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jjj
Dodge Dakota
12/11/2001
17:52:59
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Ever wonder about how to not run up the miles on the old odometer but still have certain functions like cruise???
Jeff
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litlpunisher
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12/11/2001
17:54:58
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Drive someone elses car.
98 Dakota
Bottle fed 340ci
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Mike
Dodge Dakota
12/11/2001
19:04:25
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I have a 2000 4.7 auto
I am leasing my truck, and the only way I have found to keep the miles off the ODO is to remove the fuse for the dash. You do lose all your gages, but everything still works. I am not sure if the computer is really fooled, but the ODO does not go up when you do this. I have the overhead console, so I still have some functions like how much gas is left and such. Hope this helps. The fuse is in the side of the dash, and is marked 'cluster' or something like that.
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jASON
Dodge Dakota
12/11/2001
23:20:43
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You guys are bad, bad people. I hope you morons get stuck in an over priced 200k hyundai that only shows 15k on the odometer.
This is not only bad to do, but to even think of doing. Please keep these thoughts to yourself. I feel sorry for the poor soul who slaves all day but can only afford a used truck and ends up with your trash.
This kind of stuff will catch up to you eventually. You have to remember that God evens everything out in the end.
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Spyder343
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
04:02:12
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Definitely bad karma. Drive someone else's car...HAHAHAHAHAHA! Great one!
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jjj
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
08:52:21
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I have found driving the company Voyager works also just not quite as sporty : )
Anyone who gets my old cars makes out - 15 yr. Chrysler tech.
Poor jASON must have gotten shafted once to be soooo upset, just said thinking not doing. If any thing illegal upsets you so much don't READ the thread. Must be one of the 5 people nationwide that doesn't cheat on his taxes.
Jeff
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MikeD
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
13:33:06
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If you plan on changing oil every 3000 miles how do U know when? Do you just guess? If you think about it the Odometer in my 2001 R/T is computerized...isn't there some way to reprogram it?
~Mike~
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conig
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
13:50:29
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i thought millaege was tracked in more than one place? drivtrain computer, pcm and odometer
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alex
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
14:22:58
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Two thoughts:
1. The computer keeps up with lots more things than the dash board shows you. It is keeping up with the mileage.
B. Even if you racked up, say 90,000 miles and then plugged in the odometer (doing that is illegal on a federal felony level), then your truck would LOOK like a 90,000 mile beater with only 1,000 miles on the clock. Who in the hell wants to buy a truck that has saggy seats, bad brakes and worn out carpet after only 1,000 miles?
3. Like I said, it's a felony fraud and the Feds will take your ass down. Not just the county sheriff. So good luck with that fuse trick, there, Scooter Boy.
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
14:52:24
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Note: messing with the odometer is a great way to null out all warrentees Dodge offers.
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Brian024.7
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
16:13:01
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if you put larger tires on your truck, the indicated milage will be less than the actuall milage
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Brian024.7
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
16:13:37
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note: that is larger as in TALLER, not wider
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Quick Racing
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
17:11:38
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The computer stores more information than you think.. A buddy of mine just traded his 2000 in and they scaned his computer found the milage and could even tell you how many miles were highway and in town (roughly), by pulling up your average speed, which is all so saved.
His average speed was only 38mph!!!
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LI Blackdak
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
17:33:42
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you guys are cheap @$$ scum bags
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Brian024.7
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
17:34:08
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38 is actually pretty high if you think about it
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jamie
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
18:38:09
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boy this is sure getting exciting, especially since the origonal post seems to be just somebody wondering about it. Nobody actually would do this, since it seems it is impossible anyways.
Just my 2 cents.....
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jjj
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
19:04:56
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Yeah this is getting fun. Actually the mileage is in the dash ( yes reprogrammable but not sure what it takes) and the pcm also programmable with the DRBIII (at least the one the dealer can read). Heck if the car you buy was once owned in another state chances are the odometer rolled back once it crossed state lines. And it is only a felony if you sign a statement that it is the actual mileage on the vehicle.
On another note EVERYONE on here who modifies their vehicle violates federal laws. Tampering with ANY pollution control system is a violation of federal law. WATCH OUT BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING.
Jeff
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
19:22:21
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Last I checked uncle sam can not proscute you for failure to replace a fuse. I think it is only a crime if you tamper with the cluster itself or the ecm/pcm with the expressed intent to remove miles already reading on the cluster or stored in the ecm/pcm memory. If you know that more miles where on the odometer then are currently reading......
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KenDawg
Dodge Dakota
12/13/2001
00:21:53
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Sandman this is true, but it seems kind of ironic for someone to let their cluster be inop for that long of a period. Plus no matter what the PCM does store the amount of mileage. Then you might slip up and bring your car in for service. They have a previous record of your mileage say 15k and it only says 15k and 1 mile then your busted.
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Brian024.7
Dodge Dakota
12/13/2001
13:25:51
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taking out the fuse for the cluster wont do anything, it just wont display your milage, its still keeping track of it though.
Better go back to the drawing board
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Python97
Dodge Dakota
12/13/2001
16:12:07
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How about you put your truck on a flat bed and have them drive you every where?? That would help keep the miles down. I dont know why people want to put less miles on their cars?? They are for driving. Id rather say I put over 100,000 miles on my truck then say, yea I barely drive I only have 10 miles in 3 years.
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Python97
Dodge Dakota
12/13/2001
16:35:02
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Reasons:
lower insurance rates (less miles/yr==lower rates)
reduce penalty at the end of a lease
both are considered fraud.
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jamie
Dodge Dakota
12/13/2001
17:06:24
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Ya those sound like good reasons.
