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mike1
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5/23/2002
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i have an 2002 r/t. i have a powerdyne s/c #6 and msd btm, 50mm flowmetric. need 2 more 24# injectors. right now i will be installing when i get 2500-3000 miles on it. i am really worried about blowing headgasket, bellypan gasket. i dont really want to rip apart the engine yet. i dont have $ for the mm1 ethier. I will run 6# for now but really want the 9#. try to get some headers but there $$$$. please give me your input
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kevster
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5/23/2002
09:14:27
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Wait till the warranty runs out at 36,000 on the motor, then install blower, if you install blower any other goodies, the warranty is VOID. And Dodge will be Jerks about this. I am sure you are aware of this.
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mike1
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5/23/2002
09:46:05
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i will not be waiting till the warrenty is up. i will never reach those mile any time soon.
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Bill Smith
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5/23/2002
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just remember, your warrenty is 3 years OR 36000 miles.... WHICHEVER comes FIRST. you may need your warrenty on down the road. might be worth holdin off for a while... BUT hey, its your truck! go for it !
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kota on 20s
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5/24/2002
01:04:36
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the powerdyne is easy to install, so it should be just as easy to uninstall.
if you have a warenty issue, just take it off before you go to the dealer.
if you are worried about blowing a gasket, dont go to 9#'s and get a blow off valve.
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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drtswinger
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5/26/2002
17:26:30
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just take everything off they will never know. :0) i got the same setup, and it would be easy to say it was never there. Since the dealers screw us, we'll screw them.
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drtswinger
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5/26/2002
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just take everything off they will never know. :0) i got the same setup, and it would be easy to say it was never there. Since the dealers screw us, we'll screw them.
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Big59er
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5/28/2002
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I'd Just say dont install the Blower right away for the simple fact its better to break a motor in alittle before you hit it hard like that.
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Dr0p0ff
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5/28/2002
09:38:21
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u don't need 12,000miles of break in.
and "let the warranty run out"?!?! u mean.. and NOT have the pleasure of driving a NEW vehicle with better than stock performance? that's what it's all about for some people. i do see where you're comin from though kevster.
Keep On Truckin!
Sgt G
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mike1
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5/28/2002
09:46:10
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i have 500 on it now dont intend to install blower for a week or two. i mean its just sitting there ready to wine. well i got the advice dont fix it if it not broken
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joel
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5/28/2002
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If your worried about reliability adding a supercharger isn't the right way to go.
Joel
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kota on 20s
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5/28/2002
16:57:36
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why would it be unreliable? i know a guy who has a supercharged 408 R/T for his daily driver with no problems, and his wife has a durango with a blower, 2.02 heads, blower cam, M-1, and so on, and that also runs fine.
just set it up RIGHT and you will not have a problem
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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joel
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5/28/2002
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I was speaking only in mikes case. Setting it up right would include some upgrades in addition to the kit.
Joel
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Twelve2ndR/T
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5/28/2002
23:20:35
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Mike,
This is gonna be kinda long, but i hope it helps, this is coming from experience. Head gaskets are inevitable, you are only gonna get away with it for so long, whether you are running 5psi or 10psi. Keep it cool, dont let it detonate and they should last for a while. Mine lasted for about a year before they went, keep your eye on the coolant, and at the slightest hint of coolant loss, change the gaskets, dont let water in the oil, kiss your bearings bye bye when that happens. Keep a check on the spark plugs, if its burning coolant, the plugs will be steam cleaned, but if its bad enough, you will have white smoke coming from the tailpipe. Also, if you think they are bad, pull the rad. cap while its running and look for bubbles in the coolant.
As for the reliability, i have been running mine for 2 years now with no probs (knock on wood). There have been some bad seeds, but thats gonna happen.
I ran mine for about a month without a pair of headers, and it was fast, but the headers woke it up. One thing that you forgot to mention is some type of ignition retard, definitly get one of them because you are gonna need it man, if you dont have one that is a definite blown head gasket. If you have any more questions, ask away.
Anthony
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Twelve2ndR/T
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5/28/2002
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Sorry, you did mention the BTM, missed that part.
Anthony
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Joel
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5/28/2002
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Twelve2ndR/T, thanks for that post ;)
Joel
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mike1
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5/29/2002
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thanks for all the info i think ill be putting it on this weekend also you have to run 93 octane right
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Joel
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5/29/2002
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Yes, never put low octane in there because it could cause detonation/pinging.
Later on when you start running more boost, the higher octane will allow more boost if you can get it.
Some guys even mix chemicals from the paint store to get high octane fuel ;) The octane boosters in the store only raise the octane by a point or so which is a thenth, I.E .1 or .2.
