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jeffster
GenIII
 
4/02/2001
19:20:21
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I was talking with the parts department about the truck I ordered and some of the parts I wanted. If I go Mopar I keep my warranty.
What's the experience of you long time dodge owners with regard to Mopar parts. Are they as good or better as other names such as K&N and Flow Master.
I hear everyone talking about PCM flashes. The Mopar catalouge shows a performance computer up grade. You would have to run a higher octane but if your not racing you just unplug it with no effect. It's about $350.00.
How does this compare to a flash and what kind of power gain could one expect especialy when using a high octane as recomended.
Thanks guys.
Waiting for my 2001 black 4.7 RC Sport 5 speed 3:92 limited slip
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Will
Unregistered
4/02/2001
22:20:38
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I had a Mopar chip on order about 3 months ago. My dealer told me Dodge stopped making them because to many people were blowing engines trying to tow w/ the performance chip. I assume if you want to tow, you can swap chips in about 10 minutes. I have heard that the check engine light needs to be reset each time this happens.
If Mopar is making chips again, someone let me know. I was quoted a 15% to 20% power increase.
--Will 4.7 SLT 4x4 CC Manual
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jeffster
GenIII
4/02/2001
22:41:57
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I hope they still make them. 15+% for a few hundred dollars is unbeleievable. That would be a whopping 265+ HP @ the crank with no other mods. WOW!!
Waiting for my 2001 black 4.7 RC Sport 5 speed 3:92 limited slip
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Bernd
GenIII
4/03/2001
01:17:38
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The custom flashes allow you to tailor the PCM more towards your specific application while the Mopar Performance PCM's are a more generic, but still much better than stock, replacement.
Custom flashes will cost more money though.
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged w/Nitrous
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14wntr
GenII
4/03/2001
19:48:13
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I just picked up my Mopar Performance PCM today at the dealer and paid $263!! Glad to be in Illinois.:-).......sometimes
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage!
92 4x4 5.2L Auto 3"FM
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Stylin_Dak
Unregistered
4/04/2001
09:05:34
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I'd love to hear about any performance increases. That sounds like a cheap no-brainer.
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RayT
GenIII
4/05/2001
12:05:26
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I have 2 questions:
1. Can anyone comment on the effect these chips will have on gas mileage?
2. The Mopar website states the following "1998 and later models require Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) and mileage encoding by a DaimlerChrysler franchised dealer."
Does this mean I would not be able to install this myself?
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RonW
Gen III
4/05/2001
13:45:36
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1. If you're worried about gas mileage, don't buy this PCM. Not only will it not help your mileage, you'll need to use 92+ octane of top of it.
2. You can install it yourself but it will cause all sorts of lights to light up on your instrument panel. Possible MIL. Brake light. ABS light. You will still need to take it to the dealer to flash the VIN and odometer in. Standard cost is ~$75.
Ron
00 PB SLT QC 4X2 5.9 46RE 3.92 LSD
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14wntr
GenII
4/05/2001
15:48:25
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The only reason my MPG is down is due to my foot being stuck in the TB! Isnt there an ancient Chinese proverb that says " If you wanna play you gotta pay"? Dont forget that you get $100. rebate if you send your PCM in.
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage!
92 4x4 5.2L Auto 3"FM
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RonW
Gen III
4/05/2001
17:52:31
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No, don't send your old PCM in. Save it. If you need to tow, you'll want to swap the PCM's. Towing with an HP PCM is what kills engines.
Ron
00 PB SLT QC 4X2 5.9 46RE 3.92 LSD
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14wntr
GenII
4/05/2001
18:15:34
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I wasnt going to send mine in. Thats why I said if.
My old one will stay with me in the truck...just in case.
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage!
92 4x4 5.2L Auto 3"FM
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Wayne
GenIII
4/06/2001
23:45:16
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Jeffster,
You said "....if your not racing you can just unplug it with no effect." That won't work. This is a replacement PCM and you must have one plugged in for the engine to run.
Wayne Van Metre
'99 CC SLT 5.2/auto/3.90 anti spin
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Ian Pendergrass
GenIII
4/07/2001
00:13:59
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Are there any options for the 2000 3.9?
2000 Quad Cab 3.9L V6 2/4 Drop, flowmaster, 3923 Autolites, MSD6,
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jeffster
GenIII
4/07/2001
01:57:55
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Wayne I wasn't talking about a replacment PCM. I was talking about a Mopar performance module that simply plugs into a port I belive under the hood but haven't received my truck yet so am not sure. You simply plug it in to the port or remove it and the engine is back at it's old parameter's.
