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dunno
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3/23/2002
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I'm seriously considering a Dakota when my lease is up, but can't bring myself to give up the performance of my Grand Cherokee Lmt. How come the Jeep can deliver superior 0-60, 1/4 mile times, more towing, and the best AWD system around, compared to a similiarly equiped Dak QC. Amenities aside, is there any hope for a QC to compete, or have I been spoiled by years of SUV dominance?
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Hersbird
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3/23/2002
23:32:57
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Well they are actually really close in all the catagories you mention except that quadradrive thing. It comes down to the Dakota QC is heavier then a GC, and with equal powertrains you see the reason for the differences. I can tell you the Dakota QC (and its heavier, longer wheel base) will feel a lot better towing 6000 pounds then a GC would! The Dakota can actually also CARRY a weight, not just TOW a weight. And the Dakota QC with similar features costs a lot less then a Jeep Grand Cherokee. The most basic 4x4, v-8, Laredo's MSRP is over $29,000 while the 4x4, QC, 4.7 starts at only $24,400. On top of that the rebates on the Dodges are usually higher so that $4600 difference grows even more when you go done to buy. You can actually seat more people in a QC if you really wanted to, and haul more gear while doing it. The Jeep is superior off road though. It seems a Durango to Jeep comparision would be the more logical debate.
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bernd
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3/24/2002
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Don't forget, the Jeep's are lighter as well. A '98 Jeep Grand Cherokee "Limited Edition" (AWD/5.9L) weighs the same as a '98 R/T Dakota...and with AWD, they're incredibly quick out of the hole as well. :)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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5pnt9ltrluv
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3/24/2002
10:36:20
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Image what the Dakota R/T could do if it was AWD....
Kris
2002 Atlantic Blue R/T
Current Mods: Flowmaster 40 Series Original (dumped), MSD 6A Ignition w/ Taylor Spirocore 8mm, 360 Intakez w/ 9" K&N, 180 d t-stat
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bernd
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3/24/2002
11:15:22
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With the R/T being just about the same weight as the Jeep, about the same. But yeah...MUCH more improved acceleration! :)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
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3/24/2002
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I don't think the AWD will help more then it hurts in the 1/4 mile. The 98 5.9 limited is still heavier then a RC R/T and they are not where near even as quick as a CC R/T pure stock (the best 5.9 limited I've heard of, pure stock is 15.4 in the 1/4). The added rotating mass on the awd sytem of the 5.9 limited is killer, every 10 pounds is equal to .1 seconds in the 1/4. Sure they might pick up .1 or .2 on the 60 ft time to a stock R/T but it is quickly lost once things are moving. The R/T can easilly get that .1 to .2 60 ft back with a simple rear tire change, and then the Jeep will never have the advantage. Don't get me wrong, I love the 5.9 limited. I sold my 95 Jeep GC with full intention of getting one, but after comparing prices and on road performance the Dakota R/T was a no brainer.
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5pnt9ltrluv
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3/24/2002
17:02:42
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Hey Bernd, I'll be there tomorrow around 10-11am. I just want the 1.7 Roller Rockers and the headers and y-pipe. Maybe an IAT adjuster if you got one.
Kris (I called you on Friday)
2002 Atlantic Blue R/T
Current Mods: Flowmaster 40 Series Original (dumped), MSD 6A Ignition w/ Taylor Spirocore 8mm, 360 Intakez w/ 9" K&N, 180 d t-stat
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bernd
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3/24/2002
23:40:58
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Headers and Y-Pipe are in stock. IAT Adjuster is on back-order for one more week, and the 1.7 rollers can be here in 2-3 days (order from Mopar).
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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Crazy Bob
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3/25/2002
17:49:55
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My Dakota is quicker than my Jeep,but the Jeep will go faster because of the limiter.
00 Dakota CC 4x2 SLT Plus
4.7 auto 235hp 355 L/S
Forest Green-Driftwood
00 R/T cat back K&N drop-in
factory flairs added tinted windows
Extang bed cover
Viper alarm&remote starter
02 Grand Cherokee 4X4
4.7 235hp 5spd auto
Steel Blue
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JP
Dodge Dakota
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3/25/2002
21:55:41
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Like Crazy Bob I own both a Jeep GC and a Dakota CC with the 4.7 and AWD. They are both great to drive. I suspect the Jeep is more capable off-road but neither see's much mud. My wife primarily drives the GC and I drive the Dak. We both would not trade!!! The Dak was cheaper, even with all the goodies I could buy. They are different vehicles but you can't loose by purchasing either one in my opinion.