Joel
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mike1
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5/29/2002
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what about the belly pan gasket i blew that thing all the time on my v-6. does it go as easy on the r/t
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Twelve2ndR/T
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5/29/2002
22:01:57
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Mike and Joel, im glad it helped out. Yes, always run a good gas, i dont know where you live, so i dont know what the octane ratings are around your area, where i live in PA i can get 94 at the pump. Dont go crazy with the octane, you can go too high and will wind up hurting you more than helping.
As for the belly pan, you might as well change that before you do the blower, that is definitely gonna blow, guys blow them without a supercharger, imagine what positive pressure does. If you have the money, install an M1, not only is there no belly pan gasket to blow, it reduces detonation drastically. If you cant afford one (which is understandable, believe me) call Kenne Bell, they make a wire backed plenum gasket that is much stronger, i used one and never had a problem, i think i paid about 25 for it. Later.
Anthony
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mike1
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5/29/2002
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i really want to try and get the m-1 but i dont know. i guess i will have to change that soon. also where in PA. who now maybe iam just around the corner. West Chester
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Joel
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5/29/2002
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If you can't afford the M-1, just upgrade the gastket. ITs not hard, it would only take 1/2 day. The belly pan gasket bolts torque to in-lbs. Not ft-lbs, guess how I know that ;)
Joel
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EyeTrip
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5/30/2002
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I used the stock belly pan gasket, but I used a little bit of red (high temp) RTV. It's been working just fine with 6# boost. As for the head gaskets, I'm sure you can "get away with" the stock ones. The main killer is detonation. The oil from the belly pan is your worst nightmare and yes they do blow easily. Next is not retarding the spark under boost.
I lost my head gaskets from blown pan gasket and FMU not working with stock injectors, So it leaned out with oil. Yes it pinged like hell!!!
I replaced mine with Mopar performance head gaskets, and then bought the FelPro 1008 and ARP stud kit thinking that the mopar gaskets would let go. They are still holding just fine.
It's just my findings
I hope it helps
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Big59er
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5/30/2002
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Kota are you talking about Damon Blumenstien? If was reading the R/T rumble this month and his truck is in there. It talks about how he has problems with head gaskets from time to time.
The bottom line is that if your going to take the blown course or the turbo'ed course you need to be prepared for the reprocutions that come with all of that power.
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Big59er
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5/30/2002
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And of course I, the individual always on the tail end of things, just realized that head gaskets have already been covered prior to my comment :P
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kota on 20s
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5/30/2002
13:10:33
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Big59er, no, im talking about Scott.
Ryan, Todd, and another guy is running the paxton novi 2000 kits and running 10-11 lbs of boost on the stock head gaskets (im sure there would be more, but the paxton kit was just released). Ryan takes his to the track about every weekend, and still has not had a probem.
a few vortech owners are on their stock gaskets also.
its not boost that kills the gaskets, its detonation. if the fuel system is properly matched to the boost and the timing is right, you have no problems. oh yeah, ryan just AutoX'd his truck with the mopar PCM at 10#'s too.
if you doubt that these guy are running these numbers on the stock gaskets go to www.blackdakrt.com and read the message boards. im sure the guys will answer any questions about the fuel system you need to know.
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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Twelve2ndR/T
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5/30/2002
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Kota on 20's, I dont know who ryan is, but todd is not on stock head gaskets, he is running the 1008 head gaskets, he changed them when he did the heads.
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Twelve2ndR/T
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5/30/2002
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Mike, you are right around the corner, i live about 25 minutes from you dude. I live in West Grove, but i work in Kennett Square which you might know a little better. This is weird man, a friend and i just installed a blower and M1 on another friends truck last friday night, he is about 10 minutes from you, lives right off 202 in wilmington. You can email me anytime at Dakotamaster13@aol.com, and if you do i will give you my cell # if you run into any problems with the install. I would come and help but i have to work until 12 on saturday, and then i have to pull the intake and change the lifters out, 2 of them are collapsed, i put new ones in when i did the heads/cam/intake/Roller Rockers but i guess some were bad, oh well. Take care.
Anthony
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kota on 20s
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5/30/2002
17:07:37
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this is the Todd im talking about.
http://blackdakrt.com/pics/gallery/todd's_2000_paxton.jpg
he is running stock everything. (heads, manifold, cam, injectors, and everything else.)
the only thing that he has done to the engine, is the blower, and headers. i seen him 2 weeks agao.
there is another Todd, with a white R/T, and he just put a paxton on like a week agao, but i dont know what he has done to his truck.
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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Twelve2ndR/T
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5/30/2002
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My bad, wrong Todd.
Anthony
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mike1
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5/31/2002
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was that a dakota he installed those mods on. we should propable meet up some times not alot r/t around my way one or two
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