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RubiconRunner
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From what I hear the new 2003 Dodge diesel will have synthetic engine oil from the factory with extended oil change intervals. Sounds what I've been advising! And I know how often you listen to me. More and more manufactures are seeing the value of synthetic oil. That's the recommended oil for the new all-aluminum V-8 in the 2002 Ford Explorer and 2003 Expedition. With the stress that diesels put on your transmissions, auto and manual, synthetic oil will help cool, shift easier and lubricate faster in cold weather.
Is it time to consider AMSOIL or one of the others?
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bernd
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5/06/2002
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2001+ models already use a semi-synthetic in the automatics (ATF+4).
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Be Aware
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5/08/2002
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BE CAREFUL:
Not all Synthetic Oils are TRUELY Synthetic.
To quote an expert:
In 1999 the National Advertising Division (NAD) of the council of Better Business Bureau ruled in a debate of what is "synthetic". Mobil challenged Castrol's replacement of polyalphaolefins (PAO's) with hydroisomerized waxes in their synthetic formulations. The Bureau ruled in Castrols favor and allowed them to call this hydroisomerized processed petroleum oil a synthetic. The NAD ruled that synthetic was just a marketing term since there was no true definition of what synthetic is. Since then many oil companies have replaced their True Synthetics with this highly refined petroleum oil in place of the more expensive True Synthetic PAO's. These new highly refined petroleum oils are better in quality and performance than the cheaper refined oils, but only come close in some parameters to a True synthetic oil and are cheaper to manufacture.
There is a growing place in the market place for these new oils, as the bar keeps raising in regards to motor oil improvements required for new engines. They will never be able to measure up to the parameters of hot and cold temperatures that True Synthetics can safely handle though.
TRUE 100% Synthetics offer TRUE protection!!!
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DakAttack
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5/12/2002
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Many Car and Truck manufacturers (Mercedes, Ford, Dodge, Exotics, etc.)are now delivering vehicles with synthetics and/or synthetic blends to dealerships. The advanced lubricity of Synthetic Oils has been proven to decrease wear and increase fuel economy by betwen 2% and 5% by reducing friction and allowing your engine to use its heat-energy more efficiently. Additionally, you can save money with longer drain intervals.
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IndustryXpert
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I believe the whole point of using a Premium Synthetic Oil is peace of mind. I like knowing that I can trust the oil in my car to protect my engine. I like knowing that 100,000 or 200,000 or even 300,000 miles down the road, I won’t necessarily have to start looking for another vehicle (unless I’m ready, and I want to). I also like knowing that when 20,000 miles rolls around, I still have a few thousand miles left to find time to change the oil.
I used to be a pretty regular 3,000 mile oil changer. I had a very hard time believing that an oil could possibly last longer than 5,000 or at best 7,000 miles. Changing at 3,000 miles was very safe and “assured” me of no mechanical breakdowns.
When I started looking at Synthetics, my perspective changed a little. I figured, if I was going to go out and spend over $20,000 for a new truck, I wanted to get the most for my money. Just protecting against breakdown for a couple hundred thousand miles wasn’t enough. I don’t take my truck to the mechanic and hope he doesn’t break it. I take my truck to the mechanic so that he can make it better. The same can be true of your oil.
Let’s talk about oil changes first. If it’s necessary to change oil every 3,000 to 5,000 miles, then so be it. We should just do it, and accept that it’s an integral part of keeping our vehicles from breaking down.
But, if it’s not necessary, why do it? Just because our Dad did? My Dad used to listen to 8-track tapes too. Now we’ve got these nifty little CD’s that sound clear as a bell and last pretty much forever. Am I going to listen to 8-track tapes? Probably not. I don’t change my oil every 3,000 miles anymore either.
Thank You
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RTjohn
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I was under the impression a full synthetic is not good for a new engine? Are these synthetic blends from the factory? I know in our superbikes, streetbikes, and snowmobiles we never use a full synthetic until after a full break-in period. Let me hear some opinions on this!
RTjohn
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IndustryXpert
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Motorcycle-specific oils have become one of the premier parts department cash cows.
Clutch slippage in motorcycles is mostly caused by deposit and varnish buildup on clutch faces. Oils with inferior thermal and oxidative stability or inadequate detergent/dispersant packages allow the accumulation of varnish and deposits.
Engines and transmissions in motorcycles are no more subject to the metal-to-metal contact inhibited by anti-wear additives than are their automotive counterparts - and you can bet the Big Three aren't sacrificing engines - or warranty budgets - to insufficient levels of anti-wear additives.