JP '01 SLT+ CC 4.7 AWD LSD 4 wheel ABS and '99 GC 4.7 Quaddrive 4 Wheel ABS
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DUNNO
Dodge Dakota
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3/26/2002
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Thanks for your experiences. I usually use MotorTrends test numbers when looking for a new vehicle, and the numbers for a Dak QC are on a 2WD, and it is about equal to a Grand Cherokee. However, for the mountain driving the car will be used for I would like AWD, or at least 4X4 (not to mention that my wife will drive it most, and I might be nervous with her having a powerful Rear wheel drive truck on curvy, sometimes slick roads). How much does the AWD, or 4X take away from performance? Whats the chances of an '03 Dak getting the HO4.7, which puts a GC in the 6.8 0-60 range, which is a significant boost over a QC?
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OffRoadRuss
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3/26/2002
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I own a 98 Jeep GC with the 5.9 engine. It came stock with some extra goodies and is the only year that they had this engine in the GC... It flies off the line and breaks into the mid 6 seconds in the 0-60 without any mods. 345 lb-ft @ 2,800 rpm... $40,000 brand new, but it shows... This is primarily my wife’s rig, but we both love it. Especially the quadradrive. She loves not having to worry about switching to 4x4, especially in rain, etc.. Overall, this truck is awesome on and off road (not that she condones taking it into the woods often)...
After driving Jeeps version of the 5.9, the 4.7 4x4 dak feels slightly anemic, BUT I LOVE the dak and wouldnt trade it for any of the other truck brand or models (well maybe the Cadillac escalade EXT - even though it is just a lux ford 150)...
both are great vehicles and I would recommend both. I wish the dak had the torque of the jeep.
The bottom line is that I got both vehicles used for ~20,000 and if I had to pick only one, the jeep 5.9 would win... But I would cry if I had to go without my Quad cab pickup...
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
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3/26/2002
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I test drove 3 different 5.9 limiteds from 98 before buying my R/T. Even bone stock the R/T will destroy the 5.9 limited on dry pavement, straight line, or in a corner. I traded a Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0 quadratrack for the R/T so I know the Jeep is much better in foul weather or off road. Still even the fastest stock Jeep is well behind my Dakota (which has the identical motor as in the 5.9 limited but with a less restrictive exhaust).
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Crazy Bob
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3/26/2002
20:25:48
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JP GOOD ANSWER. My wife said my truck is quicker than her Jeep,but that is some what unfair for the Jeep{only 3,000k and no K&N or free flow exhaust or Moble oil like my truck has.
00 Dakota CC 4x2 SLT Plus
4.7 auto 235hp 355 L/S
Forest Green-Driftwood
00 R/T cat back K&N drop-in
factory flairs added tinted windows
Extang bed cover
Viper alarm&remote starter
02 Grand Cherokee 4X4
4.7 235hp 5spd auto
Steel Blue
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OffRoadRuss
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2002
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"(well maybe the Cadillac escalade EXT - even though it is just a lux ford 150)... "
OOOPs- I meant a luxury Avalanche
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LI Blackdak
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3/27/2002
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no doubt jeeps are fast, but my 2000 dak as compared to my moms 94 grand cherokee limited handles much much much better. jeeps handle like hot air balloons with wheels. not hard to flip either, as opposed to the dakota which almost can't flip. and i doubt any jeep could take out a 2002 R/T or 5 speed 2wd 4.7(overland?? 5.9??(7.0 0-60) i dunno) daks are much more solid. new limited look really nice though
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phanton5.9
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9/12/2002
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hate to tell all of you... the jeep grand cherokee limited 5.9L is the absolute fastest vehicle in the doge-chryler-jeep line-up excluding the 98 viper. how is it with the same engine lighter weight beefier tranny(dana 44 aluminum, 4wheel drive reinforced output shaft on the t-case, smaller lighter wheels and tires,electric fan, increased timing) there was no advertising from d-c-j about a faster dakota or chrysler animal. this is hard facts to take. i have raced many a dakota that was a r/t and was modified with atleast a dual exhaust. i was a easy win on all ocasions. oh did i mention 3.73 gears? i will race any dakota with similar mods and by the way i can swap out gears the same way, i just do the front end also. last but not least the jeep is a unibody fram, just damn better!
