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Jeff Peuker
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3/12/2002
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I am going to purchase the Vortech SQ kit. Is anyone running an aftermarket cam with a blower?
I already have 1.7 rockers and was considering using the KRC 216 cam. They claim 400 RWHP with the stock heads. Has anyone tried this setup?
Would I be better off going with 2.02 ported heads for better drivability and leaving the stock cam? Will I require a PCM flash or is the boost/timing retard a good setup with the Vortech kit?
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Adam
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Couple of things to consider here:
1st thing is the Vortech runs hotter than PowerDyne and in return the Vortech requires a Inter or After cooler to be more efficient. Powerdyne doesnt require one. Vortech requires a little more time and most of the time you have to make runs to your auto part store for small parts that arnt in the kit. Powerdyne comes with everything. However if its big boost numbers you are wanting Vortech is the way to go unless you use the new XB-1 from Powerdyne it will run upwards of 18lbs and is gear driven, whereas the BD-11 can only go up to 11lbs and is belt driven. Im pretty sure the Vortech can run up to 15lbs. I run the BD-11 on my 01' RT and I couldnt be more pleased. I drive around everyday with a permanant grin on my face. Something else to consider is the powerdyne is cheaper to install and can be done in weekend. Be prepared to be without your rig for at least a minimum of 48hrs. I also installed the 1.7 crowers and I have a stock cam. The stock heads and cam can handle the boost until you hit about the 10lb mark. at that point you start bottle-necking at the Intake manifold the M1 is needed to relieve this. The most important is exhaust. If it cant get out, it cant get in. Get headers and 3" exhaust before charging. I would highly recommend a dual Hi-flow design. You want to be able to flow upwards of 900-1200cfm. Also you want to upgrade your TB to a minumum of the 50mm from F&B and try for the 52mm especially if you go to the 202 heads. The PCM flash will help regardless of what you wind up doing. As far as drivabilty is concerned, you dont have to much to worry about till you start messing with the cam, the 216 is a good cam. Talk to Marty sommore at KRC and he will hook you up with the correct cam for your rig. Sounds like your on your way. Remember "Choose wisely" for your blower, PowerDyne may not have a big name like Vortech but it is a good unit and it runs cooler than the Vortech which is extremely important. Also get the Felpro head gaskets or you will blow your stock ones, and also upgrade your head bolts to the ARP studs or bolts. Both are equal in survivability and both have excellent clamp force. You can email me directly at aclement@interquest.net
Good luck
"Happiness is being Blown"
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SLEEPER318
Dodge Dakota
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3/12/2002
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I have the T-Trim Vortech Supercharger from Marty at KRC. And I'm running 11 psi without a intercooler or the timing retarded. I do have the BTM from MSD but It's set at 0. So no intercooler is needed. That's even with the Mopar PCM. And yes I had everything needed to bolt that kit on my truck. It took me 8 hours to bolt it on. The hardest part was punching the hole for the oil return line. Upgrade your head gaskets to Mr gasket solicor head gaskets. There made for supercharged and turbocharged motor and high compression engine 12 or more higher. I had the 1008's and blew them after a month. Deffinitely upgrade to the ARP head BOLTS. Vortech has been around longer than Powerdyne. They do there homework on there kits and units. No offense but there been to much trouble with Powerdyne. I can't speak for the new gear drive. It's a new product, So I wouldn't know about bolting that on my truck. The T-trim makes boost allot faster than the S-trim or SQ-Tim. It can handle 25 psi. THe stock intake works great with my setup. I had the runner cut and port/polished.. My heads are Magnum heads full ported and polished with 2.02/ 1.625 valves. I have a custom grind supercharger cam from Crower. 220/230. And yes Marty has that cam. Different lift. He's using that cam from me. The cam run super hard on top end. I'ts a totally different animal with a blower. Do your engine work and bolt the blower on last. Just make sure everything is for the supercharger. If it was me I'd use Vortech. How many bad things do you here from them? I here allot from Kenne Bell, Paxton, and Powerdyne. ATI just cost too much and the intercooler is to low to the ground. Vortech is your best value for the money period. I did research on it for over a year before I bought mine. It's your call. Listen to Marty and you can't go wrong.
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SLEEPER318
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3/12/2002
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Jeff, If you have any Q's E-mail me at vack32@charter.net I'll be more than happy to answer them. I have some pics of the T-trim on my truck.
