealer to compare part numbers between HO and non-HO engines. I also ended up getting the valve springs too. The part numbers weren't the same. The parts guy there was pretty cool too. He said he would check things out and called me later to come down to see what he had found. They must just be bored out here in corn country...he he.
-Muzzy
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his"
-Gen George S. Patton
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JMII
Dodge Dakota
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9/07/2002
18:52:24
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How much do the cams cost? How much would it cost to install them? Any changes to the TQ?
This sounds like the best upgrade for the 4.7l, especially since we know it will work fine with a stock engine. 30HP is a good gain... not this silly 3 HP from a exhaust system.
- John
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CW
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9/07/2002
19:53:40
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30!?!?!?! No 13 is more like it. With the intake the power doesn't fall off as fast.
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm TB, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" Z-tube, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat, Electric fan Convertion, HO cams, Robert shaw 180 therm, HO intake manifold.
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Cotharyus
GenIII
9/08/2002
08:18:49
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CW - how's that custom grind coming? I think you should be able to get 30hp off a set of properly ground cams with the 4.7 - in other news, what sort of gains would you expect to see from a good valve job?
2001 QC 4x4, 4.7,5 spd, LSD, K&N Gen II Intake, Robert Shaw 180 Stat
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CW
GenIII
9/08/2002
12:06:37
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Due to money issues not a thing. You have to be very carful with the 4.7 as it is a small engine and you can loose alot of torque fast with too big a cam. I want to see what premier automotive is going to do and what the price is. If I can do them cheaper I will. I am also pretty sure all they are doing is regrinding the HO cams.
Compition cams will do a regrind the cams for $230. I have a couple a sets of stock cams but next year is a more realistic goal.
2001 4.7 5sp 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm TB, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" Z-tube, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat, Electric fan Convertion, HO cams, Robert shaw 180 therm, HO intake manifold.
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mopar15
Dodge Dakota
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10/08/2002
22:35:26
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stupid question,
Does the ho cams and manifold void the warranty if they are mopar parts?
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Josh
Dodge Dakota
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10/09/2002
08:45:11
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Of course the warranty is void. The car wash soap you use voids the warranty on the whole truck.
Ask any dealer, there tell you it's true "Anything you do to the truck that's different than how we gave it to you voids the warranty." So don't wash, or put in gas, or do oil changes or... And dealers don't lie, they're there to help you!
J/k of course.
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dr0p0ff
GenIII
10/09/2002
09:51:00
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its a mopar part. it does NOT void the warranty. no matter how many people at dealerships want to put their heads up their asses about it, it doesn't.
Keep On Truckin!
Sgt G
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yates-in-DE
GenIII
10/09/2002
10:04:41
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Well I installed the HO cams myself. Now the big burden of proof is on Daimler-Chrysler to prove I did.
You know Bill Clinton had the right Idea with the Phrase 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'. Well, if I go into a Dealer and have a blown head gasket I'm not going to say I put HO cams in. In fact I am not going to say anything about any of the stuff I've done, and will look at them like a Plum Dumb A$$ when they ask about anything.
Like the once highest person in the land said "No I didn't have sex with this intern, She just gave me some Oral Therapy" Well, hell no I didn't Modify it, I enhanced it.
I’m not saying they can’t prove I did, or want. I’m just saying that I’m not going in bragging about dogging a customer’s car on the WWW.
Later,
MyVW Killer
Lynn
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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10/09/2002
10:18:09
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If you ar willing to install your own cams, then why is the warranty still important? I'd rather do my own labor than have the dealer go in there and reflash my computer and all kinds of BS like that.
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yates-in-DE
GenIII
10/09/2002
10:22:35
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The reason warranty is still important is because I'm a lazy ba$tard and if it's not a sceduled up grade like blown head gasket, i want the dealer to pay the labor. I don't mind tearing it down if it's like ported and polished heads, that I've got planned in.
later,
MyVW Killer
Lynn
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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10/09/2002
11:05:56
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Yeah, okay.... I'm jsut baffled by some of the "will a supercharger and a 150 shot void my warranty???" type questions that are posted here quite frequently. It's like "I want to have a 13-sec street ride, but when an injector fails, I want to have some mechanic replace it."
Huh?
Of course my warranty's been gone on my 2000 since about this time last year.... but I really haven't had any warranty issues come up. Guess I'm lucky. 57K & still cruisin' (knock on wood).
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?????
Dodge Dakota
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10/09/2002
12:01:22
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Yates,
You seem like a good chap, and I enjoy all of your insight and posts.
But,
There's MORE to an HO engine than the cam and intake, c'mon now. I'm not EVEN trying to flame you at all, but that statement wasn't true.
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yates-in-DE
GenIII
10/09/2002
13:17:35
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Yea the pistons are a little higher in compression and the heads have bigger valves. The rods are different. Most of the performance comes from the cams and the intake and the remainder comes from the heads and the pistons.
I'm not taking it as a flame at all. The basic point I was trying to make less the fine points was it would work.
Later,
MyVW Killer
Lynn
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Clevite 77
GenIII
10/09/2002
13:21:50
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I beleive it has a different crank to.
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I've used Mobil -1 Full Synthetic Oil And Filter Since I Had 6,000 miles
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yates-in-DE
GenIII
10/09/2002
13:22:52
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Yep.
Later,
MyVW Killer
Lynn
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Clevite 77
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10/09/2002
13:31:13
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hey yates, have you done the intake too?
If so how was the power gain and would you do it again, was it worth it?
Line-X Over The Rail Bed Liner
Home Brew Intake
Dual Exhaust
3923 Autolite Plugs
Krypton 4300K Blue/Whites
Euro Clear Corners
Grille-Tech Grill Insert (Silver)
TPS Set At .705
Removed Rubber Flap
I've used Mobil -1 Full Synthetic Oil And Filter Since I Had 6,000 miles
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yates-in-DE
GenIII
10/09/2002
13:38:21
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No intake just the cams. I have a friend in S'port, La thats working on an intake and a tranny for me I hope he's finished with by the time I get back on that side the big puddle. If they work like I hope I will be advertising them for him.
Later
MyVW Killer
Lynn
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MidnightMagic
Dodge Dakota
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10/09/2002
15:11:57
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checked the price for cams, $73.50 for each. labor 350.00 can anyone tell me if the HO jeep 4.7 has a bigger stock TB than our Dakota one? thanks...Jon
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Wolfman Jack
Dodge Dakota
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10/09/2002
16:20:47
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That's about 50% too much for the cams!!!
Got em for 122$ shipped to my door, that's for the pair!
Search the archives young man.
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Chris
Dodge Dakota
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10/10/2002
10:19:03
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Go online and look up the info for Fred Smith Dodge in wakefield RI. Talk to Gary. He will hook you up. Great guy and a gearhead to boot!!!
Chris
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Jesse
Dodge Dakota
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10/11/2002
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Does the 4.7L have 2 cams?
Does anybody have any instructions on how to install the HO cams?
How much are they?
And are they worth the time and money?
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yates-in-DE
GenIII
10/11/2002
03:54:28
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Worth the time and money, yes, are there 2, yes, does any body have instructions, yes.
I've seen them as cheap as $122 a pair, and as much as $200. Check some of the other 4.7L cam posts and you will find where to get them cheap.
Later,
MyVW Killer
Lynn
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Texas Todd
Dodge Dakota
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10/11/2002
09:13:07
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Chris's post above, cheapest place.
Mine also did NOT have any RUST already on the cams!!!!!!!!!! that I got from the Wakefield RI Dodge.
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