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Stylin_Dak
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4/04/2001
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Has anyone heard of PVI Tech? They have a product called a platinum vapour injector, and they make great claims on gas mileage and performance. I am wondering if it actually works and if it has any negative effects on the engine or warranty. Their web site is www.pvitech.com Does anyone have any thoughts?
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Bernd
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4/04/2001
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Personally, stick with increasing the VE% (volumetric efficiency) of the engine first. Once that has been accomplished, then look at the fine tuning.
A lot of the aftermarket water/catalyst injection systems have worked...but look at the market for them...really slim. 10-cents/litre isn't a big savings...maybe over a period of a year...but not in the interim.
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
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RonW
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4/04/2001
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I don't know, Bernd. I'm reading that this results in a super clean engine because of the complete burn theory. That coupled with my really slippery (quasi) synthetic oil....WOW. I should be able to serve dinner from the tops of my pistons....Hmmm with my engine I could seat 8 people. ;-D
Ron
00 PB SLT QC 4X2 5.9 46RE 3.92 LSD
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Bernd
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4/05/2001
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Heheheheh....cute Ron.
All I can say to all of those gimmicks is:
Nothing beats REGULAR MAINTENANCE.
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged w/Nitrous
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Stylin_Dak
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4/05/2001
08:41:11
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Bernd, does that mean you wouldn't try it? In Toronto (where I live) gas prices are $0.70/litre, so a 10-cent saving is pretty big, especially since I drive 700km a week. Also, the cost is fairly cheap. All I'm really worried about is if it will cause anything bad to happen to the engine?
Thank you for your response.
Chris
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Bernd
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4/05/2001
08:57:44
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Personally, I wouldn't put it on my truck (or any of my vehicles). It's your decision though...not mine. ;)
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
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Michael
Dodge Dakota
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5/17/2002
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I installed this system in my vehicle at 177,000 kms and now have 238,000 kms on it. I was very suspicious about their claims, but here is what I found. In cold weather vehicle warms up significantly faster. The engine oil stays cleaner, not jet black, but a light brown color, engine runs smoother and has more pep, and finally I gained about 2-3 miles per gallon in fuel economy from 18-19 to 20-22. I keep records and I am a maintenance freak. A number of friends have been as satisfied. (NO - I do not sell this unit)
Michael - Ontario Canada
1994 Club Cab V6 4X2
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CThomp
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5/17/2002
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Government of Alberta News Release
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For immediate release, Edmonton, April 9, 2001
Consumer Alert- Edmonton company under investigation for fuel saving device
Alberta consumers are cautioned to be wary of an Edmonton-based company selling a device they claim saves on fuel and reduces emissions, says Government Services Minister David Coutts. The company is called PVI International and the device is the Platinum Vapor Injector.
The Competition Bureau of Government of Canada is alleging that certain claims about the Platinum Vapor Injector’s ability to save fuel and reduce emissions were false or misleading, and has applied for an order to prohibit PVI International from promoting the device.
Independent testing done by a variety of agencies and organizations, including the Vehicle Testing Labs of Environment Canada, Consumer Reports, and the Federal Trade Commission (the U.S. National consumer regulator) failed to establish any significant fuel or exhaust savings with respect to this Platinum Vapor Injector. Further more, in recent years the FTC has tested a number of other fuel savings devices and none were found to work as claimed
Before making any purchase, Albertans are advised to ask questions about the device, do research on the item and to be aware of what they are buying. The department advises consumers who have already purchased the Platinum Vapor Injector and have concerns to contact Alberta Government Services’ Consumer Information Centre at:
1-877-427-4088 toll free.
Alberta Government Services will be determining if there has been a breach under the Fair Trading Act (FTA). Under the FTA, possible penalties imposed by a court can include an order prohibiting the sale of the item, court ordered restitution for consumers, a fine of up to $100,000 and/or two years in jail.
In 2000, Alberta Government Services conducted more than 1,600 consumer investigations that resulted in close to $650,000 being returned to Albertans.
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CThomp
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5/17/2002
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Competition Bureau Challenges Representations made about the "Platinum Vapor Injector" Fuel Saving Device
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Ottawa, March 8, 2001 - The Competition Bureau announced today that the Commissioner of Competition has filed an application for an order with the Competition Tribunal to prevent P.V.I. International Inc., Michael Golka and Darren Golka of Edmonton, Alberta from continuing certain marketing practices in the promotion of the Platinum Vapor Injector fuel saving device.
The application is being filed under the deceptive marketing practices provisions of the Competition Act, which prohibit making representations to the public that are false or misleading. The provisions also prohibit making statements about products that are not based on adequate and proper tests, and set out specific requirements for the publication of representations that tests have been made.
The application alleges that certain claims about the Platinum Vapor Injector's ability to save fuel and reduce harmful emissions were false or misleading, and were not based on adequate and proper tests. The application also says that false or misleading representations were made in the promotion of the fuel saving device, which gave the general impression that it had been approved by various levels of Government in Canada and the United States.
"The law says that companies must perform proper tests before they make claims regarding a product's capabilities", stated Konrad von Finckenstein, Commissioner of Competition. "When we believe that a company has failed to comply with the law, we will take action."
The Commissioner is asking the Tribunal to order P.V.I. International Inc., Michael Golka and Darren Golka to cease making certain representations with respect to the Platinum Vapor Injector, to publish a notice and to pay an administrative monetary penalty. The respondents have 30 days to file a response with the Tribunal.