Furthermore, now that a number of motorcycles are catalytic converter-equipped, motorcycle oils and automotive oils contain virtually the same amount of ZDP, the phosphorus-containing anti-wear additive.
The finest oils for motorcycle lubrication are those that possess superior thermal and oxidative stability and robust detergent/dispersant packages, to ensure varnish-free, deposit-free performance for superior wet clutch cleanliness. Their superior anti-wear chemistry has been proven in the lab, on the road, and on the Race Track.
It is the Industry opinion that you should always break in an engine with an oil from the factory. This allows the engine to break in the fastest. If you use an oil that reduces wear better than most oils, you slow the process. Also it is best to use the factory oil to clean the motor of residual assembly material that is in the motor during that first 1,000 miles or so and then go to the Synthetics.
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FleetDakOwner
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I have 12 Dakotas on my service lot as fleet vehicles. Does anyone know where I can order 100% synthetic oil factory direct by the barrel?
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mdandl
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5/14/2002
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Fleetdakowner
Amsoil has it
1997 Dakota Sport RC V6, Magenta, Dynomax Ultra Flow, K&N, APC Clear Corners, NR White Face Gauges, Mopar Boards, rails and Others to come
2000 Dakota Sport RC V6
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Art
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5/14/2002
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Check out LE oil, lubrication engineers
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FYI
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5/14/2002
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My Father owns an 80 acre farm and orders Amsoil
by the drum (here are their prices).
I think that you can become a preferred customer for
$20 year or $10 for 6 month trial and recieve up to 25% off
these retail prices.
Check with a dealer to find out for sure.
I took these prices right from the catalog and
my Uncle does the ordering so I don't know the
exact discounts that are available.
SAE 5W-30 or 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
30-gallon drum - $510.00
SAE 5W-30 or 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
55-gallon drum - $901.00
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Dr.D
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5/15/2002
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To: whoever posted FYI
I contacted the guy who has the Amsoil ad on this site and he really worked with me on getting the absolute best price for me on Amsoil and he gave me some tips on how to get discounts on frieght, Volume purchases, etc.
I was buying from another source and paying more than what I should have, and I had been doing that for years.
I own a Commercial Lawncare Business and I am constantly looking for products that work better and last longer and Amsoil does last longer, protect better and cost less to use.
I have a pile of literature from different oil companies and I have been approached by several salesman due to the fact that I own a business that relies on fuel and lubricants so heavily and to be honest with you NOBODY has done more for my company and my equipment than Amsoil has.
Dr.D
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To FleetDakOwner .... Keep all of us here
posted on the fuel economy numbers and also
let us know how much you save on oil changes
throughout the next year when you make the
switch.
I wish I had twelve DAKS to drive !!!
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AmsoilSponsor
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5/17/2002
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Amsoil Diesel Oils for consideration
Series 3000 Synthetic 5W-30 Heavy Duty Diesel Oil
Fuel efficient formula for both gasoline and diesel fleets. Deliver up to 82 percent greater wear protection than other popular diesel oils. Series 3000 resists oil breakdown from heat, blow-by chemicals and oxygen up to ten times longer than conventional oils
SAE 15W-40 Synthetic Heavy Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil
AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil surpasses the European ACEA and North American SAE oil specifications for high temperature/high shear (HTHS) viscosity. It is significantly more shear stable than conventional motor oils, retaining its viscosity at temperatures and loads that break down conventional oils. AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil maintains an extremely protective viscosity of greater than 3.7 cP at 302°F (150°C) in the ASTM D-4683 High Temperature/High Shear Test, exceeding the test limits.
Synthetic SAE 30 Diesel Oil
A super heavy-duty diesel lubricant chemically designed for use in commercial and industrial applications where requirements call for a CF, CF-2 or SH lubricant. AMSOIL Diesel Oil is recommended for virtually every diesel application, including truck fleets, mining, earth moving, farming and stationary engines. In every engine tested (including Detroit Diesel, Caterpillar, Cummins and Mack), the advanced 12 TBN additive system of AMSOIL Diesel Oil significantly reduced ring wear, cylinder bore polishing, cylinder liner wear, oil consumption, piston deposits and ring breakage. The extended drain intervals allowable with AMSOIL Diesel Oil reduce vehicle downtime and waste oil disposal costs.
