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OffRoadRuss
Dodge Dakota
12/13/2001
13:06:34
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I own a 2001 4.7 QC and have driven the other V8's in the DAK line...
I also own a '98 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 5.9 engine. It only had this engine option in 1998 (high compression, high flow exaust, etc) .
The bottom line is that the Jeep pulls harder (stock 0-60mph in under 7 seconds) and the tranny is MUCH smoother...
Why is there such a discrepancy? I know the jeep was built for speed and is generally more $$, but the difference is worlds apart...
Dont get me wrong - I LOVE MY DAKOTA!, but I am so impressed with the 5.9 Jeep, I just had to ask why.
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If you wanted more info on the limited edition jeep- here is a good site- IT IS NOT MINE, though: http://www.geocities.com/frankieroti/homepage.htm
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OffRoadRuss
Dodge Dakota
12/13/2001
21:03:32
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Sorry for the stupid Q. I meant it to sound a little more rhetorical - as in “why cant the dak tranny be as smooth as my 5.9 jeep gc?”
its really a fun suv - AWD and 345 lb-ft Torque @ 2,800 rpm really make it a stoplight-to-stoplight sleeper.
anyway- no more cough syrup before work. Thanks for holding back the flames.
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macman37
Dodge Dakota
12/14/2001
14:00:45
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OffRoadRuss
I feel your pain. I hop in my wife's Liberty and then my 3.9l Quad and it's night and day. I think it's the tranmission but I'm no mechanic and could most definitely be wrong!
Mac
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D
Dodge Dakota
12/15/2001
02:42:18
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man, how do you decide which one to modify
first? my dak shifts like sh!t, but its a truck,
$21,.... so i cant complain. I wonder if it has
anything to do with the awd system in the jeep
that makes it shift smoother? Lighting up all
four tires must be fun till you have to replace
them with some z-rated 16"s huh?
have you dragged your jeep vs. the dak?
I think the comp might be close...mine
smoked my friends 98 5.9 limited cherokee.
And its a one wheel drive pickup!!!!!!!!
Doug
01/CC4.7/3.55/airaid/TBspacer/flowmaster/Jet
Chip II/DJM 3/5/pegleg :(
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bernd
*GenIII*
12/15/2001
14:39:54
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If you really want to cry about a Jeep being fast:
http://hometown.aol.com/chuck99876/myhomepage/index.html
(Ok...now THAT is a sleeper!) Impressive. :)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.65 @ 95.01mph
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
12/15/2001
14:52:50
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hey you forgot to mention the new 265 hp 4.7 V8 in the Grand Cherokee Overland
BTW bernd, can you take a 5.9???
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
12/16/2001
15:46:20
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I think comparing the 5.9 jeep to a R/T Dakota and you'll think twice about the power thing. I test drove 3 5.9 limited before getting the R/T and the R/T will just smoke the Jeep. It's nothing different about the motor but the Jeep is just heavier then the 2wd Dakota. To be fair you'd really have to compare the 4x4 QC 5.9 Dakota to the Jeep, but then the Dakota is heavier. I've heard the new HO 4.7 Jeeps are still not as quice as the 5.9 limiteds, the 5.9's are still the king Jeep although you gotta love that new quadradrive that came out in 1999.
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
12/16/2001
17:36:16
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Ya there's little doubt about your bias. I'd take the 4.7 HO over a 5.9 without even giving it a second thought.
Simple physics tells me that it will smoke a 5.9 limited. More HP, greatly reduced weight and higher rev's. Ya I hear the 5.9 is still quicker however also. LOL.
If the regular 4.7's are often manhandling the R/T's then I just don't see the HO not winning easily even with an auto tranny.