For more information, please contact:
Julie Hébert
Senior Communications Advisor
Communications Directorate, Competition Bureau
(819) 953-4257
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CThomp
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5/17/2002
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http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/ct02139e.html
for the second webpage
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Michael Golka
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3/14/2003
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The catalysts of platinum and rhodium are used in every catalytic convertor to burn unburned hydrocarbons (gas vapor) and carbon monoxide as well as rhodium reducing the formation of oxides of nitrogen. The Platinum Vapor Injector (PVI) delivers these catalysts to the engine combustion chamber through a patented delivery system. Common sense and scientific proof tells us that if the catalytic convertor releases the unreleased energy of the fuel then the catalysts of the PVI will do the same thing, except the energy will be released in the engine where it can be converted into usable work to move your vehicle. Rhenium has a proven ability to raise the octane of fuel, thus allowing timing to be advanced which we all now can help improve performance, reduce engine knock and improve fuel economy if the extra performance is not used by the driver. The US Federal Courts ruled that the PVI is capable of reducing fuel consumption and the advertising used by the developer was not misleading! According to the Canadian government your vehicle changes its ability to burn its fuel more completely when you cross the border from the United States to Canada. The worst part is a Tribunal judge believes them and their expert, the expert that did not bring any test data to prove his opinion that a Canadian engine releases 98 percent of the fuels energy in the combustion chamber. He also stated that combustion efficiency has nothing to do with a vehicles ability to get better MPG in order justify his other statement that no matter what the state of tune of a vehicle it will still burn 98% of its fuel, if you can believe that! Obviously there is a mountain of evidence that proves all of these lies to be lies and we have presented it. All we can hope is that the court system is the independent protection from the government they are suppose to be and straighten out the situation. So don't let anyone convince you you shouldn't try the PVI technology as it is proven science, has hundreds of thousands of happy customers, has been sold for over 2o years, its not controlled by the vested interests(which keeps the price affordable), the governments of both Canada and the United States have unsuccessfully tried to put us out of business, is the only cost-effective CO2 reduction techology for vehicles, comes with a 4 month money-back guarantee and most importantly it does work!!!! Our number is 877-537-7427 or view website testimonials at www.pvitech.com. We hope this helps you with your question.
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Burnt Out
Dodge Dakota
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3/14/2003
16:14:10
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OK Mike,
Send me a sample to try. If it works I'll buy the system. Fair emough?
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Joe
Dodge Dakota
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10/03/2003
20:14:21
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How is the test going? Did you try the product
-Burnt Out? There's a four month customer
satisfaction guarantee full money back refund
offer. And possible fuel savings of up to 40%. I
think it's worth a try.
Joe
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Kevin R
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10/10/2003
18:56:44
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I have used it for 2 years. I have Mazda MPV mini van. Since using it I get 21-23 MPG city and anywhere to 28-31 MPG highway. That is a considerable increase for this model of vehicle.
It gives the vehicle more power and a lot of roar when you boot it.
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Mike Golka
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10/10/2003
18:56:46
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Our company does not send out free product for demonstrations, but we do supply a fuel economy calculator and log book to prove to yourself if the PVI will save you anything. As well, we offer a 4 month money back guarantee on your purchase if you are not completely satisfied. In Canada we are not allowed to say that the PVI does anything, but what does it really matter as you the customer have to be satisfied or you will return it for a full refund. So we put the results in your hands and back our products 100%. When the vested interests are not trying to discredit us we have a return rate that is around 3%. I am sure most companies would be happy with a 97% success rate with their products and customers. I have never repurchased anything in my life that did not work as claimed, have you?Our systems can be order on line at www.lessgas.com or by calling 877-537-7427. We will be happy to help anyone interested in saving money, conserving energy and protecting our environment. It seems the only ones that do not want us to do that is the Canadian government and individuals that continue to resist simple solutions to complicated problems.
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Kowalski
Dodge Dakota
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10/11/2003
06:51:53
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Watch out guys ! Checked out their website; Couldn't tell you if their platinum vapor technology works but watch out for hugely inflated prices. $8 for a $2 tire pressure gauge, $20 for a magnet to stick on your oil filter, and $100 for a vacuum gauge - don't they normally sell for something like $15 ? Oh, but it's got a little pdestal so it will sit on your dash ! Good luck.
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Enslow
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12/06/2003
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I have used the PVI system for the last 2 years. Last summer I failed emissions testing, so I had to remove the TB to check the EGR passages. They were 1/3 clogged with carbon deposits, and the intake was lightly coated with carbon. According to PVI Tech, there should have been no carbon.
Vehicle: 1992 Grand Marquis, 4.6L
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BrianG
Dodge Dakota
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12/06/2003
23:53:22
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Go to their websie.. read the disclaimer "P.V.I. International Inc. does not warrant the completeness, timeliness or accuracy of any of the data contained in this website" ...hmm...sounds fishy to me ......
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Kent W
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2/28/2004
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Installed the PVI on my 2000 Excursion with Triton V10 engine. Installation was simple and effective. No noticable differance for the first 3K or so (as stated in their material), after that, a very noticable increase in power (about 20%), and have recorded consistently higher optimum highway milage ratings. Normal prior to installation on flat and level at 95 kph would be about 14 mpg (US),, since then we have consistently recorded between 16 and 19 mpg (US). Variable is winter and road conditions, and time of year (mileage drops off when it gets down to 20 below, or snow under the tires). Ratings before and after were all over the same stretch of Highway. Dont think it would make much difference in city driving as the pig weighs FOUR tons, so will take a bit of fuel at every start.
Perhaps its all psychological, so maybe rather than just disputing their claimsm maybe someone could actually test the little vials for content.
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Kowalski
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2/29/2004
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Feel free - and BTW I didn't dispute any claims, just alerted people to rip off pricing.
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melrob
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3/06/2004
21:38:44
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hi guys... can you give an idea how much is this PVI thing? i need it badly for my pajero...
you can tap me in my email: melro_b@yahoo.com
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