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Kraw
Dodge Dakota
10/07/2001
18:35:35
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*yawn*
note to self: find that link to track times of Red Gen II L running 12's and 13's
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SuperDak
Dodge Dakota
10/07/2001
19:08:42
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no seriously, someone told me that the 03 r/t's will be supercharged 5.7L of lightning killing power!!
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Gloria
Dodge Dakota
10/08/2001
20:13:47
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No, your 5.9 R/T will not beat a G2 Lightning. Not unless the Lightning driver is the worst driver known to man, or isn't racing.
The 01 L's have a different compound tire, and hook real good. If some of you spent as much time doing research as spouting off your mouths, you would know that not much beats an L off the line. If you want to see real life times, feel free to go to: http://www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?s=09411fceb1e2a7ca5d176fd72510f44c&threadid=52792
There are some real times from a stock '01 in the 1/8th. So far the fastest ones are in the high 11's with bolt-ons (chip, filter, pulleys). While, so far, the 11's are rare, low 12's are not uncommon at all.
If you have a 5.9 R/T, and want to race an L, I would suggest sticking with the 93-95 models. Those run low 15's stock. Mine did.
Remember, looks are subjective, as are your opinions of a manufacturer, but you can't argue with raw hp and torque.
Gloria
93 EB Explorer, 1000 RTI
94 F150 Lightning, 116,000 miles
01 F150 Lightning, FAST !!!!!!
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kraw
Dodge Dakota
10/09/2001
12:41:06
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as promised:
11 sec L
http://www.thefbodyshop.com/multimedia/movies/fbody_videos/lightning_11s.mpeg
here are some more
http://www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50019&highlight=movies
thank you, drive through
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DakGuy
Dodge Dakota
10/09/2001
13:54:57
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Almost any vehicle can be made to go 11 seconds in the quarter, but there has never been a STOCK lightning that ran in the 11s. So if you are trying to make a point; I'm not sure what it is because that lightning is far from stock. I have clips of a Luv truck running 10.7 but that doesn't mean they all do.
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kraw
Dodge Dakota
10/09/2001
17:56:22
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and......
ok, will find some stock videos.
thing about L's are, they can get into the 12's and 11's with less than $1000 worth of mods. Not including NOS
not trying to piss anyone one off
and then, "well, L's cost 32k-40k dollars!!!" yeah, and you can find good used ones for 25k, about the price of a new CC R/T
oh well, this argument will go on forever on this board, just like the 4.7 vs 5.9 pissing contest.
dam, we need moderators BAD
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
10/09/2001
18:13:53
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Who let in all the lightning bugs?
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
10/09/2001
22:48:04
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kraw, why compare new price to used? Bottom line a L may be fast with $2000 in mods but it's price difference is more like $10000 stock, new or used so how fast is a R/T with $12,000 in mods? $12,000 well spen on a R/T is going to beat $2000 well spent on a L. The Ford just can't make up for those extra 600+ pounds it has to carry. It also can't get the 400+ ci's the Dakota can. Any motor can get a supercharger strapped on, you just need to start with a lighter, less expensive package to get bang for the buck.
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/10/2001
00:04:10
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yea you might get a 408 SC'd dak into the 12's or maby 11's but how good is that on the tranny? the lightnings come with a tranny built for a diesel! and with 1k spent in mods you still have a warrenty.
I would never knock a dak. I LOVE MINE! but i have seen SC'd R/T's still in the mid 13's
sure you can make any car go 12's. but how many can do it with 3 bolt on's? (pully, intake, and chip) do thoes to a "lighter" dak along with a SC and you are not in the 12's even with a bigger engine.
go to a lightning board...they are talking about smoking vetts, and cyclones, while we are talking about beating old 454's, silverado's. and saturns.
without a grip of cash dumped into a dak and reliability problems the lightning will continue to dominate. DEAL WITH IT i have.
Eric
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SuperDak
Dodge Dakota
10/10/2001
00:42:24
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why dont you guys just win the lotto and go buy a viper or a ferrari and just forget about lightinings. no fancy superchargers just RAW POWER stompin away on poor little lightings
NATURAL ASPIRATION!!
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/10/2001
00:45:06
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well if it were my choice i would have won the lotto time after time again. and i would screw the cars and get a helicopter ;-)
Eric
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Dakota 2 Time
Dodge Dakota
10/10/2001
03:38:36
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Sure the Lightning is a nice truck BUT it IS a FORD and from my experience Fords just don't hold up as well as Mopars.