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
12/17/2001
01:14:29
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too bad overlands are ~$36,000 and r/t's are like ~$25,000
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bernd
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12/17/2001
09:38:11
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LIBlackDak: Yes...to a point. It depends on existing modifications on the 5.9L (it's that age old cubinc inch thing). My truck vs. a stock (or mildly modified) 5.9L...it'll be REAL close and the win would depend on the driver.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.65 @ 95.01mph
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toast
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
22:39:08
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Jeffster, i don't think the 4.7 is "manhandleing" the R/T. Keeping up with it, yes, but only in a 5sp form and a good driver. I don't want to start another stupid 4.7 vs. 5.9 flame war because i am sick and tried of hearing it. The 4.7 guys think they are the BADDEST thing around and on the other hand most NOT ALL 5.9 owners think that puny engines can't put a hurting on their truck. It all depends on the driver, the truck, and what mods are on them. The reason why i chose the 5.9 over the 4.7 is beacuse i do like automatics and hate to shift, plus the 5.9 is easy to mod and sounds better too.
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
22:53:51
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I didn't say they all are, toast. Some do then again some R/T's probably do some manhandling of there own.
5.9 smoother and better sounding? That's debateable. If you mean smoother in that you don't have to shift sure. As far as cruising or idling the 4.7 is very smooth.
R/T's are easier to mod and do sound better stock no question. You should however hear my exaust before you pass judgement. I have a 3" exaust right from the Y pipe and it sounds awesome IMHO. Holy shi... is it loud!! especially with the intake and ported T/B. She breath's very nice. Dropping the main cat and extending the 3" pipe to the Y pipe did more for power than the cat back alone did. BTW 4.7 mods are becoming readily available. It's really disapointing however when people ask if it's a 5.9 and I say no it's a 4.7 and they seem to think "oh that's all" Perhaps I am a little over agressive beating the 4.7 drum but as I have owned the truck for awhile now and added mod's I've calmed down. I let the truck speak for itself everytime I punish some snot nose kid that thinks his car is fast but doesn't know better. Actually it takes a lot more than just the snot nose kids by surprises. Shi.. it even surprises me still.
Peace
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toast
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
23:07:38
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The 4.7s i have heard sound too 4.6 mustangish to me, but it sounds like you did some heavy exhast work to your truck and true all i have is a 40series flowbeys on a stock motor and its sound pretty nice. The only thing that gets me down is that the flowbeys sound like there is something that is holding exhaust flow back. I am going to take my muffler off tommoro and see how it sounds and if it sounds better i am going to get another muffler. Thinking about getting the dynomax race style muffler, my thorey is the louder the better. I still got some more mods to do to my truck (k&n 14x3, ported TB, and ram air or cowl hood)then i will be set untill my wareenty runs out.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
23:27:36
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The overland 4.7 HO may have a lighter motor then the 5.9 limited did but the 5.9 limited is lighter overall as it was only in the smaller pre 99 Jeep body. The 4.7 HO also does not make as much torque as the 5.9 limited, and that is just as important as making horsepower. It's the same reason why the Jeep will beat the new Trailblazer (even with the regular 4.7), the Chevy may have big HP but it doesn't have any torque. If you were to put the 5.9 motor in the current Jeep Grand Cherokee it would be neck and neck with the 4.7 HO, but that extra weight the new Jeep carries is killing it. It doesn't get the advantage of the 5-speed to make up for the lack of torque in the Jeep. When the Jeep gets the new 5.7 Hemi then things will probably change, but once again it will be heavier yet (even another redesigned body with seating for 7), and you think $38,000 is to much... just wait.
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
01:22:23
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how do daks fair against trailblazers???
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TODD
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
12:15:47
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IS THE 5.7 GOING TO COME OUT IN 2003
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
19:38:44
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Well if a Jeep can beat a Trailblazer stock, and a Dakota can beat a Jeep stock, then I'd say the Dakota would smoke a trailblazer stock. Of couse this is assuming a R/T or 2wd 4.7 5-speed. A v-6 QC 4x4 might have a problem, a 4x4 v-8 would probably beat it in RC or CC form and be pretty even in the QC.
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
19:41:05
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to bad i have a CC V6 4x4 lol
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92dakotahd
GenI
12/29/2001
15:39:00
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To Really get a good comparison of the 5.9 GC compare them to the Durango, I have heard that the Jeeps are better at what jeeps are supposed to be better at 4 wheeling. One lady I knew said her's got buried in the driveway overnight in a snow drift and she just shifted to 4WD Low and hopped it.
