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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
11/27/2001
21:07:28
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This is getting stupid. Nobody is claiming a pure stock R/T will beat the current L. But to flat out say the R/T is nothing compared to it is just wrong. All this talk about the internals and transmission not being able to handle 12's and 13's is more crap, for that huge price difference they sure could! The L is almost twice the price of a stripped RC R/T, and pushing 3 times as much as a stripped RC 4.7/5-speed! There is nothing 'magic' about an L, it's just a F-150 with some parts. The problem is Ford is such a pansy company they only do it to their big truck, if they did that same setup in a Ranger call me, I'll be impressed. BTW 360, naturally aspirated Super Stock Dakotas run in the 9's (1/4 not 1/8th mile), what do the NA Super Stock F-150's run?
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/27/2001
21:30:46
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go to the "L" site, there is a guy from hawi (he has posted here, but he talks the the "L" guys more) with a 99? dakota R/T with a kenny bell sc, and a bunch of other bolt ons. he runns a 13.75. he's "hoping to beat a "L" someday"
there are S10's running in the 7's also. why did you even mencion the prostocks?
Eric
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
11/27/2001
21:32:34
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The 4.7 Sport costs almost the same as an R/T Hersbird. The 4.7 engine is Dodges most exspensive to produce. These people that say the 4.7's are for people that can't afford R/T's are blowing smoke.
I did get a few more goodies than a local R/T but they are auto and selling for $24,000 CAN. I paid $23,300 CAN for my 4.7 5 speed so cost wasn't a factor. Fuel economy and 5 speed were the main factors.
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MikeD
Dodge Dakota
11/27/2001
23:18:50
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I got my R/T for the simple fact that the 4.7 I test drove (the same day I test drove an R/T) seemed really sluggish when you floor it. Just didn't seem like it had what it took to seem tough. The R/T by far is made for high performance but the Lightning was definatley made for speed...but w/o the supercharger makes a good yard ornament.
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
00:44:57
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The only 4.7 I test drove was a auto CC with 355 gears. Compared to the R/T I test drove very very slugish.
However the 4.7 I ordered with 3.92's and 5 speed feels at par with the R/T. I think the R/T has more bottom line umph but once going they seem to fall flat quicker. It's sound like from what I have heard that the R/T will take the 1/8th but in the 1/4 the 4.7's 5 speeds catch up and start to pass because they breath so well at high RPM's.
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DOUG
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
02:13:32
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4.7 with minor mods can hang with the R/T...Its much lighter cause of the aluminum heads, and will probably last longer because of the newer technology, how long has it been since that old 360 has been updated?? I ran with an R/T, and despite my lack of traction, there was'nt much in it. I paid 21,200 for my '01 CC/4.7 sport, the
R/T was close to 25,000 throw a charger and posi on my 4.7, and your lookin at a much better buy at similar cost.
sorry, I should have posted this in the 5.9 vs. 4.7 discussion!
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
04:47:41
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kota on 20's, WHat is your problem with the R/T's?? I have seen more than one post from you talking bad about them. The guy from Hawaii(Surfa) with the Kenny Bell is running 13's in 80 degree weather wiht almost 100% humidity. If he coudl get some good cool dry air, he'd be in the 12's easy. He posts on our R/T Delphi forum quite a bit. There is another guy in Hawaii with a Paxton on his R/T who is running low 13's with very few other mods. Don't even think ha has a ported TB yet. And Surfa coudl beat a Lighting if he woudl ever see one and line up with one in Hawaii.
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NeedForSpeed
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
10:01:35
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Ok this is what I don't get...everytime someone talke about an R/T...someone comes along saying well if I modify a 4.7 it'll run w/ an R/T and I'll put all sorts of mods on it to make it run as good as an R/T. Why don't U just get an R/T, then U can modify an R/T and be even better. I see all these posts about getting R/T suspension on 4.7's or getting sway bars for their 4.7's. The R/T's come w/ all that. If you mod out both models w/ the same mods the R/T is always gonna be that much better than the 4.7 cuz the R/T already is when they are both stock. If someone puts on a bigger TB on their 4.7 and I put on a 52mm on mine its gonna be that much better than the 4.7 The R/T is made to be a better handling truck than the 4.7 cuz the 4.7 is made for an everyday guy the 5.9 is made for performance. But I guess this fight is going to go on until the Sidewinder comes out and shuts everyone up haha.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/28/2001
12:13:20
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HSKR, i love mopar's, hate chevies and dont like fords. i just wish dodge would do something to make the R/T faster. like what ford did to the F150 to make the lightning. all the R/T is, is a truck with a truck engine in it. The dealer should make all of the performance parts a package (along with a SC).