Allen
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Adam
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3/13/2002
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Take note that the Vortech like Allen said, it uses oil from the crank case. This in turn creates more heat to the blower. Hot oil is going through the blower to lubricate it. The powerdyne BD-11 doesnt use external oiling systems. It is completely self contained. If you are wanting to make 25lbs of boost, you better have your check book ready because it will cost! A mildly built 360 will not be able to handle that much boost for very long, especially if its a 99' with mileage on it. I havnt had any trouble with my powerdyne, and I have had it for 15k miles and still pulling strong as the day I bought it. Not to knock Allen, I believe both units (Vortech/Powerdyne) are both good units. I opted for Powerdyne because of the cost. As for the 8hr install, I dont know about that. Marty himself cant install in 8hrs, he told me a weekend is his usual install time. I made several calls to guys who have had Powerdynes and none of them have had any issues with them. What Allen has most likely heard are guys who are putting 12 and higher pound pullies on the thing and are standing around scratching there heads wondering why the internal belt broke???? Well the Powerdyne BD-11 is only rated up to 11lbs tops! Once its running higher than that the internal belt desentigrates. But you can run the 11lb and be safe. I did forget to tell you one thing you should consider, you might want to upgrade your injectors to 24lb injectors. I dont claim to know everything, Im sure Allen will say the same, all we can give you are our honest opinions and our blood sweat and tear experience's. If you want to check out some other stats on these chargers and other info try:
www.superchargersonline.com
Adam
Again good luck
Allen - "You are probably loosing about 1-2.5 lbs because of the heat that unit is making during spinup" If your interested - Running your oil feed line through a cooler before entering the blower will drop the internal temp about 15-25 degree's, you might be able to get at least a half pound back. If your interested. :
http://www.speedtweaks.net/ and look under
superchargers "Cool Tube"
REMEMBER = 1 pound of boost is equal to 15 ponyies!!!
Dont let one sqeek buy un-noticed
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SLEEPER318
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My boost gauge reads 11 psi at 5800 rpm. I wouldn't go with any more than that. I still have the stock bottom end in the motor. I have the 24 lb. injectors also. I'm having trouble with it running rich. I have the Roe Racing controller coming from Marty to solve that. And yes believe it or not 8 hours. Remove the Alternator, bolt the braket to the head, bolt the blower on, tap the pan, pull the fuel rails off put new injectors in, put the air hat on, tubing. Plumb the fuel pump and line. run the boost gauge line. I already had the MSD ignition just added the BTM. Tune my maxflow by-pass valve and thats it You might want to check back with Marty. I talked to him today and he can bolt on up in 6 hours. Most of the problem I have heard with powerdyne wasn't the belts. It's the bearings burning up. That's why Marty dropped them. I'm more than satisfied with my setup. I have a hard time getting it to stick. Best to date with it is 12.26 @ 116. With a 98' 318 RC Auto. viper stall, 3.92 cam, heads, intake, tb, rockers, etc.... except for the piston crank and rods. With tha mph I should be in the high 11's. I'm not knocking powerdyne, but what I have seen people go threw with them. I wouldn't have one. If I'm going to dish out that kind of cash. I want the best thing I can get for the money. Which in my case was The Vortech T-trim.
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Adam
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3/14/2002
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Good luck Jeff.
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drtswinger
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3/15/2002
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I have a powerdyne. Not a single problem with the charger yet. Install is easy as hell... you gotta be real slow to pull off putting one of these on in more that a sat. I have had a problem with head gaskets though. Keep blowin em, im in the middle of doing my second set. As for fel-pro... well I blew those quicker than the stock.... but maybe i got some bad ones. As for the mr. gasket solicor head gaskets.... most stores didnt know about em' or didnt recommend them. they said it wasn't good for street use. As for increased boost.... you gotta really want it to get it. If your gonna go crazy and mod your whole engine up to be a race motor... then dont get the powerdyne... if you wanna do some mods, keep the install simple, and still be faster than your tires can handle, then a powerdyne is for you. He even says it himself... My boost gauge reads 11 psi at 5800 rpm. I wouldn't go with any more than that. I still have the stock bottom end in the motor* the powerdyne can do 11 pounds... , and thats what he's running now. Anyways, its your choice... they both have warranties anyways. I'm not going to put either down, im just saying what i know. just my 2 cents. By the way... has anyone else heard about the mr. gasket head gaskets?
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SLEEPER318
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Why would you want to run a supercharger at its max? You think its going to last long? I sure wouldn't run my at 25 psi all the time. The Solicor head gaskets are the same as the fel-pro. Some of the coolant holes are blocked just like the 1008's. So I guess since the Solicor's aren't streetable the 1008's aren't right? It's your call. I know you won't have any problem with them, but hey what do I know.
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drtswinger
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3/15/2002
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Thats what speedtweaks told me along with summit. I only repeated what I heard. But, summit didnt sound like he knew what he was talking about. Trust me, I want to use them, but nobody carries them or anything and it makes me wonder. I want something new because Im so tired of tearing down the top end of my motor. As for blocking the coolant holes... are the ones near the inner cylinders blocked. These are the ones that are always blowing on me. It the closest hole on the stock and 1008. If this hole is plugged or moved farther away... Im sold. i want those gaskets. let me know. As for the running a s/c at max boost, I agree. But who wants all that power all the time on the street.. its just not something I would do. As far as I'm concerned... 6-9 pounds of boost is plenty on the street to race with. On a good day I either run side by side, or beat ls1's ( not by much) and that aint to bad since I dont even have a performance computer yet along with any other bolt ons. let me know
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drtswinger
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I just called mr. gasket and they said the solicors dont work with the magnum as far as the books go. He said it would be great for my application if they lined up ok. then i called car shop and the guy said he didnt know if they would work either. I have the feeling they will though, since from what i hear the 1008's arent even designed for the magnum. i might be ordering the solicors soon....
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bernd
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3/16/2002
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The FelPro 1008's do work and work very well. They match up to the Magnum engines (we've done it on several ranging from '98-'01 models). They are the choice gasket. If you want a higher grade gasket than the FelPro, ROL makes one of the best out there...and they build them specifically for the Magnum Engines.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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