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mannyzamora
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7/15/2002
03:22:09
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If you guys and gals want to see what is going to be the ultimite Dakota, take a look at the latest issue of sport truck. Gale Banks the turbo guru is building a dak that is goin to be powered by a modified new gen cumming turbo diesel! Try 350hp about 700lbs of torque. When he is done building it he is going to put all his equipment in a trailer tow it with the dak to Bonniville try to brake his own speed record load up and drive the thing back to his shop!!
manuel i zamora
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yates-in-de
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7/15/2002
05:51:21
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Dude,
You could at least put a link to it.
BAD DAK
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Lynn
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yates-in-de
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7/15/2002
05:54:13
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Yo!
I'm an idiot, put the wrong link page. DOH!
BAD DAK
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Lynn
'02 Flame Red CC, 4.7, 5 Speed, 3.92's, KB Optimizer II, IP Z-Tube w/7" S&B,[b] 3" Y-pipe back w/Flowmaster 50 Series,[b]Bell Tech 2"x4" Drop, Saddleman Soft Tonneau, RS 180 t-stat, Autolite 3923's,[b]Pirelli Scorpion Zero's 275/60-16's, Savin for the KB Twin Screw Super Charger
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xplikt
Dodge Dakota
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7/15/2002
10:27:28
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I WANT IT!
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AmsoilSponsor
Dodge Dakota
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7/15/2002
10:40:51
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I want to know three things...
1) Where can I buy one just like it?
2) If not, who can build me one?
3) Either way, what would it cost me?
Steven Roark
AMSOIL Synthetic Oils, Lubricants and Truck Care Products
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yates-in-de
GenIII
7/15/2002
11:14:04
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it would probly only be good for the Auto-bahn here in Germany, or pulling your neighbors house off the foundation.
Have you read the stats on the engine, just head, turbo and intake work, no cams, or lower end work 700 HP. WO!
Drooling ig Germay,
Lynn
'02 Flame Red CC, 4.7, 5 Speed, 3.92's, KB Optimizer II, IP Z-Tube w/7" S&B,[b] 3" Y-pipe back w/Flowmaster 50 Series,[b]Bell Tech 2"x4" Drop, Saddleman Soft Tonneau, RS 180 t-stat, Autolite 3923's,[b]Pirelli Scorpion Zero's 275/60-16's, Savin for the KB Twin Screw Super Charger
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LI Blackdak
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7/15/2002
12:29:40
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why diesal???
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alex
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7/15/2002
13:49:22
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Because you can sink about $2500 - $3000 into a Cummins and get 500+ hp and over 1300 lb-ft of torque at less than 3500rpm. That's why diesel.
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Hersbird
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7/15/2002
19:38:07
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Well a cummings costs a good $3000 more then a 360 to start with as well, you couldn't get 500 HP out of a 360 for $6000 in mods? Plus how much does it cost to fabricate everything to fit into a Dakota? Another small fortune. They should have done this test with a 2500 series ram with the cummings from the factory. It would mean something then, otherwise it's just another mega-buck one off custom race car. Plus it's built for one thing only, straight line top speed, It will be slow as hell in the 1/4 mile and wouldn't handle for crap with an extra 500 pounds of motor, and even less weight in the rear.
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Jon
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7/15/2002
19:40:30
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AmsoilSponsor: Send me $100,000 and i'll build you one. I think i have the skills to do it, i'm just fresh out of cash. SO for now i'm stuck with my 120mph dak.
-Jon
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kota on 20s
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7/16/2002
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hersbird, there are deasel dullies rinning 13's in the 1/4. with the weight of the dakota, i would say it will be pretty fast, if he can hook up.
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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alex
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7/16/2002
09:04:12
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Hersbird, yeah, you can get 500 hp out of a gasser for $6000, but, um , you can't get 1450 lb-ft of torque out of a gasser for that amount of money. And if you can, it damn sure won't make 20-25 mpg on the highway while moving a 7000 lb truck.
The end.