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
12/29/2001
16:06:46
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u mean dakota/durangos can't shift into 4wd and get out of snow??? thats news to me
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
12/29/2001
22:57:43
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Theres no doubt the Jeep is a more capable trail 4x4 then the Dakota or Durango although I'm sure any of them could tackle the likes of a snow bank. The new Quadra track on the Jeeps is also vastly superior to anything the Dodges come with (personally I don't think anything comes with a better AWD system). Going back to the Jeep 5.9 limited, it didn't come with a system as good as the current GC's are available with. There are some advantages to the Durango like it can seat more people, but if I were going on a serious 4x4 trek I'd want the Jeep in a heartbeat.
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
12/30/2001
11:15:53
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jeeps dont handle as well during regular driving as dakotas though ;-)
but whats the differance offroad?? will dakotas get stuck in spots that jeeps wont?? I know quadra drive is better then dodges systems but isnt it more for road traction then offroading??
also it would take a hell of a lot more to flip a dak 4x4 then a grand cherokee
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92dakotahd
GenI
12/30/2001
13:39:54
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I'm not saying that a durango/dakota can shift into 4wd and get through snow, I have friends with both 5.9 a GC and durango, you can't tell me that with the weight of a durango that it can hop a grill high snow drift that has formed around it. Durango's use the grunt of the motor while jeeps use the smoother side of the spectrum. In short, Jeeps go over obstacles, durangos try to go through first.
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
12/30/2001
14:17:49
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i guess but we're talking about dakotas which are very different then durangos despite looking the same. and dakotas are not much heavier then jeeps at (execpt the QC)
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
12/31/2001
18:51:11
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I'm talking about things like approach, and breakover angles, ramp scores, and suspension travel. The Jeep is just better in all traditional, measurable, off road catagories. Nothing short of a Humvee is going to beat a Jeep off road, and I'm not just talking about a dirt driveway. With the Humvee you better hope it's a very wide trail as well.
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
1/01/2002
17:50:22
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flips easier though
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adawg
Dodge Dakota
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2/25/2003
20:12:16
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HMM R/T faster?? id like to see that, but its 2wd. Whats the point of getting a SUV if your going to get stuck off-road? 5.9ltd jeep, is the fastest AMERICAN MADE suv "true suv" to date, and in my opinion the best american car built to date. can't wait till i get mine.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
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2/25/2003
20:20:22
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Hey, nothing like reliving a year old post! I still like the 5.9 limited but would have to disagree with adawg, the Mercedes-benz ML55 AMG is faster, built in the US by the same company that builds Jeeps. I'm still willing to run my stock R/T against anyones stock 5.9 limited, and there are quite a few in my area. Of course my R/T will only be in my hands for a few more days now as the new Hemi should be here shortly.
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LI Blackdakk
Dodge Dakota
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2/25/2003
20:37:20
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the 5.9 had mad problems and the overland is just as fast..if not faster(i think 0-60 for 5.9 is 7.0 and the overland is 6.9).
Only one performance SUV to get...Infiniti FX45. others cost way too much
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
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2/25/2003
23:01:37
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Overland is not faster, not according to the Jeep gurus over at www.jeepsunlimited.com They still have not gotten times like the old stock 5.9's did. Lots of the Overlands have tried. The only Overland that might have a chance to better the 5.9 at the drag stip is a 2wd version (or better yet a 2wd Limitied with the HO option). I've never seen or heard of one running, but in theory they exist.
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dave thomas
Dodge Dakota
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2/26/2003
00:04:39
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it all depends on the options that you have on your dak. for example i have an 02 dakqc and have a 4.7L. there are also different tranies and rearends that you can get. the standard is the 4 speed auto but i have a multi speed and it is great. i also had my rear end upgraded from the factory to a 3.92 posi. the dakqc also has a lower curb weight 3100lbs. i have only made minor mods such as intake exhaust and an msd ignition and i am running a 6.6 0-60. the drag from an uncovered bed also makes a difference from the drag if you either lower your tail gate or get a tonneau cover u will notice a difference.
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