For further information or free catalog
contact me at sroark@american-synthetic-oil.com
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AmsoilSponsor
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To: RubiconRunner:
Some of my posts are direct from the brochure (informative) and some are my own (helpful). I don't want to be accused of too much hype here but want to offer as much advice as possible.
I was born in the SouthEast and now live in NYC. I graduated University (paid my own way working three part time jobs) and now work as an Investment Banker for 38 states(Public Finance - Schools, Roads, Bridges, etc., and Venture Capital). My day job requires NETWORKING (who you know and what you know) and like all businessmen I ask my clients to refer their friends (a.k.a. multilevel marketing).
So there is nothing wrong with either one ... we all do it.
As for being an Amsoil Dealer ... It is a great product, it is one of my hobbies, and I do it part time on the weekends. I don't like all of Amsoils sales pitches ... but I don't like all of the commercials I see on TV everyday either.
I don't own stock in Mobil, Redline, Castrol or any of the other oil companies so I don't promote their products to make the stockholders wealthier.
I offer Amsoil which puts money directly in my pocket, and into the pockets of Dealers I have introduced to the Amsoil opportunity ... yes, I am trying to sell Amsoil ... as it provides me with a nice second income.
In closing - YES, many car and truck manufacturers are now delivering new vehicles with synthetic oils as the industry is moving in that direction. Use whatever brand of 100% TRUE Synthetic chemical based motor oil and lubricant you want to. The true synthetics are pure with no impurities in the oil where petroleums will have sometimes as much as 30% impurities in their oil. True synthetics have higher ranges of temperature that they can handle than petroleum and give better performance and protection.
Thank you for your time today.
Steven
www.american-synthetic-oil.com
sroark@american-synthetic-oil.com
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CanaDak
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5/22/2002
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We are all running Amsoil 0W-30
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Daryl
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I been using Quaker state 4X4 semi-synthetic since day one. i love it
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BarrelBottom
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I've got a friend whose grandfather
owns oil wells. It is the lowest grade
crude and the only buyer for that quality
is Quaker State.
Look in an engine that has been run with
Quaker State for 80,000+ miles and then
tell me what you think of their oils.
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Dr. D
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5/22/2002
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Semi-Synthetics to me are never a bargain because
the price difference between partial and fully
Synthetic Oil is very little.
Dr. D
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DakDakDakDak
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Most major oil companies (including OEM) are slighting consumers because the base stocks and additives packages are the minimum quality needed to pass specs (which may be the case with Mopar - do your own check as I don't know and don't want to bash unintentionally).
Therefore, the proliferation of SYNTHETICS for "better" performance. As is the case, consumers are wiseing up and demanding 100% TRUE Synthetics in their new trucks, and as replacement fluids.
Manufacturers get consumers preferences at auto shows, surveys, etc., and that is why you are seeing new vehicles with synthetics from the factory ... consumers (you and me) are demanding it.
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DonnieDak
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Hey BarrelBottom,
I got friends in Colorado that told me the same story about 7 years ago. Quaker State was buying such a low grade they were only paying about 60% of the going ppb (price per barrel) for quality crude. It was like $12 vs $20 at that time. We did a test in auto shop to see if we could determine quality and Q. State became gunk.
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UTOYPIA
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5/28/2002
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What synthetic brand do you all recommend? Would it truly be better than conventional oil?
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CaliforniaDak
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ACTUAL MILEAGE VS. ENGINE MILEAGE.
I believe it should be noted somewhere that an engines mileage will be different than the odometer mileage.
Example: I drive my truck 17 miles to my office, and don't drive it on the weekends. 17 miles each way times two times a day = 34 miles per day times 250 work days per year = 8,500 miles per year.
17 miles X 2 trips = 34 X 250 days = 8,500 ODOMETER MILES
However, my "time" on the road is 1 hour each way (bumper to bumper) times two trips per day = 500 hours per year (# of hours engine is running). If I were driving 60 miles per hour for those SAME 500 hours, I would travel 30,000 miles in that same time frame where I am traveling only 8,500 miles in actual distance.
1 hour x 2 trips x 250 days x 60 mph = 30,000 miles
When considering engine protection don't just look at the odometer ... think of the hours and how far you would have traveled. I too believe that the whole point of using a Premium Synthetic Oil is peace of mind. I like knowing that I can trust the oil in my car to protect my engine whether it shows 8,500 miles on the odometer or 30,000 miles on the clock.