Eric
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
12:34:54
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I think if they would have just offered a 5-speed in the R/T there would probably be a lot less conversation about it.
For me the choice of a 4.7 was for these initial reasons:
Towing
5-speed
Quickness
Fuel mileage
Smoothness
I didn't mind the fact that mods weren't readily available
After I got the 4.7 - I realized how much I missed the rumble, looks, handling and notariety that the R/T had. It was fairly easy to add those things to the 4.7 to get close to the R/T "feel". So now after adding the R/T parts I have pretty much the best of both worlds..... other than the "rumble" part.
I still get to tow, I still get to play with the 5-speed, It's still quick, I still get good mileage, it's smoother than ever and I don't need many more mods.
Oh, and I get to spank Lightnings now too! hehehe
Just consider me a happy camper!
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DakGuy
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
13:39:47
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Well...... nevermind I'm tired of this R/T Vs.4.7L debate. I'll just answer that question 1 R/T at a time. You win some you loose some!!!!!
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NeedForSpeed
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
14:09:51
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I agree w/ Kota On 20's I think if the R/T group is gonna go as far as lowering the truck and putting badass tires on it and all the heavy duty sh!t they should make it fast. I mean a 5.9 w/ only 245HP is kinda weak. The Firebirds have a 350 have over 300 HP U'd think they'd get more power out of an engine that big. If your gonna get a truck tweeked to handle higher speeds at least equip it w/ a kickass engine. I sure hope the Sidewinder hits the production line w/ the 640HP V-10 engine so we can watch all the Lightnings and Vettes in our rearview mirrors. Now that thing is worth $40,000 not that junk heap they call a Lightning.
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
14:31:10
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I like the R/T's just the way they are. Think of them as a basic building block for a bad ass truck. You get to pick and choose the go fast goodies of your desire. With the Lighting, you are limited to the mods you can do since most are already done for you from the factory. The whole point to owning a "hotrod" is building it yourself, and the R/T fits this image. I wouldn't want Dodge deciding what SC they think woudl work best on a factory Dakota. I'd rather have the option to choose the SC I want. Maybe some people don't want a SC, so tey get NOS. The R/T is a blank screen waiting for mods. The Lightning is pretty much modded for you. Leave it to Ford to take away biggest part of owning a "hotrod" doin the mods yourself. It woudl be hard to find two R/T's that are the same now. Everyone has a different idea of what they want out of thier truck, and that is good.
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jesse
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
16:47:56
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bottom line is...he who has the thickest wallet will own the fastest truck...hey if i had 35k laying around i woulda probably bought the lightning too...NOTE:if you want to go fast cheap, buy a bike...i own an 00' Yamaha R1, will run mid 10s all day for little over 10K...get that out of four wheels..LOL..
Mopar RULZ
00' Dak R/T
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LITL PUNISHER
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
17:00:42
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30 g's+ for a lightnig and thats all you get. I put a coupleg's in my 98 5.2 and i run in the 12's. That leaves me with 10 g's to play with. What's the better deal and truck.MOPAR need i say more
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/28/2001
23:23:22
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punisher, what mods do you have on your 5.2?
think about this, a person who has the money to buy an lightning and is willing to race it, more than likely is willing to shell out $900 to make it run 12's. so instead of tring to beat a STOCK lightning, try to beat a modded out lightning. jesse is right, the one with the most cash wins.
HSKR, i see your point about using the 360 as blank slate, but wouldnt it be nice if DC allowed us to install MOPAR performance parts (M1, headers, PCM, ect) as options and let us finance them with our trucks? thats what SLP engenering did with the firehawk for GM.
Eric
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/29/2001
04:16:07
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You can buy the Mopar performance parts and finance them with your truck, but they will be dealer installed. Most people just don't think of doin that. I had my Mopar tonnaue, bug deflectors, and running boards financed with my truck.
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