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kota on 20s
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2/27/2002
01:06:48
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well i started at about 1 o'clock, and ended at about 7:00.
way easier than i thought it would be! everything went like clock work. when i pulled off the maifold, i couldnt find the last bolt. thats because the stock bolt BROKE OFF! i had to go to the store and get 2 nuts and pull out the stud.
because of this, the whole back of the engine was caked on with dirt and grime. the thing that took the longest was cleaning the engine.
i havent started the truck yet, because im going to let the silicone dry over night, before putting water in the block.
ill let you know how it drives tomorow
Eric
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xplikt
Dodge Dakota
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2/27/2002
01:20:52
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You've got to tell me how it feels, I am looking at adding one myself when I get around to paying for my taxes..
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kota on 20s
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2/27/2002
01:23:18
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will do.
bernd is saying it added 20 RWHP to a R/T.
Eric
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Crusty
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2/27/2002
01:26:44
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xplikt- I dont think you can put one on a 4.7L. They are only for 318 and 360 motors. If you dont have a 4.7L I withdraw my statement.
2002 CC 4x4 4.7L 5spd 3.55 LSD
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
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2/27/2002
05:04:23
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On my R/T it added just over 20 peak hp, but at 5200RPM, I was making 40hp more than with the beer barrel. The hp curve was much flatter. With beer barrel, I was making just over 200hp at 5200RPM. With the 2bbl M1 I was still at 245hp at 5200RPM.
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
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2/27/2002
08:41:37
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I have the dyno graphs, and a chart with side by side comparisons of beer barrel and M1 if anyone wants to see them.
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MikeD
Dodge Dakota
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2/27/2002
08:47:01
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I have an R/T w/ an M-1 on I'd like to see the numbers.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
2/27/2002
09:54:38
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yea id like to see the chart!
thanks, Eric
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xplikt
Dodge Dakota
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2/27/2002
10:31:35
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Crusty, I think you might be right, I must have just been seeing a lot of V6s with them and I was told different (by only one person, lol), but since I havn't heard of too many (or I guess none now) people with the 4.7 with it, I'm guessing not. Yet another thing the 4.7Ls are screwed out of. JBA headers were another thing since they don't work with Bernd's turbo system. Wow...intake...exhaust, 180 degree stat..bigger TB...cool. The 4.7s market sucks major ass. Note to self, call Mopar today.
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MikeD
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2/27/2002
10:40:08
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Or just trade in your 4.7 for an R/T. :)
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HSKR
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2/27/2002
11:13:03
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Okay, here is the link to the webpage I just made with the before and after dyno graphs, and the comparison chart that was made using the two graphs.
www.geocities.com/wanagetsome1/dynocmpare.html
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
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2/27/2002
11:15:09
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Okay, so my first attempt at html code on this forum failed. Just copy and paste the link and it will work fine. Wait, just ralized I have a typo in the link. use this one:
www.geocities.com/wanagetsome1/dynocompare.html
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andrew
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2/27/2002
11:22:40
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how much does an m-1 cost? do they have a web page?
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MikeD
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2/27/2002
11:30:22
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I noticed the M-1 had a loss of HP on the low end under 3500rpm. Is there any way to take care of that?
~Mike~
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HSKR
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2/27/2002
11:31:05
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Not sure what the new price is on the 2bbl M1 since Mopar had a price increase this year. I guess since they were such a hot item last year and it seemed they were always on backorder they decided to increase the price to make more money on something that actually sells real good and actually has a big benifit for the aftermarket crowd.
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HSKR
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2/27/2002
11:36:43
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The only real lose is in TQ. You have to remember another thing. Both dyno runs were on two differnet days on different dyno's. That coudl account for some difference. But the amount of gain woudl still be substantial after 4K RPM where you can use it more. I can definitly feela difference from 3K on up with the 2bbl, and can't really say the bottom end suffered very much at all. I stil have traction problems, and can spin them just as easy as before.
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MikeD
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2/27/2002
11:44:44
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Oh yeah I can definatley feel the top end no complaints at all about that, but it sorta bogs through the 2-3000 range after it shifts to 2nd gear. Just wondering what mod I did to my truck would take care of that.
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HSKR
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2/27/2002
11:48:05
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Relocate the MAP sensor vacume hose to one of the intake plenum ports, and plug the hole in the TB. ALso, chekc you TPS sensor as per Speed Tweaks website. I didn't have a bog on mine until my Jacobs ignition went out. Now I do have a slight bog, but it's not bad.
