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00dak
Dodge Dakota
11/01/2001
21:45:00
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ok one simple question. is their any chip you can buy for a dak that removes the speed limiter and increases power. And not have to send in your pcm.
thanx in advance
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/02/2001
11:23:36
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The jet chip is supposed to remove the speed limiter and increase horespower.
Mopar also makes one for pre-2001 models.
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Art
Dodge Dakota
11/02/2001
12:07:11
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The jet does not remove any speed or rpm limits or alter shift points
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/02/2001
12:55:49
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Tell me about, I just installed one and it hasn't done a thing for my truck. Some people say it takes time, but I'm still waiting. It also has not changed my shift points or acceleration.
As for now, I don't believe in the jet chip.
BTW- I have not tested the speed limiter yet.
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00dak
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
01:03:37
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R/Truck if you start to notice any changes post it back here, and especially when you get a chance to test out the limiter.
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smittyt2
Dodge Dakota
11/04/2001
08:29:12
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I can tell you it doesn't remove the speed limiter. Mine still shuts down right at 100. This is with the stage II.
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kevster
Dodge Dakota
11/05/2001
21:26:46
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The JET chip or module does not eliminate the speed limiter, IF you want to go that route go with the MOPAR H.P Engine controller. Or do a reflash for the same costs, MOPAR H.P is 327.00 from www.MANCINIRACING.COM The dealer is 460.00 for the same one. The MOPAR is the TICKET, CAN YOU SAY "MOVE OUT!!!!!!
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PAt
Dodge Dakota
1/07/2002
20:21:02
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I have a stage 2 jet chip with exuast. intake etc. my engine shuts off at 118 so it does improve the speed limiter but it still shuts off
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Shawn Casey
Dodge Dakota
1/07/2002
22:27:49
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The only company to sell a chip that will totaly remove your speed limiter is ASE performance chips. I am currently talking with the fellows a Ken Bell about their Optimiser but still waiting on a reply.
Casey
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Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2002
02:36:41
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screw the jet chip, mine has 5000 miles on
it(stage 2), still stuck at 100mph, no power
improvement, and no difference in throttle
response...why and how can Jet make the
performance claims they do? My advice, dont
waste your money like I did...wait till mopar
comes out with a pcm for the 01's
D
01/4.7/CC3.55auto/airaid/ultraflow/TBspacer/
JetStage2 :( /DJMdrop 3/6/pegleg :(
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2002
08:57:54
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Talked to a guy at mopar. They are not going to build a performance PCM for the 4.7L's...PERIOD. I know there are a couple of websites that have it listed. Most of those are typos. If some does have a performance PCM that they bought please let us all know. Otherwise you will have to send it away to have it reprogrammed.
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Pat
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2002
11:32:01
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ok why does my engine shut off between 115 and 120
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2002
11:35:13
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Jet will only help to lighten your wallet!!!! They are a waste of money. I have see how poorly they work or do not work on imports and GM vechiles. I would not let Jet program my toaster!!!
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D
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2002
14:35:16
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how come mopar lists pcms for the 4.7 (prior
to the 01's) I'm sure they are gonna make one
for the 01 soon...
www.mopar.com/m_perf_parts_product_part.j
sp?categoryID=10017&itemID=555
CThomp: Mopar definately makes
performance comps for the 4.7's, It's only a
matter of time before they are available for the
01's. Check out the website above, I doubt it
is a typo.
D
01/4.7/CC3.55/dynomax/airaid/TBspacer
JetStage2(waste of cash)/DJMdrop3-6/pegleg
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2002
10:00:31
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D...the listing on that website is bogus. I called Mopar personally and talked to one of the techs. They never made a performance computer for the 4.7L and never will even though the website says they did. They couldn't get the performance computer to pass emmisions or something to that effect. If they did make one for the 4.7's you'd see a whole hell of alot of people on this website with them. Myself included.
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2002
15:58:57
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heres some info on the kenne bell reflash
I have heard rumors that kennebell is going to offer a performance pcm for the Dakota/Durango 4.7l V8. is this true?
What parameters are modified and how much hp/tq could be expected. Also main concerns are downtime(how long my pcm will be away and my truck immobile) and price?