I want a vehicle that I know will start when I turn the key.
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Hawkeye
*GenIII*
10/10/2001
08:33:15
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All I have ever owned is Ford trucks and this is my first Dakota. I did own 1 97 4x4 Ram for 9 months before trading it in as it was a rolling scrap heap. I just hope that my Dak can live up to the outstanding performance that all my past Fords have given me. I know some of you havent had good luck with them but I have never had 1 problem with them. They have all been 4x4's except for my Lightning and they were definitely used as 4x4's, not pampered at all, but I did take care of them at the same time. So far the Dak is doing great. Only time will tell. We'll see how its holding up 4 years from now.
'00 QC 4x4
4.7 3.55 LSD
33x12.50 Pro Comp X-T's
http://johnammons.tripod.com/home.html
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
10/10/2001
11:25:23
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I have owned a 83 Ford truck for 11 years and over 120,000 miles and I drive it when my Dakota is in the shop or to haul some big stuff. Don't knock Fords, they are good trucks. I think if you were to spring the $4500 for the supercharger and bolt it on your Dodge you would have a comprable truck. Everyone is always comparing apples to oranges. I have seen a lot of other trucks break down but it doesn't mean that the are not a better brand then mine. Sh*t happens.
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jat
Dodge Dakota
10/11/2001
02:21:12
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srew the 5.9
a 4.7 with a few mod's will run
circles around the 5.9!
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/11/2001
02:34:17
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well the 5.2 with few mods will run circles around the 4.7!! and the 3.9 with a lot of mods will do the same.
AND MY DAD CAN BEAT UP YOUR DAD!! i thought we were over this mine is better crap?!
Eric
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toast
Dodge Dakota
10/11/2001
21:40:12
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Run circles around my 5.9 hahaahaha. On another note those Ls are fast no dout about it and yes it will most likely show its tailights to my truck but if i had the money to afford an L i still would have bought my R/T. Reasons are that with the extra money i save buying the R/t i can whip the paints off of any L with mods i will do to it mostly a turbo will do the trick. Plus the Dakota seems to me a better built truck than the L and does not look as cheap, plus the dakota in my opion looks better. Finally i will never pay that much for an overpiced peace of Ford crap, Fords are cheap and are hard to work on and the L is deffinaly not worth the money than what Ford is asking for it. And if you L supports what to say something go right ahead but remeber this is a Dakota board not a Lighting board.
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/12/2001
02:25:18
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toast what grade are you in? stay off the web, and take an english class. you want to put a turbo on a R/T? i have heard it cost someone around 10k to have this done. not verry economical!
if you want to supercharge the dak, i have seen SC'd R/T's (along with other bolt-ons) still in the mid 13's. while 3 mods on a "L" will put it in the 12's
what mods do you have on your 5.9? i hope you drive better than you write.
i do think the daks look better
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toast
Dodge Dakota
10/12/2001
19:26:27
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Slipping on the keys a bit that night.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
10/12/2001
19:38:01
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Didn't the yellow "Big Bird" CC R/T just run an 11.5 this weekend? It's not really fair to compare the 3 mods on the L to 3 mods on the Dakota as the L has a bunch of factory mods. It's better to compare the price difference and apply that to mods.
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Kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/12/2001
19:41:56
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please forgive me toast,i'm a *ick head!i can't help being a d*ck head.
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surferpug
Dodge Dakota
10/12/2001
23:33:46
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why bother comparing the two trucks, they are even in the same class, it is like comparing a Mustang to a Viper, both are fast, but obviously the Viper is faster
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surferpug
Dodge Dakota
10/12/2001
23:34:22
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why bother comparing the two trucks, they are even in the same class, it is like comparing a Mustang to a Viper, both are fast, but obviously the Viper is faster
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/13/2001
02:33:23
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thats cute...why am i a *ick? cant you use your own name to talk $hit?
you guys are funny, even the R/T guys that visit the "L" board know that the "L" is #1.
how long do you think a dakota's trans will hold up with all the mods to make it in the 12's? matt has already went through a trans and rearend, and he is only running a 14.23!