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MikeD
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2/27/2002
12:01:00
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Cool I'll try all that.
Thanks
~Mike~
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xplikt
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2/27/2002
13:57:36
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"Or just trade in your 4.7 for an R/T. :)"
I like my manual, heh.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
2/27/2002
14:32:06
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well after driveing for a couple of miles, i found out this thing pulls!
at low rpm's i havent seemed to loose any torque, in fact i think i gained some.
the pcm hasnt learnd the mod yet so ill see what happens latter.
it revs faster, and the exhaust sounds deeper, and a little more raspy. (in other words WAY BETTER)
so far its a toss up which is better, the 1.7's or the M-1. i know the 1.7's definatly complimented the manifold tho.
Eric
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MikeD
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2/27/2002
15:01:57
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Are the 1.7's harder to install and adjust the valves than it was to install the M-1?
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kota on 20s
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2/27/2002
17:44:30
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well there is no adjustment on the 1.7's.
i wouldnt say the manifold was easier, just the rockers were more of a tedious job. you have to crank the engine over by hand untill the piston is @ TDC, and turn the nut 3/4 of a turn, then lock it down with the allen nut. multiply that job by 8 and that is the project.
i think i got a little more out of the 1.7's, but the pcm hasnt learnd the program yet, so we will see
Eric
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MikeD
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2/27/2002
18:35:02
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I'm sure its a little more difficult to tell really just how much top end you get out of the M-1 if you already have the rockers which increase the topend anyway. But I can imagine how much harder its pulling now w/ the combo on it. Are you noticing any bog in the engine in any range?
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kota on 20s
GenIII
2/27/2002
20:23:08
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yea it is impossible for me to tell how much just the manifold does, but all i know is, I LIKE IT.
i havent really noticed any boging at all, but i havent really got on it that much to tell. also i can tell the pcm is still learning. i should be able to see what is going on in a couple of days.
i am also going to relocate my vacume line going into the map sensor and see what that does.
Eric
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YA
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2/27/2002
23:18:22
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I finally have a tank of gas through my truck with the M1 2bbl. IT"S GREAT!
No bottom end loss and it will rev past 5500rpm no problem.
HSKR- Great dyno numbers. Can't wait to dyno mine. My 5.2 was at 243rwhp at 5200rpm BEFOR the M1 swap with my 5 speed.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
2/28/2002
01:22:04
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YA, what mods do you have? i have the same combo, and im kinda wondering what RWHP im at.
Eric
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Anthony G
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2/28/2002
09:41:39
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My 1.7 RR helped that bog. The bog was only present if the truck had a bad start (stock RR), meaning that it had no traction. I haven't tested it much, since I just past the 50 mile mark. It does sweeps that RPM gauge fast in the upper RPM range (1.7).
I still have my headers to put on :) I can't wait to see how much that will help.
Summit was able to send me a pair of Mopar MAGNUM Polished covers for $130esh! The dealer wanted $250 up to $300 range for the Magnum ones! HA
So why does the MAGNUM PERFORMANCE cost more the the MOPAR PERFORMANCE writing?
All I can say is, the engine is running and looking great! I'll post some pictures after I install the headers!
K&N FIPK2, F&B 50MM TB, MOPAR M1 2BBL, MOPAR 1.7 RR, MOPAR POLISHED MAGNUM COVERS, GIBSON CHROME HEADERS, BORG W CAP&ROTOR, 9MM JBL WIRES, Stant 180, Autolites, IAT, MAGNAFLOW MUFFLER.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
3/01/2002
13:28:25
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hey anthony, when im just lightly pressing the gas, the truck seems like its holding back. i have to give it about 1/2 throttle (maby more) and then it just go's. does yours do that?
i hope my gaskets sealed right
Eric
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kota on 20s
GenIII
3/01/2002
14:25:09
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disregard that last post. i relocated the lines that were going to my map sensor to the intake ports (like HSKR sugested) seems to have solved the problem
Eric
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MikeD
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3/01/2002
14:34:36
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Really that worked, it helped w/ the bog? Sweet I'm gonna try that on my truck...its the hose thats on the far left at the front of the throttle body right? And did you just plug the hole w/ the rubber plug from the M-1 install kit?
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