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MikeD
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3/11/2002
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I was out at the street races Sat. night, keep in mind no racing goin on just teenagers drivin around showing off their rides, and these 2 dudes pull up beside me in a rice burner reving it up (you can imagine the sound of a lawnmower w/ a flowmaster) and so I do my reving back and they do their nod of approval. Then I decide to get tough and kinda intimidate em a little so I start tapping the pedal w/ the brake on in short bursts while we're waitin for the light to turn. I hadn't had the pedal pressed more than 2 seconds on each rev w/ the pedal...then after I pull off a cop pulls outta the 7-11 and pulls me over claiming I was doin a burnout...to me a burnout consists of smoke from the tires no matter how big a cloud. I saw no smoke but the cop says he agreed but he saw smoke comin off my brakes. IMO I wasn't doing a burnout. Should I fight this? Or just let it go and pay the ticket.
~Mike~
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Jason
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3/11/2002
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Might as well go to court and pay your dues. You wont be able to argue your point against a cop.
They have certain priveleges that you don't.
Bummer.
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D
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3/11/2002
16:55:58
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i got rolled for burning out, cop said anytime
the tire breaks loose, you are in excess of
speed, or exhibition of speed, I talked to the
guy for a little bit, said I was late for school
(luckily it happened right out front of school,
and luckily he didnt see the WRX I was toying
with) he let me go with a warning. You were
obviously being watched, too bad. you
probably wont win if you fight it, cops win
almost 90% of the time, but cant hurt to try.
D
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MikeD
Dodge Dakota
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3/11/2002
16:59:41
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Thing that pisses me off is that 5 min earlier in front of that same 7-11 someone did a burnout, I mean a real one sat there for like 30 sec spinning the tires. In my books thats a burnout, not what I was doing. Guess your right...I can't win against a cop.
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Anthony G
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3/11/2002
17:17:50
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You always win if he doesn't show up.
You almost always win with a lawyer.
Pay the ticket then you insurance goes up.
Go to a drivers Ed class and get it removed off your record (most States)
Next time say you where trying to keep you engine from dying :) or tell him the truth. Sometimes they will let you off knowing you where truthful with them. Say Yea wasn't that Cool :)
I bet he was there due to the disturbance the other car made 5 minutes ago.
Got to think like a sniper, shoot once and leave the position. You got caught in a hot spot
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MikeD
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3/11/2002
17:26:19
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No he was there to write tickets cuz its where everyone was to race, so he was just lookin for someone to do somethin outta the ordinary besides rev an engine. The funny thing is he was bein all overdramatic and shyt actin like I just made him do a freakin car chase w/ me. He was like you need to grow up and act your age...gimme a break I saw a 40 yr old dude doin a burnout in a Chevelle the other day at a stop light. He was all yellin and sayin he could've taken me to jail and I just need to take my ass home. I guess I will find a cheap lawyer...would rather pay court costs than run the risk of dropped insurance or a raise in rates. I'm already takin a defensive driver's course for turning left when I wasn't supposed to (cops set that up too) busted 3 other people while I was sitting there. Cops suck.
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Anthony G
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3/11/2002
17:46:46
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Yea, I don't remember how much it was. I think is was under $100.00 maybe even $50.00 for the Lawyer. I just showed up in front of the court house, meet the lawyer then we and some other people he had just went in, a few minutes later after the judge call the lawyer it was all done. The lawyer called off a few clients names, one was mine then we where free to go.
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Anthony G
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3/11/2002
17:52:46
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I bet you paying high dollar for your Insurance. You under 25, not married? High risk truck.
State Farm just sent me a notice that my Insurance will raise due to the high amount of clams and something else associated with Dakota, maybe even just the R/T's. But since I have no violations my Ins will still be lower next months. Maybe even under $100 for full coverage, I use to pay $270 for liability on my T/A :)
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joel
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3/11/2002
18:10:31
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I'd get a traffic lawyer and fight it. The hundreds you will spend for one will save thousands in the long run due to increased insurance fees. I was paying 270 month to drive my dak because of traffic violations. It adds up.
Joel
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Rosario
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3/11/2002
18:19:02
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Fight it. Cop doesnt always win...God they almost neevr win around here.