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Dr. D
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5/28/2002
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Find the AMSOIL banner on this site, click on it
and request a free catalog and when that dealer
contacts you ask him for some customer referances.
After looking over the catalog and talking to some
AMSOIL customers you will know the answers to your
questions.
Dr. D
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Daryl
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AMSOIL is not avaliable at any store here in Los Angeles..
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handi2
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Quaker State is no better now than it was in the 70's. I was working on engines then and you wouldn't believe the sludge and gunk inside of the oil passages. The oil pans would have at least one halve inch of sludge stuck on the bottom.
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Dr. D
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5/29/2002
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Daryl,
That is exactly why I became an AMSOIL Preferred
Customer, Now I just order out of my catalog using the
toll free number and then my order appears on the
doorstep
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FYI
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Synthetic Oils vs. Conventional:
A true chemical based synthetic oil is designed, not refined so it has only the ingredients needed.
Petroleum oil takes a filthy crude oil from the ground and keeps cooking (refining) off the undesirables until they get the compromised product that they are satisfied with. This oil is only 70% clean with 30% of impurities and undesirables left in it and then you finish the refining process in your vehicle. With synthetic oil it is 100% pure.
Now there is another type of synthetic oil being sold by all the major oil companies. It is a hydro-cracked processed oil made of 100% petroleum oil, which is a much cleaner product than regular oil and comes close to the true synthetic chemical based oils parameters.
Where synthetic oils shine is in the higher temperatures and even lower temperatures that they can lubricate at. This is why they were designed for Jet engines. We would not have jet engines and space vehicles if it wasn't for synthetic oils.
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utoypia
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FYI, so which brand to you suggest>?
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FYI
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Utoypia,
I was just throwing my 2 cents worth in for info.
I have been working with a jet manufacturing company (still in the R&D stage and wind tunnel testing) to help get them to "first flight" and certification. Due to fact that their "key technology" is the design of a "new" type of jet engine (smaller and more powerful)... I have spoken to and/or visited perhaps every jet aircraft company and jet engine company in the U.S. and Europe, yes including the big guys like Rolls, G.E., etc., and the smaller ones like Williams, etc.
The ability to build and profitably sell a $1.2 million TWIN-ENGINE jet is mostly due to the fact that new "smaller and MORE powerful" engines have been designed. Therefore we are always talking lubrication.
This manufacturer is planning to build a 5 seater personal jet that will sell for ONLY $1.2 million when the nearest competitor is $3 million.
If you would like to place an order let me know. I get a 5% commission for each one that I sell.
Thank You,
And for personal reasons I will not make any recommendations. But to quote the "old sage" on Indiana Jones ... "Choose Wisely".
FYI
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FYI Dads Day
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6/16/2002
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Good Morning All Dak Owners.
It's me, the same guy as above that has been working with a jet manufacturing company for the last four years. Utoypia asked me a question that I avoided because I did not want to appear to be "endorsing" a particular brand. But afterwards I asked myself ...why not?
So here goes. AMSOIL.
It's good enough for Chuck Yaeger (former jet test pilot) for all the X-type "faster than the speed of sound" experimental jets. Chuck was the first to break the sound barrier. Chuck uses Amsoil and is an Amsoil Dealer himself.
By the way, the company I work for is registered as an Amsoil Commercial Account and we order it in drums and they deliver it to our doorstep. We use all the Amsoil products (by the case) and find our dealer and tech to be some of the most friendly and helpful people around.
And I would like to make another plug. Why not?
I am a "newby" to this forum. I came by invite of my Amsoil dealer (the guy with the ad on the home page, or www.american-synthetic-oil.com) to assist in offering technical answers to lubrication questions. Yes, I was asked to participate and answer questions WITHOUT "endorsing" a particular product and WITHOUT "bashing" anyone elses products. So up until now I just made generic (but hopefully helpful)comments.
But here I am, showing my hand? Why not? Maybe because it's Fathers Day and I have a new son and feel that honesty is the best thing that I have to offer him as he grows up.
I contact Steven all the time and he contacts me too (he travels a lot so it's almost always via email- sroark@american-synthetic-oil.com ) when we have a question that we don't readily have the answer to.
Thank You and Happy Fathers Day to all the Fathers!
Bob
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utoypia
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Hey, thanks FYI. So, anyone have any ideas on oil filter to use?
I have used Fram Double Guard (black filter with Teflon) and thew new Fram Xtra Guard (the new one that is $10.00)
Any others prefered?
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