All info is greatly appreciated
YES, WE DO OFFER AN OPTIMIZER II FOR THE DAKOTA/DURANGO 4.7(10 REAR WHEEL HORSEPOWER
AND 11 FOOT POUND OF REAR WHEEL TORQUE)& HAS A 30 DAY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE.TYPICALLY
WE CAN TURN THE COMPUTER AROUND IN ABOUT 24 TO 48 HOURS ( WE SHIP BACK FED-EX NEXT DAY AIR )
PRICE IS $349.00 ( INCLUDES SHIPPING )................THANKS FOR YOUR INQUIRY!
and for those still holding out on a hypertech programmer III
I have had some experience with your power programmer 3 on a Chevy impala and I was very impressed
I currently drive a 4.7liter dodge Dakota and want one of your programmers for my truck. I am also not alone on this many Dakota enthusiast are interested in your programmer for there trucks. Is hypertech going to release any products for this engine? Can some sort of group buy be set up? Will you produce the programmer if I get a list of people who are seriously interested in buying one, names/deposit.
Matt
Thanks for the email and your interest in Hypertech. A decision to produce a product for particular vehicles depend on the amount of request and number of vehicles produced. We will eventually have a programmer for this application but not soon. We only sell at retail here and to get a discount you will need to check with our dealers like Summitt, Jeg's, Autozone etc. Thanks
so if you want a power programmer let hypertech know or they simply won't care
hope this helps. also if anyone receives info on the kenne bell removing the speed limiter please let me know
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2002
15:59:53
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heres some info on the kenne bell reflash
I have heard rumors that kennebell is going to offer a performance pcm for the Dakota/Durango 4.7l V8. is this true?
What parameters are modified and how much hp/tq could be expected. Also main concerns are downtime(how long my pcm will be away and my truck immobile) and price?
All info is greatly appreciated
YES, WE DO OFFER AN OPTIMIZER II FOR THE DAKOTA/DURANGO 4.7(10 REAR WHEEL HORSEPOWER
AND 11 FOOT POUND OF REAR WHEEL TORQUE)& HAS A 30 DAY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE.TYPICALLY
WE CAN TURN THE COMPUTER AROUND IN ABOUT 24 TO 48 HOURS ( WE SHIP BACK FED-EX NEXT DAY AIR )
PRICE IS $349.00 ( INCLUDES SHIPPING )................THANKS FOR YOUR INQUIRY!
and for those still holding out on a hypertech programmer III
I have had some experience with your power programmer 3 on a Chevy impala and I was very impressed
I currently drive a 4.7liter dodge Dakota and want one of your programmers for my truck. I am also not alone on this many Dakota enthusiast are interested in your programmer for there trucks. Is hypertech going to release any products for this engine? Can some sort of group buy be set up? Will you produce the programmer if I get a list of people who are seriously interested in buying one, names/deposit.
Matt
Thanks for the email and your interest in Hypertech. A decision to produce a product for particular vehicles depend on the amount of request and number of vehicles produced. We will eventually have a programmer for this application but not soon. We only sell at retail here and to get a discount you will need to check with our dealers like Summitt, Jeg's, Autozone etc. Thanks
so if you want a power programmer let hypertech know or they simply won't care
hope this helps. also if anyone receives info on the kenne bell removing the speed limiter please let me know
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2002
17:49:23
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I just got off the phone with one of the techs at ASE and he said they do have chips for the 4.7L. They are $349.00. He sadi they remove the speed limiter and play with the ignition timing or something like that (either he was a low talker or i'm deaf...didn't feel like repeating the question). He said the chips make 15hp and 8%tq which is just over 23. I asked for Dyno sheets and he said he would scan them and e-mail them to me. I'm not holding my breath on that one.
Also talked to Hypertech...no luck in that department.
So would the hyperspeed be a better investment that the ASE? Hyperspeed says 10-15% more h.p. Doesn't remove the speed limiter though (I don't think it does) and you don't have to use premium fuel with it. It also supposedly raises m.p.g like the ASE does.