This sure is an interesing forum, looks like it has sparked alot of interest out there! I wonder why it really matters tho, especially to us who plan on keeping our Daks till they (or we) fall apart from old age.......
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
12/13/2001
17:41:42
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Oops, sorry about that Python97, the "reasons" post was my reply.
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MikeD
Dodge Dakota
12/13/2001
18:55:28
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About what that one dude said about the saggy seats...if you take care of your car or truck it won't look like an old clunker...my dad had an 87 GT stang and it looked like he had just got off the dealership, cuz he took care of it. And if your about to sell it you can easily fool someone, just keep the oil changed, replace the brakes B 4 you sell it, wash it clean it up, its not that hard. OH and I think the main reason people wanna roll back the OD is because less miles means more money for the vehicle. If I was looking for a used car and I see a 1999 Dakota w/ 25,000 miles on it and I see a 1999 Dakota w/ 65,000 miles more than likely I'd choose the one w/ less miles. Thats why people wanna do that.
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Aaro
Dodge Dakota
12/13/2001
21:21:52
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JJJ ,
You stated "everyone on here who modifies their vehicle violates federal laws".
This is not true , if it were my local Dodge dealer would be talking to the FBI about all the Mopar Performance parts they install,and alot of aftermarket companies would be out of customers in a hurry .Replacing a part is legal and does not have to be oem. some parts can not be modified or replaced without being approved for use in your area or after the wananty runs out or they are damaged. Simply put you can't remove the stuff on the inside of your cat but you can remove some of the extra metal on the inside of your TB or intake.I have several mods on my truck and they are CARB legal and I have checked the local laws.Besides that I get much better fuel mileage (+5mpg from stock) and the stuff comming out of the tail pipe is cleaner now than when it was stock .
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Bruce P
Dodge Dakota
12/13/2001
21:33:06
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Aaro
Ahhh... but you forget that the MOPAR parts have passed stringent EPA testing and that is why Dodge can sell them.
Some of the other (non MOPAR) aftermarket performance parts are NOT EPA certified... They often make more power... while sacrificing the envrionment.
Besides who gives a %@#@# about CARB... that is only for California... ;-)
You are correct that many mods (ie... porting the TB with dremel) are a win-win. Better performance AND no measureable effect on emmissions.
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Quik 95
Dodge Dakota
12/14/2001
10:39:17
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Okay, I will speak from first hand experience. I was leasing a 2000 Jeep Cherokee Classic, and it had some kind of electrical problem that kept blowing the instrument cluster fuse.
The first time it happened I went a week before I could get it into the dealer, and I was driving without any gauges working.
They "fixed" the problem, and the odometer DIDN'T show any of the miles that I drove.
Two months later the problem came back, this time I went almost three weeks before I could get to the dealer. Again after they fixed the problem none of the miles accumulated on the odometer.
I turned in the lease a little over a month ago and had the inspection done on the vechicle. I got my security deposit back, and they didn't mention anything about the miles. I probably racked up an extra 1000 or so miles more than the odometer read.
Now I'm not saying go take out your fuse and drive across the country, but I am just sharing the experience that I had.
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
12/14/2001
12:44:42
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It's likely that 1000 miles off of say, 20,000 miles wouldn't set off any flags. 10,000 miles off of 20,000 probably would.
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jim
Dodge Dakota
12/14/2001
13:16:45
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i lowered my truck and have dual exhuast. the pipe burned right thought the odometer sensor so it doesnt work and no miles racked up. i need to get it fixed. hope it doesnt cuase any trouble
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teamfast
Dodge Dakota
12/17/2001
23:41:01
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Can anyone give me an update on this post? Does
pulling a fuse work ? if so which one? 2001s
please. Also where is this odometer sensor under
neath the truck. I still dont have the shop
manual. Thanks g
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TomS
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
11:35:51
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Yes, what is the conclusion here? Does the fuse trick work? Does it work to unhook the ODO sensor under the truck? Is there any conclusion?
(Other than the fact that it is not ethicly correct)
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teamfast
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
23:11:09
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Ok my buddy did the fuse trick in his neon. It
seems to be working. is there any other way to
check the actual mileage. Id rather not be
responsible for my frinds demise. Thanks
boys...
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FastRT6dakota
Dodge Dakota
12/18/2001
23:37:47
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Has anyone looked at a Mopar Performance catalog lately? Do you notice than when you buy a Mopar PCM, that you have to have the dealer program it for your VIN and mileage? Slightly illegal, but if you can get them to burn the PCM with about 10,000 miles less than what you really have, it may work. By the way, the guy who said "who gives a *&%$@ about CARB, its just california." Hello dumbass, what state has the toughest emisions laws??? If you pass California emissions, you'll pass in any state. Any some aftermarket parts will make your emissions improve. Anything that makes your engine more efficient, usually improves emissions. And to quote the great one..."Thats my $.02" (how many times can YOU say "emissions" in your next post)
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Bruce P.
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
22:00:17
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(FastRT6dakota) Calling people names is not called for. Head for the FORD forums if you want to do that. We like to think that fellow Dakota owners are above that childish stuff.
I MEANT is as a JOKE that since "CARB" is California emmissions... most folks do not care about meeting that strict a requirement.
The emoicon should have told you that it was a joke my friend. --> ;-) <-- winking face
For your information... many states DO NOT HAVE emmissions tests. If the lights and horn work.. you get a sticker. Emmissions are not a concern whatsever.
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FastRT6dakota
Dodge Dakota
12/22/2001
11:32:02
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I'm sorry my friend. I didn't even see the emoticon. now who feels stupid.... Maybe I'll put away my dak and go play with some Tonka trucks. Hope I can be forgiven. "And on a few days before Christmas they say, FastDakota's heart grew three sizes that day...."
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