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DakTer
Dodge Dakota
1/01/2002
03:25:53
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Hello, I was just wondering how much it would take to run in the 12s in a 99 CC r/t. What internally would it take? Thanks for any suggestions.
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KenDawg
Dodge Dakota
1/01/2002
12:09:22
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Whoa thats pretty fast for a truck, but anyways I say. Supercharge it new intake system, new exhaust system. NOS too. Good luck trying not to melt your pistons though.
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Boomer
Dodge Dakota
1/01/2002
13:41:38
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A big cam & new intake setup, manifold from Mopar perf, and K&N or intense perf filter kit. Fuel injectors from Ford Racing (maybe 24lb/hr) with a big throttle body. New heads that are ported and polished. Headers with true dual exhaust with high flow cats. Roller timing chain and an MSD or Jacobs system with good standard plugs, no platnium. Supercharge it and run NOS. Find an electric fan that will keep the engine cool and add water wetter or purple ice to the coolant system. And last but not least, after you have all that done, have the PCM flashed. With all that you might get there considering you have a CC. If you have a lot of extra $$ just sitting around, balance and blue print it. If you go to a bigger cam, don't change the rockers, as changing the rockers will 'trick' the engine into thinking the cam is even bigger, which might hurt.
Boomer
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yep
Dodge Dakota
1/02/2002
16:05:55
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i'd concentrate more on getting traction, some well placed weight in the right rear corner under the bumper can go a long way to limit wheel spin, and i'm guessing that's where you're losing most of your et.
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litlpunisher
GenIII
1/02/2002
17:02:44
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Every bolt on out there. Plus MSD ignition and retard box or equivelent, at least a 150 shot, slicks, shift kit, cam, adjustable roller rockers, springs, port and polish heads, may consider forged pistons to be extra safe.
98 Dakota
Bottle fed 340ci
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jjj
Dodge Dakota
1/02/2002
17:17:35
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OR get rid of the small block and put a mild 383 or 440 in it. Would also sound good.
Jeff
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kota on 20s
GenIII
1/02/2002
20:42:55
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a 408 will do it! a guy on blackdakrt.com has a NA 408 and runs a 13.02 on slicks. with a tinny shot of gas you will be in the 12's. or supercharg it and be deep in the 12's or 11's
Eric
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
1/03/2002
00:45:58
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A 4.7 with basic mod's and a TURBO!!
Duner did 12.7's with just that!! I have a friend that's putting me in touch with a turbo engineer out here in Van. Probably still a year or so away but I am shelving the SC idea and thinking turbo also!!
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92dakotahd
GenI
1/03/2002
16:39:01
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I have a buddy with a R/T with the 408 Stroker in it, he has a cam so large that the engine had to be shaved to fit it in and he at a discount rate has over $10K in the truck and has only run 13 flat. he hasn't put NOS in it yet but is probably on the way. According to him it should be in MOPAR Magazine in a few months, he needs some rims first. But I also have a friend with a '92 CC that has a 340 with some custom stuff and NOS and the builder of both trucks say with some heads he'll beat the R/T with no prob.
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Brian024.7
Dodge Dakota
1/03/2002
16:47:17
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damn, $10k
looks like turbo is the answer :)
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Jim
Dodge Dakota
1/03/2002
17:04:11
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TOO MUCH CASH! For me anyway.
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bernd
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1/03/2002
20:41:21
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A good friend has his 2001 R/T in the low 12's (stock PCM, Injectors, cam, and heads). Actually, 12.56 @ 103mph (hit the speed limiter 50 yards from the traps) and a 12.88 @ 111mph.
Powerdyne + 75HP NX Shot w/Mopar headers, y-pipe, M1-2BBL, 52mm Flometrics TB, MSD, and a few other small mods. The heads were cleaned up and the bowls were polished to prevent detonation.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.65 @ 95.01mph
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DakTer
Dodge Dakota
1/03/2002
22:19:41
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Thanks for the post Bernd I was getting worried with all the talk of new engines just to shave 2 seconds off.
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litpunisher
Dodge Dakota
1/04/2002
08:22:55
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92dakotahd you wouldn't be talking about Terry would you. He's the only one I know who built a 92 with a 340 in it.
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92dakotahd
GenI
1/05/2002
19:19:54
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litpunisher, yes I am in a way, the truck has changed hands a few times now and now belongs to Matt Whelchel in New Castle IN, and that truck is pure genious.
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Shorttime
Dodge Dakota
1/05/2002
21:07:58
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I run high 12's The first thing you need is good weather and a stickey track. Then add a Vortech S/C running 8lbs of boost. Stock long block with 1.7s. F&B 50 mm tb and a M1 4bbl on the intake side. Mopar (leach) headers to 3" cutout's for the exhaust. Then get everything to stick with some MT et 28X10.5X 15 slicks. Normally run low 13's in the summer ( 70-90 degrees) at the local track ( Milan) But have ran 12's in the fall (50-60 degrees) at IHRA Norwalk track in Ohio. Also a Elev. of 600 ft doesn't hurt.