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xplikt
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3/11/2002
19:36:12
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Anothony, I have State Farm, but my rates for my Dakota have not gone up due to it being a Dakota. It's not an R/T however, it's classificed as an "SLT".
Hahaha..
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Hersbird
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3/11/2002
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The first night I got my R/T there was a "Rock and Roll days" cruise in town. The local drag was packed with nice cars, and people. I was cutting across the main drag on a side street, and just witnessed two vettes do a sort of drag race right in front of me, they even had a chick in a poodle skirt drop a scraf for the launch! They really didn't get going very fast, maybe 40-45 but it got a hoot from the croud. This lead me to believe a small burnout was in order from the R/T as the crowd was really egging me on. I did a good, long, smokey burnout and drug it 1/2 way down the block. It was great, but a friend of mine said there were two cops right there, just looking down and shaking their heads, smiling. The next day you could see all the ruts burned into the blacktop from everybody doing burnouts at the first few lights. God I love Montana. When the Hells Angles held their annual gathering in out town, there were no problems untill all the hippies started a riot cause they though the police presence was to much, the bikers had no problems but the rainbow family was all pissed off!
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MightyDakSXT
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3/11/2002
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What exacty did the officer cite you for? What state are you in? (traffic laws vary from state to state) Here in Wisconsin we can cite a vehicle for "Unnecessary acceleration." This would cover doing doughnuts, squealing tires, exhibition of power, etc. This is not a state law. This is an ordinance violation specific to a particular manicipality. If you received a ticket for speeding and you did not exceed the speed limit, you have a good chance at fighting the citation. There are other violations you could have been cited for as well.
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MikeD
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3/11/2002
23:32:41
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I went to a cheap lawyer that was on the 2nd floor of my building it was only $55...I think they're main plan is to request to take off the warrant when that comes around...then drag it out for 6-8 months then when time comes around more than likely the cop won't show or they would've forgotten about it and ride it off. But if they do go through w/ it they said somethin about requesting that I go 6 months w/o a ticket, but if I do get one I gotta pay the fine plus it goes on my record. So I think I got it made. I'll cross my fingers. I got charged for burning out and somethin else in chicken scratch couldn't make out his sloppy handwriting...musta been fillin out the ticket w/ a freakin donut in his hand.
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MightyDakSXT
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3/12/2002
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Hehe hey, not all cops eat donuts. Some of us prefer pop tarts! What are the statute numbers that the officer listed on your citation? Which state are you in?
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IntenseDak39
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3/12/2002
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i got a traffic ticket (totally bogus) and decided to take it to court without a lawyer. before the trial you will probably have a pre-trial with the prosecuter. Now the prosecuter really doesn't want to bother with court over a little loss of traction. try to negotiate a compromise. i did, got 60 days of probation instead of a $200 fine, higher insurance premiums, a ticket on my record, and my only chance this year to use defensive driving (only one a year in texas).
just a suggestion.
intensedak39
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bjlindsey
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3/12/2002
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If you have the option as we do in AZ, take the driving class (I'm signing up to teach it soon for some gas money!!! :) If not, fight it on your own and try to drag it out. By the time you go to court, the ticketing officer will probably not have a clue who you are (assuming he shows up) and if he doesn't, you win. OR, plead guilty w/ an explanation...bad idle, had to keep revs up. If this all fails, I guess you have to pay for what they think you did. Of course, you could get the TV DUI attorney to get it reduced to a non moving violation. (prolly the cheapest and easiest...won't even have to go to court)
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Double D
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3/12/2002
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In washington state the cops don't need to show up to court they write a statment on the ticket and that is what goes to court. If you go to court some judges see that you have some sort of common sence and might lower or dismiss your ticket.
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Jesse T.
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3/12/2002
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I got a stupid ticite for no front license plate and I took it to court beacuse I just got the truck back from the shop and the lady that was the prosacuter or whatever she lives not to far from me and she didnt even want to hear my case and she said i was a street racer and i had to pay up in 10 days, $80, I hate that lady......i tried to argue with her but she just went on the the next case. Now that suxx.
Jesse T.
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Anthony G
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3/12/2002
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Writing a statement requires a lot more relevance and initiative on the Cop part rather than filling in the blanks on the ticket. Seems like that would actually make cops less likely to pull you over unless it was something serious. I could be dead wrong, because I don't live in Washington.
