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Cal Dak
Dodge Dakota
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1/15/2002
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Without a supercharger that is. Assuming there is no mods to the V-8. I am soon to get a flowmaster and have K&N and a TBS.
Any input would be appreciated.
4X4 V-6 ext. cab auto
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Dodge Dakota
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1/15/2002
21:19:20
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nitrous, headers, intake, TB, etc...Bernds truck
looks pretty fast, but he has nitrous and a
supercharger. Unless you have a toyota v6,
then I think you're outta luck. Check out the
new sport truck magazine, they have an 01 s-
runner with limited slip, TRD supercharger,
and it ran almost even with the lightning (on
the road to vegas) they are in the middle of
adding NOS. God help me if I ever pull up
next to a TRD s-runner!
D
01/4.7/CC3.55/airaid/dynomax3"/TBspacer/
JetStage2/DJMdrop3-6/pegleg
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CW
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1/15/2002
21:23:23
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Don't get the TB spacer it doesn't work just makes noise. I had one on my '97 5.2 and will give it to you to show you it doesn't work. Works good as a cool paper weight.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat.
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Dodge Dakota
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1/15/2002
22:29:10
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yeah, get an R/T throttle body. Hey CW, do you
have the 68mm throttle body on your dak?
Mine has, and I was wondering how to get it
ported? I really dont want to do it myself, but if
there Is a sure way of doing it, i would try.
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CW
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1/15/2002
23:50:43
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There is a nasty lip before the throttle blade that I got rid of makes for more power all the way to 5000. Just make the TB entrance the same size as the throttle blade. TIP: port it with the throttle blade in place and you can't port anything that you are not supposed to. I used a dremel tool with 60 grit sanding rolls. Yes I have the 68mm for now.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat.
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
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1/16/2002
14:56:59
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Answer to original question is: bigger V8 or a V10.
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dodgeboy
Dodge Dakota
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1/16/2002
20:55:06
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Heres how to beat...umm I mean smoke a V8 =P
- 1993 3.9l block
- stock pistons and rods
- turned/polished crank
- KRC Performance ported heads
- r/t vavle springs
- mopar1.6rr's
- chromemolly pushrods
- Comp 200/206 504/512 cam
- Ported intake manifold
- Fastman tb
- MSD 6a ignition and wires
- ASP crank pulley
- 3000cfm 16in electric fan
- 14x3 k&n
- High flow 93 Y pipe and manifolds
- Full 3in exhaust w/ flowmaster
- Catco high flow cat
- IAT box
- 3.92 lsd rear
- full synthetic lubes
- centerforce dual friction clutch
oh wait..thats my motor =P
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CW
GenIII
1/16/2002
21:04:01
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What do you run on that little guy.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat.
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bernd
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1/16/2002
21:20:31
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here's how I do it:
Current Engine and Driveline Modifications include:
Powerdyne Supercharger (10# boost)
S&B 7" BigMouth Cone Filter
NOS "Sneeky Pete" 40HP Nitrous Shot
Crower 1.6:1 Roller Rockers
Mopar Performance Hydraulic-Roller Lifters
Mopar Performance Dbl-Row/True-Roller Timing Chain w/Tensioner
Flometrics 50mm Billet Throttle Body
Ford Motorsports 24# Injectors
Modified factory intake manifold
JBA Ceramic-Coated Headers w/JBA EVOL Exhaust System (3" Single Side Exit)
Accel 300+ Ignition System w/Accel Coil
JBA 9mm Plug Wires
Denso-Iridium IQ16 Spark Plugs (In testing)
SuperChips Race ICON
Optima Marine/Off-road Battery (Blue-Top) - Relocated to Toolbox
Hotchkis 2/3 Drop Kit
17"x9" 'Mopar Accessory' Rims
BFG G-Force KDWS 255/50-17's
3.90:1 DANA 8.25" Posi
Cowl Induction Hood (Keeps the engine compartment cooler by 15 degrees)
IAT Adjuster & MAP/Boost Bypass
Custom built "Cool-Toob" (Liquid-to-Air Intercooler)
Update 01/16/02
We took the truck to the Dyno Shop for some fine tuning and A/F readings. There's still plenty of power to be made out of this V6 but we're very happy with the results.
258RWHP / 357RWTQ (Add 15-18% for Driveline loss - 5Speed - and we're past the 300HP at the crank.)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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Dodge Dakota
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1/16/2002
22:56:46
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damn
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dodgeboy
Dodge Dakota
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1/16/2002
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well..mines still in the shed..awaiting my heads that are in purgatory at krc =P. My 93 with just bolt ons and a 3.55 rear went low 15's...this one has a bit more grunt ;)...hope to match some of the times bernd gets using a baby bottle and a blower :D.
oh yea..... a vortech is in my future...can let that damn gen 3 be too much faster than me
-greg
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bernd
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1/17/2002
00:15:40
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DodgeBoy: Hehehehe...hurry up then, the new short block is almost done and the heads are right after that. ;)
(The new long block should be good for about 250HP N/A and then there's the blower and about a 60-75HP shot of "Baby Bottle" juice on top of that.)