Waiting for my 2001 black 4.7 RC Sport 5 speed 3:92 limited slip
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Wayne
GenIII
4/07/2001
03:25:49
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You got a new one on me there. I never heard of such a creature made ar sold by Mopar. There are PTMs made by Jet and Hypertech that plug in but Mopar doesn't market them. I'll be watching this thread for more info on this. Maybe someone else can shed a little light on it for us.
Wayne Van Metre
'99 CC SLT 5.2/auto/3.90 anti spin
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jeffster
GenIII
4/07/2001
14:17:56
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Wayne: The Mopar chip was listed at the dealerships parts dept catalouge for the 4.7. The mechanic/parts guy told me that I would have to run supreme but could simply add/remove the module depending on what I am doing.
Waiting for my 2001 black 4.7 RC Sport 5 speed 3:92 limited slip
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Bernd
GenIII
4/08/2001
00:18:27
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The Mopar PCM's are exactly that...the entire PCM. The Jet and Hypertech use the inline method.
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged w/Nitrous
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Wayne
GenIII
4/08/2001
00:35:43
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......so it isn't as easy as just unplugging something and using cheap gas. Watch what your mechanic tells you. Sometimes he isn't a hotrodder.
Wayne Van Metre
'99 CC SLT 5.2/auto/3.90 anti spin
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jeffster
GenIII
4/08/2001
01:17:27
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I will go resolve PCM/chip issue next week. It was actually a parts guy and we were looking in the Mopar catalouge for 4.7 mods. Nothing much out there yet. My understanding is that it plugs into the PCM.
Waiting for my 2001 black 4.7 RC Sport 5 speed 3:92 limited slip
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tyestick72
Dodge Dakota
11/20/2001
19:04:05
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Has anyone put pcm in 2001cc 4.7 auto? would like to know is it has changed top speed? I top out at 100 . MOPAR says 5.2 gets 24 hp & 25 ft lbs tq & 5.9 gets 28 hp & 26 tq (what about top end) Does top end change ? also what year did dodge start controling top speed ?
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
11/20/2001
19:38:54
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OK. I have to resolve this. There are no and will never be any Mopar PCM's for the 4.7L. They have been PERMANENTLY DISCONTINUED. I called mopar myself to find out about it bacause I saw it listed on the web page. I guess mopar is just slow at updating their web pages. Sorry if I sounded like I was shouting. I was.
'00 4.7L 4x2 3.92's LS CC SLT 5spd
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
11/20/2001
19:39:20
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It seems there are some wrong idea's running around here about the Mopar PCM. Here's what I understand about them. I don't think they have a core $100 rebate on the newer ones that was more for the GenII ones, maybe it depends on how old the stock is where you bought it. I bought a MP PCM for my 93 5.2 back in 93 when they first came out. At first there was no core charge then they added it mid year, I bought mine from a big dealer (Koller Dodge) who still had the non-core charge ones in stock. I would reccommend keeping the stock one if possible as I could change out the PCM in about 5 minutes tops. It was only 4 small screws, and using a nutdriver it was really easy. The PCM in 93 didn't need any programming from the dealer (like putting the VIN in) but now the computers do require that step which can add 1/2 hour to 1 hour worth of dealer labor to the cost (It depends on if there is a 1 hour mininum or not, it only takes a few minutes). It is a complete unit, not just a chip, and although it isn't specifically tailored for something like a stroker or blower, it has features the aftermarket hasn't been able to "decode" on all of their "chips" so far. They only stopped making the 4.7 PCM, not the rest of the V-8's up until 2000, as of 2001 models, there are no Mopar PCMs available. A 2001 won't work with a 2000 model either, as it is specific for the motor, year, transmission, and emmisions package. I am without a doubt getting one for my 2000 R/T after seeing the improvement it gave to my 93 5.2. I picked up .3-.4 in the 1/4 mile after the PCM install. It did need the 92 octain or it would ping, and mileage did go down about 1-2mpg highway, even driving like a sane person. But I would swap it out for commuting, and put it on for cruising/racing. I don't know if I'd swap it out all the time on a 2000, espically if it throws a light all the time, but now my commute is not very long and I'm always in a crusin/racing mode with my R/T anyway!