PS They already set the land speed record with a 1994 Ram back in about 1995. All they did was take a 2500 2wd standard cab, lower it, add a tonneau cover and an electronic overdrive unit, then drop in a USED R&D mule Cummins. They went 145 mph at Bonneville. There were people sitting on the tailgate before the run, because they thought it was a tow vehicle.
So, yeah, it's a one-off race car, but it's a stone cold reliable Diesel Dakota that'll go 200 mph.
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sicminds
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7/16/2002
10:02:00
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why such the ugly rims and tires(just a joke)
I say paint it plain white
and make it a sleeper. accompanied
with a v6 badge
can you imagine the look on the
ricers face
HAH you could take a picture of there expression
and sell enough copies to get your $6k back!!! what a deal!
now you know thats..................
sic
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DaveR
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7/16/2002
10:17:22
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A 2001 ram 4x4 dynoed at carlisle this past weekend. With the diesel, a two stage nitrous shot, and propane injection he made 760hp @ 1200 ft-lbs. He would have gone higher on the torque, but the dyno only went up to 1200. He had also done some work on the turbo because he said he peaked the 30 psi boost gauge and changed to a 100 psi oil pressure gauge to measure boost. He was also running 5 inch exaust whhich turned out to be rather funny. Seemed everyone forgot how desiels smoke when they get a load. I'll have to get pics up. He should be in mopar muscle next month.
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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7/16/2002
10:30:31
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Here's some movie links that will illustrate the power of diesel:
http://www.dieseldynamics.com/videos/1372vs-viper.mpg
http://www.dieseldynamics.com/videos/1350-rt59.mpg
http://www.dieseldynamics.com/videos/mm02/1361-kat.mpg
Just copy & paste them into your browser.
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Hersbird
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7/17/2002
00:39:04
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While a diesel will excell in many areas it will not work as well in the 1/4 mile as a gas motor. The rpm range is just too limited. It will work great for highway towing, and top speed runs where you can set the gears up so the truck will operate in a narraow rpm band, but that just doesn't work in the 1/4 mile. The difference between a Cummings making 500 Hp at 3000 rpm and a 360 making 500 Hp at 6500 rpm is that the 360 can stay in first more then twice as long. So even if it is making 1/2 the torque, it will say in 1st gear (regaining the gearing advantage) more then twice as long. Then this is repeated for 2nd, and 3rd. For a cummings to trap at 3500 rpm and run the 1/4 mile at say 130 mph it would need 2.00 rear gears (based on not using OD and a 28" tall tire.) The Dakota example can use 4.20 rear gearing with the same tires and transmission. So there again the rear gearing will more then double the torque of the 360 compared to the cummings. Ultimately if installed back to back in the same truck with the same transmission the 360 making 500 hp at 6500 rpm and 1/2 the torque of a 500 hp cummings will actually be putting more torque to the tires through the ability to use deeper gears, while still holding the lower gears of the transmission for a longer time. Sure there are some modded turbo diesels running 12's in the 1/4, but there are lots of turbo small blocks running much faster then that.
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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7/17/2002
09:02:43
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So then how do you explain the trucks featured in the videos that I posted above? Most of those are running 4.10 rear ends, 37" tall tires and running thru the traps at less than 3500.....
And I'm not sure what your point is.... You were poo-poo-ing on the 200 mph Dakota and saying that this should've been done with a 2500 Ram. Now you're saying that it should be a 360 Dakota covering the 1/4 mile?
This is a post about a 200+ mph Dakota.
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Knobbyman
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7/17/2002
09:12:58
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Hersbird I think you missed the point.. They are going for
"The Dodge Dakota’s aggressive stance is a perfect choice for the world’s first – and soon to be world’s fastest - diesel sport truck."
The thing is Banks makes turbos and engine mods for Diesels not Gas engines.
I've also yet to have seen a Gas Dakota over 200 mph.