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
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9/12/2002
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Obviously the search engine is in fine for lately. We keep getting to rehash all of these old threads.
Phantom - I thought you were thinking of selling your Jeep. Have you ever had it out to the track? I'm not so sure that your claim is correct. I don't believe that the Jeep is the absolute fastest vehicle in the DCJ line-up. I'm sure you believe that.... but that doesn't quite mean it's correct.
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LI Blackdak
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9/12/2002
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isnt the overland faster then the 5.9 limited. jeep said 0-60 7.0 for a 5.9 and 6.9 for an overland. overland has 15 more hp(although 98s were lighter then 02s are i guess. daks take corners much better:-)
are we forgeting that we are comparing vehicles that with a 10-15K price difference. jeeps are more refined.
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LI Blackdak
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9/12/2002
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isnt the overland faster then the 5.9 limited. jeep said 0-60 7.0 for a 5.9 and 6.9 for an overland. overland has 15 more hp(although 98s were lighter then 02s are i guess. daks take corners much better:-)
are we forgeting that we are comparing vehicles that with a 10-15K price difference. jeeps are more refined.
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5.9ltd
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9/12/2002
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A completely bone stock grand cherokee 5.9ltd is capable of 14.9 second 1/4, 2.06 60 ft, and a 6.8 0-60. This is faster although not by much than a 5.9 r/t.
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Duner
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9/12/2002
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That's a great 60' time! There have been bone stock R/Ts that have gone quicker than that 14.9 number. My bone stock '98 CC R/T went 14.61 @ 94mph with a pitiful 2.34 60' time! I'm sure that you will agree that there are quick and slow examples of both vehicles..... which is why the blanket statements about one being quicker than the other always leads to lively debates. hehehe
Phantom5.9's boast of the 5.9 GC being the absolute fastest thing other than the '98 Viper was certainly entertaining! hahaha Does that mean that all the Vipers after that are somehow slower than that GC? There are too many fast and slow examples out there to even get a consensus as to how quick anything really is..... which always leads to lots of "conversations" on the internet for sure!
How many 5.9 GCs run 14s bone stock?
How many R/Ts run 14s bone stock?
How many 4.7 models of either one run 14s bone stock?
Ask 20 people and you will get 20 different answers! hahaha
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
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9/13/2002
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Pahntom you are wrong here on a few ideas... The Jeep 5.9 has the identical transmission as the Dakota and no matter how stong and lightweight the front axle is it is still much more roating mass then any R/T has to spin. The 3.75 gears the Jeeps gets are not superior to the 3.92 the R/T gets and the 28 inch tall R/T tires actually make that 3.92 almost a 4.2 ratio when compared to the skinnier 30 inch tall tires the Jeep gets. The jeep may get better traction for a few feet but on dry pavement the R/T will quickly hook and go. I have driven 3 different 5.9 Jeeps and none was anywhere near as fast as My R/T is (which currently is running in pure stock mode except 180 degree t-stat.) My R/T has an electric fan as well, and the simple MP PCM gives you the most timing advance allowed by the PCM on the 5.9 in any application. Finally a 5.9 Limited is heavier then at least a RC R/T. Don't get me wrong here the Jeep is awesome but even used they were much more expensive then my R/T. The do compare better to any 4x4 Dakota, just not the R/T and 4.7 5-speeds 2x4's acceleration. I actually am shopping again for 5.9 limited or a 4.7 GC to trade in the R/T, but for completely different reasons then acceleration... In 1998 you could get a new RC R/T Dakota for under $17,000. The 5.9 limited was almost twice that much, you got alot for your $13,000 but better acceleration was not one of them. Good tot see the old posts again, I bet this was revived over on the jeepsunlimited board as well too!
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