Ken
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shorttime
Dodge Dakota
1/05/2002
21:10:31
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I forgot -- the truck is a 2000 CC R/T
Ken
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badinblack
Dodge Dakota
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1/19/2002
15:25:44
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dude if you are wanting to get into the 12's, there is this a guy in Indiana that i have heard build's some cool trucks, that are pretty fast. I got one of his busines cards from a guy that had a blue r/t and it says 408 stokers and nitrous systems. his name is Jon Davis and the number is 765-348-4386. He might give you some insight. good luck
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92dakotahd
GenII
1/20/2002
20:53:54
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I know Jon's work and it is impressive. He built a friend of mine's '01 CC R/T and it's running 13 flat. The only thing about the guy is that if your wanting your truck back in a hurry he's not your guy from what I hear, he's a weekend warrior from what I hear but is pure genious when it comes to just about anything mechanical. If you've got the $$ and the desire he's your man though. You might wait a bit though he is still working on the guinea pig truck (my friends) to get all of the bugs out. But from what I've seen that won't take long.
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badinblack
Dodge Dakota
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1/20/2002
23:34:29
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What are you talking about? I know about Jon and evidently, you don't know what you are talking about. He can get things done in no time. You better find out your facts before you go telling stuff about people you obviously don't know. I live in Kokomo,IN, so I've seen his work. Plus, when I saw that Blue R/T run, I didn't think it had many bugs to be worked out, looked pretty impressive to me.
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92dakotahd
GenII
1/21/2002
00:13:37
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First of all, I graduated with the OWNER of that R/T. That truck has been in the hands of Jon for basically the last 2 winters, and when I say that the original work was done over a span of almost 5 months! I'm not saying this is bad but how many people can give up their vehicle for that span of time. The first weekend out the truck blew out it's rearend, as a matter of fact the first time it was in the burnout box, the rearend went out. Right now the truck is sitting at home without a motor while Jon works on an oil leak problem and the split second box, traction bars, and fuel mixture have never been perfected. I'm not saying that any of this is Jon's fault. I've heard nothing but good things about the guy but he's not the kind of guy you give a truck to on friday and get it back on sunday or monday. He's always got a few projects and no real project is #1. That CC 408 is awesome I know, one of my best friends drove it and he said it's acceleration can only be compared with a motorcycle. But also keep in mind that the 13 second run was made by a guy almost half the owner's weight with NO BELTS! Not even a water pump. It's a great truck but it's got something like $12,000 in it at least and 2k of that was just in the fuel system. I KNOW MY FACTS! Jon is awesome at what he does but he's got a bad chevy he's working on, a different R/T that may become the fastest R/T ever, a big van he's been working on for a while and some work on a friends shadow that hit two deer in one night. He's a weekend warrior and he's not the fastest guy at what he does but he's probably the best. That's all I was trying to say and if you have a problem with it you've been breathing too much of that Kokomo factory air.
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408 Owner
Dodge Dakota
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1/21/2002
10:39:23
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To Zack Burcham of New Castle,Indiana - Great story, maybe you should switch your major to Jounalism and write fiction stories. You do a good job. This is Ronnie and I own the truck you are talking about. First, Jon had only the motor of the truck the first winter to build it. He couldn't build overnight because I could only pay for parts and get them to him over a 4 month period. Second, the Limited Slip was bad in the truck before we even got the motor rebuilt. It completely went out the third time we took it to the track. Third, the truck is in my garage without the motor because the motor is being put on a dyno to remap the computer system so we don't have to run the Split Second Box. The oil leak is from a bad seal around the Distributor, not because of a problem with the motor. There is no problem with the Split Second Box (It belongs to Jon) or Traction Bars. If there is a problem with the Traction Bars it is that I don't need them. Spring Clamps would be just fine. I won't even go into the Fuel Mixture with you because I believe it would be a territory that is to in depth for your imaginative mind. You failed to mention that the next run after the 13.00 run was a 13.02@108.47mph with the belts on. The so called fastest R/T ever might be if it were on a Jet, because that truck was built a customized R/T with very lttle work done to the "Stock Motor". The van is a 1953 2door Plymouth Station Wagon that belongs to Jon himself. The Shadow was a $200 wrecked vehicle that Jon worked on the torque converter for his friend. Is Jon suppose to work on one vehicle and wait days or weeks for parts before he does some work on another vehicle? I have about $9,000 in truck if you include the Motor, Bed Rug, Ram Air Hood, K&N Filter, Tonneau Cover, Exhaust, Roll Pan, Cuda Tips, Painted Handles and Mirrors, Muffler, Dual Pod w/Gauges, some CD's, a Happy Meal for Ryan and a few other goodies. Also I have $0 in the Fuel System unless you are talking about the gasoline I put in the truck to get 18.3 mpg on the highway. Jon may not run the 100 yard dash in 10 flat (He has gained a few pounds) but he is the best in motor work you will ever meet. I guess what I am saying is stick with your Six Cylinders, it seems more than enough for you handle. Ronnie (Stoker 408)
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92dakotahd
GenII
1/21/2002
10:53:40
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I'm not trying to bash on Jon! Can't anybody see that! The guy is the best from everything I've heard and I've said that time after time. But you guys just don't listen. Look at my previous posts, they speak for themselves. That's all I'm going to say for now just because I don't want to sink to Ronnie's level.