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Demon Dakota
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7/17/2002
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I'm trying to get a video of my friends '00 F250, which has the 7.3L Powerstroke Turbo. He was carrying two of his project cars here in GA (400 South) and literally did a burnout at 65 MPH when he got on it. Big car trailer, two classic cars on it, and spun tires enough to leave at least 30 foot marks. His truck is badass.
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SuperBee
Dodge Dakota
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7/17/2002
10:18:03
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is it not easier to do that when towing a trailer?
and i know a guy with an old oldsmobile with a 455, it will bark the tires doing 65 NOT towing a trailer
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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7/17/2002
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what a gross waste of time. completely pointless. who the fuck cares people. it won't even be quick in the 1/4 WHAT IS THE POINT!!! yawn...zzzzzzz
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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7/17/2002
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That's funny, I was just thinking the same thing about YOU, jackass.
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Hersbird
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7/17/2002
19:11:42
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"worlds fastest deisel sport truck" Hell it will be the slowest deisel Dakota in the US, as it will be the only. What is Banks trying to sell? Ram owners aren't going to be impressed by how fast they can make a Dakota go. Todd Pattersons small block Dakota with no blower, turbo or NOS could reach over 180 MPH in a standing 1/4 mile, I'm quite sure it was capable of much more then 200 MPH on a high speed course. If the Rams shown use 37 in tall tires to be able to run 4.10 gears, then that would be equal to 3.1 gearing with 38 inch tall tire. I'd like to see them fit 36's on a Dakota and go down to the local track. I'm sure they are also using an overdrive to get it to trap at 3500 rpm with that setup. If you wanted to be able to use OD on the gas Dakota example you could now go to 5.90 rear gears and trap at 6500 rpm. If you wanted 36 in tall tires you could use a 7.50:1 rear gear (I'm being fictional here as these ratios don't exist.) In theory that is what would be possible to put them on equal playing fields. The point I am trying to make is that the narrow RPM range just doesn't work well for drag racing. Sure there are some fast 1/4 mile diesels but they are no where near what a gas motor with equal effort will obtain. Now I realize the point of this is not the 1/4 mile, but personally I think the top speed of a car is about the most useless performance measurement, and therefore subscribe to the "what's the point" opnion expressed eariler. It would mean a lot more for banks to show what they are capable of doing to something that people actually own, a Ram Cummings diesel.
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
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7/18/2002
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HEY alex i hope that shit hits u once it hits 195 and starts flipping out of control....lol really people what it the point!!!!
"....but personally I think the top speed of a car is about the most useless performance measurement..." i agree 110 percent. for what that truck probably cost u could go get a gas powered viper and get up to 190 before the diesal crap mobile hits 100. wastful!!! lets see if bernds R/T-2 can do 200...lol that would be interesting
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Jeffster
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7/18/2002
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You can't talk to Hersbird about anything other than 360's being the worlds best engine. He's still upset that he needed that 3rd seat belt so couldn't get a 4.7 5 speed like he orginaly wanted to.
Oh by the way Hersbird a diesl producing 600 HP and 1400lb's of TQ will kick the snot out of a 360 producing 600 HP and around 700lb's of TQ. Just ask your buddy Tourquemonster. there's no replacment for TQ. You are really taking your love affair of your 5.9 R/T to the point where you are completly blinded by anything other than that engine.
I can easily admit if I could swap out my 4.7 for a Cummins I'd do it in a heart beat. For a 5.9L however not a chance.
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alex
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7/18/2002
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Well, from what I've read, neither Hersbird or LlBitch are in the 13's in the quarter, neither of them can break 117 top speed, and neither of them can tow over about 2000 lbs, and neither of them gets over about 16 mpg on the highway.
I'm not sure what either of their points is. I think they just love to come here and whine a lot.
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yates-in-de
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7/18/2002
09:47:09
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UUHHH. What?
It takes people developing and engineering hi speed, top end vehicles to make any advances in bottom end and mid range performance. It's the left hand washing the right hand. Even if it's diesel, the things they learn about power, gearing, aerodynamics, etc. will make the difference next month (next month hypathetical could be next year) in our available, usable performance parts.
