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Hersbird
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7/19/2002
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My argument before applied to an apples to apples comparision where the two motors made the torque over a similar RPM range, just one made more of it. Basically it reverts to an "area under the torque curve", geometry type deal. Draw the torque curves up on the same graph and shade in the area under the working RPM range, (1000-3500 in a diesel, and 1000-6000 in a gas) whatever have the biggest shaded area is the winner. With the proper set up of course.
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R/Tinker
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7/19/2002
07:06:08
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Boys first of all if you think that this is the only one being done its not... I am a Cummins Kid and that is all we do around here but i have ventured off and am getting a dak for the 1/4 mile. But back to the subject... I was in Indiana for whats called Thunder in Muncie, its a big diesel get-to-gether and i saw a dak there at the show and shine and thought to myself what in the HE!! is he doing here does he not know that this is a DIESEL show?? Then i took a look under the hood and to my amazement they had stuck a 5.9 liter Cummins under there which is the same as in the Rams. Lets put it this way. He raced another souped up ram Cummins on the track and blew his doors off.. he was running 9's in the 1/4!!!!! but you can also get a 4 cylinder cummins for about a grand and you can get more horsepower out of it than any of us need in our trucks and it will fit. That dak had to put the radiator, battery and electric fans in the bed! Our two diesels that we have now are only sitting on about 900 hp in our pulling truck and about 500 hp in the street truck. check out the website and see what we do.
www.quaethemmotorsports.com
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alex
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7/19/2002
08:48:52
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Hersbird, if you presented rational and well thought-out arguements, I wouldn't have to resort to personal attacks. But you always come in here and somehow manage to argue that the 5.9 liter gas motor is the best motor ever invented. It's always the same with you.
This is a thread about a Dakota that's being built with a diesel motor to set a top speed record, and you come in and talk about how useless that test is. Then you start off on some rant about higher RPM's and gearing in the 1/4 mile and how this truck should never even be taken to a drag strip. But that pretty much flies in the face of your standard arguement that the 5.9 liter gas motor makes more torque than any of the other Dodge truck motors and that torque is awesome. Well, this Banks Dakota is making 1000 ft-lbs of torque at well under 3500 rpm. I don't see where any of that Super Gas Dakota crap comes into play here.
This project truck is being built to set a top-speed record, set a drag racing record, and compete in slalom competitions. I have a feeling it will be able to slap around ANY Super Gas Dakota that you can dream up. Mostly because it will be street legal, it will tow its own freakin equipment to every event, and it will get 20 mpg while doing it.
Maybe you should follow the posted link and look at the whole Project Sidewinder website.
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Hersbird
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7/19/2002
20:07:52
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well I went back and spent some time reading the website, I had read part of it before, and had seen some stuff on it in another magazine. I don't know where you guys are getting this 1000 ft-lb stuff that truck is making 393 HP and 600 ft lbs at the motor. They have a chitload of money in it to do that. The thing is completely hacked apart and redone. It needs to have a lot of parts changed out to go from tow, to top speed, to street truck, it just doesn't "do it all". My point is the exact same performance in all areas could be done with a gas motor for much, much less then they are spending on this truck. I think the viper motor conversion Dakotas cost less to build then this thing. I'm looking forward to seeing the results, I'm sure it will be fast on the salt, I'm sure it can tow a trailer with some parts and tires, but I really doubt it will be much in the 1/4 mile and on any autocross track. I didn't say the top speed test is worthless, just that it's the least valuable of performance tests. Sorry that this offends some people so much, it just my opnion. Gob forbid a Dakota owner love Dakota motors on a Dakota site.
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Jeffster
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7/19/2002
22:01:25
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Well Hershy you are flat wrong about the HP and TQ dyno numbers. Go back and read again. The numbers you are quoting are the baseline numbers for that engine as it arived to them from Cummins.
They have taken that Cummins engine and highly modified it. The dyno numbers for the modified diesl are not posted but having seen the stuff they put on it I wouldn't be surprised if it was around 1,500lb's.
That engine is SWEET!! and will kick both our but's silly no matter what we do to our motors.
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Hersbird
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7/20/2002
21:13:42
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Oh this just keeps getting better! So they don't even use the standard motor that comes in a Ram, they get a stronger motor directly from Cummings? Then they proceed to dump tons more work into it, including completely different turbos, engine cooling, and intercooler systems depending on where they plan on using the truck. They are planning on only making about 600-700 Hp. I'm quite sure there are plenty of gas small blocks out there making much more then that, many w/o even the addition of boost or NOS. Sure many of those motors are in the realm of high dollar, professionally built motors but I think that's the same catagory this Cummings is in as well.
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Chris
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7/20/2002
23:01:14
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Hersbird:
What is your problem? Why do you feel the need to put down such an effort? Do you have personal issues against Diesel engines? Who cares if anyone can take a small block and make it put out 600hp... Anyone can do that in about a day of shopping on the internet. Making gas engines is old news! Good but old news. Now Diesel is a different story. It is much more efficient than gas and a still fairly unexplored potential as far as racing goes.
Another thing, Cummins makes the ISB engine in various levels of tunning. Just because it came from the factory with more power does not mean it isn't the same engine. It only meant that Banks did not have to change it more than they did.
Pipe down, will you....
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DingDong
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7/20/2002
23:08:06
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Hersbird has flown the coop.
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Coo coo
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7/21/2002
03:30:09
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Yep, he's completly flipped his lid.
I still don't know of any 5.9L coming right from the factory stock either with 1,400lb's of TQ.
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Dak-five-oh
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7/21/2002
10:17:13
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The truck is cool. I am not all that interested in running at the flats and it isn't my thing but I will definitly give respect to the guys that built it. I would never consider lowering my 4x4 or buying a truck that was but even still I have all the respect for the guys that do. that is my point just because something isn't your thing dosen't mean you can't like it. Have respect for the guys that take their trucks and make them something different. Most of us here have, and those that haven't are planing on it. Its just a matter of self expression. Arguing engines is useless because with enough money you can make most any engine do what you want. Diesels don't rev high, OK they make loads of torque low in the band. Gas engines suffer from lower torque in the bottom but the can rev alot higher, remember HP is only a measure of (tq x RPM)/5252 And if you still want to argue I think we can all agree if you want to go fast nitromethane is the way to go.
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