My goal is a 400HP V6...daily driver.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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R. Middleton
Dodge Dakota
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1/17/2002
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Hey Bernd.
How much of a difference did moving the battery make in terms of launch and hookup. Last fall I moved mine to the space between the wheelhouse and the tailgate on the pass side and am curious what kind of improvement to expect.
Thanks in advance.
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dodgeboy93
Dodge Dakota
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1/17/2002
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I'm trying...tell Marty that :). I was considering differnt pistons...but school bills came in....and well they money just wasnt there. Marty said he could custom cut me a set off ross pistons to give me a true 10:1 compression have a .040 quench clearance with out any block work...sounded damn good but couldnt afford it. :(
just have to make up for its short comings with forced induction...hehe...and that 500 lb weight advantage over you doesnt hurt either..if the motor makes 200 at the wheels I'll be happy
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bernd
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1/17/2002
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Moving the battery, in my case, was to allow for more underhood room (Intercooler Resovoir and pump). It didn't make all that much of a difference since i'm using a Optima Battery (much lighter than the lead/acid batteries). In road racing, every pound helps though.
Dodgeboy, without the nitrous...she makes 211HP at the rear wheels.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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87DakBuilder
Dodge Dakota
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1/17/2002
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Burnd that 400 hp daily driver is gonna be a real killer, let up know what she runs and thanx for all of the help that you have given me thus far. I'm looking forward to the completion of my 87 Gen I with about 250-300 ponnies under the hood.
87DakBuilder
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Bob
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1/17/2002
17:35:31
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Hey Bernd,how much money does it take to beat a V8?
00 Dakota CC 4x2 SLT Plus
4.7 auto 235hp 355 L/S
Forest Green-Driftwood
00 R/T cat back K&N drop-in
factory flairs added tinted windows
Extang bed cover
Viper alarm&remote starter
02 Grand Cherokee Laredo
4.7 235hp 5spd auto
Steel Blue
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mike
Dodge Dakota
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1/18/2002
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bernd, i am thinking of sending my heads to marty as my winter project. what kind of hp are we talkin is it worth it. she is a blown 99 v-6.
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noToy
Dodge Dakota
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1/19/2002
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It would take a Toyota v6 to beat a v6 Dakota.My truck is fast and I have raced many dodge and ford trucks and beat them all.For the money you can't loose with a toy.My dad has a stock RT and I can beat him.
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bernd
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1/19/2002
21:24:51
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Bob: About $5000 if spent wisely.
Mike: With the heads alone, approximately 20-30HP depending on the work done.
noToy: Hehehehehe... * No Comment * ;)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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xplikt
Dodge Dakota
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1/20/2002
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Damn lurkers.
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Bob
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1/20/2002
08:38:51
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Hey bernd,I haven't seen a latest drag strip time from you,must be turning some very good times with your truck.Bernd with all the research and time you have put in your truck,I think it is time for your truck to a per in a magazine.
What made you change the per-runner look?It must ride and handle better than before I would say.Hey Bernd would like to see you do a project on a RT truck,like throw a way the school buss engine and put in a 383 or 440 block with the intake set up from the {360}engine.What do you think about that?
PS Bernd nice to see you back to the this web site,when you speck ever one listens.
00 Dakota CC 4x2 SLT Plus
4.7 auto 235hp 355 L/S
Forest Green-Driftwood
00 R/T cat back K&N drop-in
factory flairs added tinted windows
Extang bed cover
Viper alarm&remote starter
02 Grand Cherokee Laredo
4.7 235hp 5spd auto
Steel Blue
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bernd
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1/20/2002
10:11:18
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Bob, my latest times are under my signature (14.55@96.01mph). Yup, the ride was fun in PreRunner form, but at 70mph...the front end was all over the road/track. Plus, I missed the slot-car type handling. :)
I wouldn't mind seeing a 383 in these trucks...but there's a few mid-10 second and 11 second R/T's out there...on the 360 (or 408). I know it's already been done with a carb, but i'd rather see a fuel injected 340 in these trucks.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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Bob
GenIII
1/20/2002
11:24:47
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Hey cool Bernd-Da I didn't see your time,VERY GOOD.I seen a Dakota in a HOT ROD magazine a couple of years a go on a 340 in a gen 2 Dak.This truck had a 340 with the FI intake from the 318 that was in it.
00 Dakota CC 4x2 SLT Plus
4.7 auto 235hp 355 L/S
Forest Green-Driftwood
00 R/T cat back K&N drop-in
factory flairs added tinted windows
Extang bed cover
Viper alarm&remote starter
02 Grand Cherokee Laredo
4.7 235hp 5spd auto
Steel Blue
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