And we can say the same about people that develop parts and equipment for the low end helping them set speed records.
Now I hope that no-one here sees this as people flamin', if ya know what I mean.
Later,
My VW Killer
Lynn
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HSKR
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7/18/2002
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From what I've heard, Banks will be offering a deisel conversion for the Dakota depending on the test results. As far as 1/4 times with a deisel and the Banks 200mph+ Dak, I have sen many full size dually deisels at the track turning low 14 sec to high 13 sec times with just the stock turbo, PCM, and propane injection. Let's see a gas burner do the same?? The amount of torque the deisel makes at the low RPMs will make it pull good in the 1/4, and you can gear a 1/4 mile car just as easy as a top speed car. It all depends on what you want for the end result. I know I wouldn't want to race the Banks Dakota in my R/T for money because I can almost guarantee they would beat me in the street trim. They are going to use it to tow their equiptment to the track, change differentials(gears) and tires, and run top speed.Sure the set up tey use for top speed woud suck in the 1/4, but I'm sure the street/towing set up they have will smoke a lot of cars/trucks on the street. You can't look at just one situation to determine the ability of a vehicle. They are setting it up for straight lie top speed, but they coudl just as easily throw on different gears and a performance suspension and road race, or differnet gears, and slicks and run in the 1/4. Depends on what you want.
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Hersbird
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7/19/2002
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Well Alex and Jeffster really nice reverting to personal attacks, I guess when people try and present a logical argument and make sense, some people just have to resort to emotions. I'm quite sure my Dakota will run well over 117 MPH exactly as it is sitting right now in the garage. How much over who knows as the speedo gets buried a long time. Maybe I can't run in the 13's but I'm also quite sure I'm well into the 14's and I don't have a turbo on my 5.9 liters like the cummings does!
Brian, you can the cummings for the 1/4 mile, which was what I was trying to show. To trap at 135 MPH with a 3500 rpm redline, 28" tall tires, and no OD you need the 2.0:1 rear gears. If you had a 6500 rpm redline like in a well built gas motor, you could use twice the gears, effectively doubling the torque. While I do agree torque rules, you need to make it at as high an RPM as possible for drag racing to get the most effect from it. I'd like to see Banks set their Dakota up for the best possible 1/4 mile run just to see their times. I bet it is no where close to what a pro-built gas Dakota is capable of, therefore I'm sure you will never see Banks even try a single 1/4 mile pass.
I'd say that new 5.7 hemi is the worlds best commonly (or at least will soon be) available engine. Then again it's basically a 360 with hemi heads!
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LI Blackdak
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7/19/2002
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damn hersbird they grouped you with me!!! thats kind of rough dont you think!!! leave the poor guy alone! he doesn't even like me...lol. grouped with the infamous li blackbitch....hard to take. ahahahahahaha u guys are loads of fun
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Chris
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7/19/2002
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Hersbird:
I agree that rpm range makes a big difference in the 1/4. But wasn't you that a few months back had a discussion with me that torque, not hp makes a vehicle accelerate faster? You seem to be contradicting yourself... Being Diesel does not mean being slow on the 1/4. Take for an example the 3/4 ton Silverado: during a side by side test on Motor Trend, a 4wd Duramax Diesel was only .2 sec slower in the 1/4 than a 8.1 L 2wd. That besides the fact that it had 40 less hp and weighed 708lbs more. The reason? Torque and torque band. The Duramax makes 65 lb/ft more at 1400 rpm lower.
Back to the Dakota, Banks wants to show that they are capable of making something that is reliable (towed a trailer all the way there) and fast at the same time. Why a Dakota? Who cares? It is cool, and if I had enough money I would definately buy one. Besides, it would probably beat anybody here in the 1/4 if it was so set up to do.
Sorry for the long post, but I can't stand people that knock other people's effort down just because it isn't what they want! (this comment not directed at anyone in particular)
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