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litlpunisher
GenIII
1/21/2002
11:51:12
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your posts are so long I've been falling asleep before i can finish them. Any ways 408 owner 13 flat that some good time you should try spraying a 100 shot or 150 shot, you would probably be in the 11's. Now that would be one hell of a ride
98 Dakota
Bottle fed 340ci
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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1/21/2002
14:28:04
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HEY RONNIE!!
That fuel system breakdown may have been too much for Zack, but there's a few of us that have been eyeing your 408 combo and thinking about imitating it. Can you sort of explain what IS being done on the dyno to eliminate the Split Second Box? Will you need to run an auxillary in-line fuel pump? An FMU? What all are they doing?
And if you've got $9000 in the truck, how much was motor/trans and how much was body work/suspension, etc?
I think you & Ryan have a kick-A$$ ride at 18 mpg and no breakage. Anyone who doesn't already know about you guys would think that everything under that hood is stock (except the headers and 4-bbl TB). I'd love to hear all the gory details on the set-up. It really sounds pretty inexpensive if you take out all the custom body work.
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matt
Dodge Dakota
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1/21/2002
20:48:06
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anyone ever seen that black cc concept with the 528 hemi... and 750 hp? what do you think it,s 1/4 mi. time would be?
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408 Owner
Dodge Dakota
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1/21/2002
21:50:50
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The motor is being takin to a company in IN that is going to map out the fuel system on the dyno, before it is put in the truck. They are working on a system similar to the fel pro , but better. There is only $400 in the suspension, about $3000 in cosmetic stuff. $500 torque conveter. $4500 in the motor. those are ruff figures give or take a few dollars. It has 4bbl throttle body, headers all that good stuff. If you really wanted to know more on the fuel system you would have to talk to Jon. I believe he said he would build a short block, with custom grind cam, forged crank for $3,500. If you send him your block and rods. Our motor was built before the forged crank came out. The fuel system is going to be pretty cool. There is a ton of things you can do with it, i could fill up another page. Plus some of it is still in testing. Jon made the offer at the first national meet to build a stroker, so that is why we had some slack on labor. For a ton more info Call Jon Davis at 765-348-4386. Oh yea, Zach the second you made your first post you sunk past my level.Good luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2002
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Well, you guys have one of the baddest trucks I've found. Pushin a 4200lb pig to 13.0's is damn impressive. I love watching the videos on blackdakrt.com, so keep us updated. Think it'll pick up any power through this fuel tuning, or just become stone cold reliable?
Thanks for the info.....
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408 Owner
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2002
09:40:18
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Hoping to pick up some power, plus it is getting a bigger cam in it. I think like 228 or degree's of duration. .546 or around there in lift
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2002
11:17:41
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That's awesome..... So you could possibly be loking at 12.70's to 12.50's when the motor gets bolted back in....
In a Nat. Asp. street driven pickup truck (hello?)
I'm going to have to get a paper towel to clean up the saliva. Sorry.
What you guys have accomplished is pretty much a project that I've been dreaming of for about three years now. I was going to supercharge a 360 and go 12.50's in a daily driver.... Looks like I may be able to pull it off without the blown headgaskets! Hell Yeah!
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408 Owner
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2002
14:33:53
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Yea, i know alot of supercharger guys pop the head gaskets like crazy. Never had anything done to our motor and still run's strong. Jon has a fix for poping the head gaskets, but don't even ask what it is cause i don't know.
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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1/22/2002
14:50:11
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I think it's pretty much having the block and heads grooved for o-rings, which means you have to run copper head gaskets. Had a buddy with a Gen II w/ a 360 that was Vortech'd to about 8 psi (I don't really remember how much boost) but he was always blowing head gaskets. The o-ring job stopped all that. He was at 12.20 w/ boost and 11.6's with a 90-shot over the boost.
That was a fun truck.
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