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2002
18:09:41
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I just went ahead and called Hyperspeed as well. Another low talker but oh well. He said to expect between a 8-10% h.p. gain(18.8-23.5) and 12-15%tq (29.5-44.25). The speed limiter is NOT removed and you do NOT have to use premium fuel. These computers sell for $399.00 on the hyperspeed site and will probably sell for quite a bit less once Bernd starts offering them on his site. He has the page set up but no prices yet. Heard he was still working on the deal with them. Either way I doubt I will ever be going over 117mph...way to much traffic in FL. for that and You don't have to use premium fuel. Best deal yet I think.
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2002
18:24:02
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could I get some more info on ase and hyperspeed links etc. I plan on buying which ever is most powerful and under $400
from personal experience I am sceptical of companies that say 8% ot 10% I like how ase and kenne bell both give a hp figure and have dyno info available to back it up.
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2002
22:08:13
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I agree conig. I'm the same way. ASE claims they have Dyno info but i'm gonna have to wait to see those sheets. If they come. Bernd is pushing the Hyperspeed which makes it seem promising. I'm pretty sure he has one wired into his Dak. He's said he likes the results so far. Now if only a company would come up with a programmer strictly for removing the rev and speed limiters. Dream on right?
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Dodge Dakota
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1/08/2002
23:40:55
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how can mopar list a part number for the
performance cpu when it doesnt exist. How
many people have gotten lucky and had a
dealership reflash their computer...I think I am
more confused about the possibility of this
modification happening than I was in the first
place.
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2002
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Getting the PCM reprogrammed is what needs to be done. I think KRC might do it and I know Mike Leach does it. Both of these require you to send your PCM away for a week or so for the reprogramming. Having you PCM flashed is the process of having you vehicles milage as well as vin number put on to the PCM once it is reprogrammed. If this isn't done then the check engine lights come on. I pretty sure thats how it goes though. Mopar and the other sites that say they have PCM for the 4.7L are basically just lazy for not taking them off the websites. I told the tech at mopar about it and he just kinda shrugged it off.
It's not really that confusing. You just have to be paranoid about the numbers and decide which you want to go with. For the 4.7L crowd our options seems to have come down to a Hyperspeed, ASE chip, Jet Chips(which we all agree suck), KRC Reprogramming, Mike Leach Reprogramming, or Kenne Bell Reprogramming. The IAT is already available through KRC or Speedtweaks and we all know they work.
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2002
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CThomp.
if you ever get dyno numbers back from ase please forward them to me! is the ase a flash or an eprom style chip? the only reason my computer hasn't been sent away to be flashed is because this is my only vehicle.
matt
p.s. if someone could provide websites or phone# for these companys it would be greatly appreciated.( my search engine has found nada)
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2002
13:19:37
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http://www.hyperspeed.com/Products.htm
found one of them. so is this just a fuel computer?
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2002
13:45:33
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did anyone else notice that,for asechips, all the dynos look almost identical for each other
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2002
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conig: the asechip is an eprom I believe. same style as hypertech or jet. I think. If they'd actually show a picture of one of the units it would help. ASE chip # is 714-632-9344. I don't remember hyperspeeds. They are in CA as well. Hyperspeed is kinda the same concept as the rest. Beware the techs are low talkers. Try Google as a search engine. Works for me.
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2002
16:47:08
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I don't know what it is called but ther is a pic under the news-then pt cruiser chip. it looks like a small chip that installs on the motherboard(I think thats what its called) unlike a jet/superchip/hypertech that installs in a diagnostic port/or inbetween the harness.
thats how most chips are on mercedes/audi/bmw cars
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kevster
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2002
18:47:51
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KRC PERFORMANCE sells the Mopar PCM for the 4.7 motor.. check out there web page.. Also my dealer shows it in his book for the 4.7 also. someone is on Drugs here.
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2002
20:38:56
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MOPAR DOES NOT OFFER A PCM. CALL MOPAR AND TRY TO GET ONE! YOU CAN'T!
just because it's in the catalogue doesn't mean they make it. and since ase quoted me at 8%torque and horsepower I'm probablie going to stay clear of them.
If some one has info on mike leaches pcm(same as krc) I have a fealing it will produce a tad more HP Duner says mike leaches program is almost Identical to the program he has
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2002
21:00:55
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heres a link to some info on good 4.7l mods.
http://www.moparchat.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42928&highlight=duner
if you notice duner gained 10hp+- from his pcm the same thing kennebell gaurantees
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