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
11/20/2001
22:43:45
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Hersbird, don't expect the same results from the PCM on a Y2K as you got on your '93. I have no actual testing to back this up but it seems that the later models are less potent. Here is one example: my friend has a '94 and his Mopar PCM has is so aggressive that his truck pings slightly even with 93 octane and pulling no trailer while I can use 89 octane and not ping under normal driving. If I don't get carried away, I can even pull my 18 ft. bass boat on 89 octane without any detonation. Likewise, he saw better results at the track than I did. I do have colder thermostat and colder plugs, which help, but in all cases that we know of, the older trucks get more h.p. than the newer ones.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
11/21/2001
20:12:43
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What I think would help the most on my R/T is a higher rev limiter and higher shift points. It is still pulling really strong when it shifts and there's no reason for it to shift that soon. If you try and hold the gear manually it just hits the rev limiter. I'm pretty sure the stock valvetrain is good for 6000 rpm so that's a much better place to have the rev limiter. The longer you can keep the truck in 1st and 2nd before shifting can really help your 1/4 mile times. It doesn't have to add any horsepower, or seat of the pants power, just more rpms and it can improve times. That is the main reason I want to PCM, losing the speed limiter and more agressive timing is just an added bonus.
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Bob
GenIII
11/22/2001
15:01:44
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Question:at what speed does the R/T and 5.2 shut down,because of the rev limiter.
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00 Dakota CC SLT Plus
4.7 auto 235hp 355 L/S
00 R/T cat back K&N drop-in
factory flairs tinted windows
Extang bed cover
Viper alarm&remote starter
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
11/22/2001
19:48:53
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Hersbird, You will get that from the PCM then. My '99 didn't seem to gain much power but it did raise the shift points by ~200 rpm, raised the rpm shutoff, and I don't know what it did to the MPH shutdown. I've taken it past 120 with no sign of a shutdown due to mph.
Bob, I don't really know. Different people have reported different numbers. I never tried mine with the stock computer. I would guess about 110 to 115 from what I have heard others say.
Wherever you go......there you are.
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Bob
GenIII
11/22/2001
20:01:08
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Wayne my truck shuts down at 98,not that I need to go any faster than that.My speed O says 120 mph,Go figure.
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00 Dakota CC SLT Plus
4.7 auto 235hp 355 L/S
00 R/T cat back K&N drop-in
factory flairs tinted windows
Extang bed cover
Viper alarm&remote starter
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
11/22/2001
20:09:09
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Seems to me that they lowered the mph shut offs on the 4.7s, however some people with 4.7s report much higher shutoffs for some reason. Go figure! I had an '94 Formula/LT1 that shut off at 102. I could get there in 2nd gear. Makes no sense at all.
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Bob
GenIII
11/23/2001
06:25:28
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Wayne the guys that have the 5spd sticks report there trucks go 115mph.The tires on my truck are speed rated for 115. I have never tried to see what my 5.0 would top out at,I don't think it has a rev limiter on it.
Did you get your new Firebird? Not the turkey bird meal.{He he} A guy I work with,got a 02 ram air 6spd turkey,I mean Firebird.
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00 Dakota CC SLT Plus
4.7 auto 235hp 355 L/S
00 R/T cat back K&N drop-in
factory flairs tinted windows
Extang bed cover
Viper alarm&remote starter
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
11/23/2001
20:57:14
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My R/T's speed limiter is set at 115 mph. The rev limiter is about 5300 rpm (I think, it's been awhile since I tested it!) It starts a shift while in drive at about 4800 and completes it about 5000 rpm (again I'm not sure and with a snowstorm coming I may not find out for awhile!)
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KenDawg
Dodge Dakota
11/23/2001
23:46:09
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I have a 2000 4x4 Dakota 5 speed. Speed limiter is set to about 95-98 MPH. I haven't heard any different except on the R/T's.
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Aaro
Dodge Dakota
11/24/2001
10:07:43
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4x4 = 98mph speed limiter, 4x2 = 118mph speed limiter
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Dodgeman
Dodge Dakota
11/24/2001
15:23:32
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Depends on year.
Cruising through MT a while back I was doing 110 in my 97 4x4 5.2. I wish they would bring Reasonable & Prudent back
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Doug
Dodge Dakota
11/25/2001
01:43:43
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Because of all the new standards in safety, new cars/trucks are governed @low speeds because of cheesy tires. It all depends on tire rating!!! stock dakotas have tires rated for no more than 110 mph, therefore continuous travel at the governed 98 mph is safe. (for the tires anyway) R/Ts speedo is higher cause of the 17" z rated tires ( I think they're z rated) if anyone hears of a way around this speed limiter on a 01 4.7, please post! @ 98 mph, my dak is thirsty for more! the damn jet chip didnt remove my speedo limit, what will? can a mopar tech reset/remove it????
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CW
GenIII
11/25/2001
10:59:55
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It is not totally dependant on tire speed ratings, other factors like engine wear come into affect my truck is set at 115 just like the R/T.
2001 4.7 5sp RC 3.91 sport plus
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