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MightyDakSXT
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The officer who issued the citation doesn't have to appear in court unless it's being disputed and a court date has been set. That doesn't guarantee that he'll be there though. With every citation, the officer must write a statement describing the offence. You will not find this on the back of your copy of the citation. When you appear before the judge, he has the copy that the officer wrote the short report on. It sucks, but that's what officers have to do for every citation. That's why you'll see them sitting on the side of the road apparently doing nothing. They are doing something - writing reports. Fun fun fun!
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Anthony G
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3/12/2002
14:40:59
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Man that's Wrong! Haven't no front plate is erelevant you being a street racer, she also has no proof that you are a street racer. Did she have any records of you speeding to back up that your a so called street racer? I'm no attorney but why did you argue with her, isn't that the judges decision? She must of had some vendetta with you. In most cases showing them that you now have a front license plate would get you out of the ticket. I no idea if you can appeal it, but you might be stuck with a $80 fine.
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Hersbird
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Jesse T, admit it you are a street racer! Just kidding man. I don't have a front plate even though they are supposedly required where I live. Once again gotta love Montana, the police have more important things to do then worry about no front plate (like the militia guys who refuse to buy plates at all!) We do have this very cool new plate system where non-profit organizations can make their own plate design and sell them for an extra 20 bucks. Trout Unlimited is supposedly havin the artist Monte Dolac make up a new plate for them, I may just put a front plate on if it's nice enough. My wife got some Glacier National Park plates that are an intense blue color that goes really well with her silver van. On the down side everybody thinks she's a foriener now cause they are not used to that new plate style!
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juniork
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3/12/2002
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You know, it is great to be on the other side. I am a Corrections Officer for the County Sherrif's Dept. I have had a couple of the deputies telling me to do burnouts to see how far I can spin the tires. We just all laugh and have a great time. By the way, a stock 4.7L 5-speed will smoke a Chevy Caprice and Ford Crown Vic police cars in an estimated quarter mile.
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MikeD
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3/12/2002
23:52:33
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Hey Junior I think you need to right a letter to the Dallas PD and tell em to lighten up and let guys have their fun. Either that or I need to move back to my small hometown.
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IntenseDak39
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3/13/2002
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it was in Dallas? man that police department is so f*cked up no wonder they wrote you a ticket for that... they need to make their wages somehow... plus they are wanting that pay raise right now.
"How's my driving?........Race me and find out!"
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Anthony G
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3/13/2002
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Dallas isn't the only screwed up place, try Houston. I can't say this information has much in common with F*cked up Dallas Police Department, but look at Enron or from my experience I use to work for some different county departments in Houston. Like the Hospital District, that place knows how to rip tax payers off! Every year they complain they need a tax increase, because they don't have enough money! HA BS! They waste money like it grew on trees. I was one of 9 IS techs that took care of all of the Hospital District, now they have more than 40! Some times I handled Ben Taub by myself. Now that the consultants have infiltrated HCHD there screwed. They could cut so much fat off that place that it's not even funny.
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juniork
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3/13/2002
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MikeD, You can get away with a lot more in a small town, because everybody knows each other. In local town, if you got caught doing a burn out you would just get a warning. Most cops don't want to waste there time. Plead not guilty and if the officer does not go to court, you can ask the judge to dismiss the charges, and legally he has to.
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juniork
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MikeD, You can get away with a lot more in a small town, because everybody knows each other. In my local town, if you got caught doing a burn out you would just get a warning. Most cops don't want to waste there time. Plead not guilty and if the officer does not go to court, you can ask the judge to dismiss the charges, and legally he has to.
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MikeD
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3/13/2002
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Exactly man I grew up in a small town...cops would sit on the hoods of their cars and watch us drag. We were just happy he let us race w/o all the BS. Ya know cops around here in Dallas are like...take your ass to the track...but I dunno its just not the same drivin around in town and pullin up beside some dude in his car and the adrenaline rush you feel before the light turns green.
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Viper6
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3/13/2002
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Its TX, do defered judication (spell) and pay teh ticket, if you behave for 90 days, nothing on your insurance.....
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