Eric
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DakGuy
Dodge Dakota
10/13/2001
09:03:07
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You guys are so pesimistic..... Lightnings are fast, but they aren't all that. I raced an old one and I beet him so bad it wasn't even funny. I will find a new one at the track one night and tell all of you what happens. Win or loose it's still fun:)
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
10/13/2001
11:29:17
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dakguy, you are right win or lose its still fun! the old "L"'s are not that fast, but the new ones are. expecially the 01's. let us know what happens, and what mods you have.
Eric
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Kraw
Dodge Dakota
10/14/2001
22:12:16
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well, the L has more than a blower strapped onto a stock 5.4.. it has alot of internal parts too, plus an intercooler.
If they L isn't worth the money, why do people snatch them up? If they weren't worth the money, why did SVT (not Ford) produce close to 7k of them, after making only ~3k the first 2 years? Demand.
I love my Dak, I love R/T's and I realllly love the new 4.7's... but comone, the L is the complete package from the FACTORY (if you can afford it =] ... which I can't LOL)
oh well, makes for interesting reading =]
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Domenic
Dodge Dakota
11/25/2001
22:56:39
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I have a stock 2000 Dakota R/T it ran a 14.96 stock. My cousin has a stock 01 Lightning it ran 14.2s. My point stock R/Ts are not faster than Lightnings. But I paid 23,000 and my cousin paid 34,000, 7 tenths faster is not worth 11,000.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/25/2001
23:47:37
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you are probably one of the people that say a ferrari is just a car.
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Doug
Dodge Dakota
11/26/2001
00:46:39
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I agree with HERSBIRD, bottom line is dollar.
Lightning = $32,000 + (stock)
R/T= $32,000 (supercharged, nos, all the bolt ons, and 20's!!!) and will easily run with the lightning.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/26/2001
12:27:36
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yea but the "L" was built for boost. the R/Ts are not, so now you are dealing with stuff going out prematruly. if the dak is your only ride (like me) and you can afford to spend 32k on a vehicle, why not get a warranty. this would also benifit people like me, because i cant have a vehicle down for the install on all of this stuff.
also not everyone can do this them selfs, so labor at $40-60 HR that adds up.
Eric
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/26/2001
15:59:16
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The Lightnings aren't all that great. If anyone has spent even a little time at any Lightning forum you will see they suffer from a lot of problems. First it was leaky intercoolers, and now the recent problem is their engines blowing with minor mods, and the dealers not warrantying them because they have mods. I think the R/T's even with SC's are more reliable than the Lightnings. Sure they are prupose built for a SC, but they aren't built for the SC's running more boost than factory limits, and they seem to be having a lot of problems. When most peope put SC's on thier Daks, they do it safely with boost retard, and extra fuel. Unless you are detonating, I don't think it will cause much premature failure of anything with routine maintenance, and regular fluid changes.
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jesse
Dodge Dakota
11/26/2001
16:41:12
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wow...i just got done reading all of the lightning vs RT...ooftaa>>my bud owns 01' Lightning first day he got it it saw staging lights..damn thing will run consistant 13.4s all day...OUT OF THE BOX..they are fast...doesn't bother me a bit...i use to run buick GNs...they are fast with little or no mods...now i own a RT...i have a lot of work ahead of me....buts thats part of the fun...that little truck has a ton of potential...and let that lightning run its 13, 12, 11 passes...because all i can do is improve...i may never see 11s but i bet my bud i'll match his 13.4 buy next summer...and it can be done...so far my RT hosts a powerdyne 6#s, boost retard, 24# svo injectors, headers, and mopar pcm...plus odds and ends to keep motor from crapping out...all under 5k...worth the money...either that or buy my woman a engagement ring..LOL!!!lightning vs R/T...competition is awesome...but use it to make friends not foes...YADA,YADA,YADA
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bernd
*GenIII*
11/27/2001
00:34:58
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Kota: Marty has already built (and run) two normally asporated "408" Dakota's...and they're in the 11-second bracket. Add supercharger (or nitrous) and they're easily in the 10's. Anything is possible with the right amount of $$$.
My neighbor and good friend used to own a '98 R/T and now owns a '00 Lightning. He spent well over $1500 on the R/T and it ran mid to high 14's. He spent $800 on the "L" and it's in the high 12's.
There's no comparison though...Supercharged vs. Non-Supercharged (Lightning vs. R/T)..it's an unfair comparison.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.93 @ 93.26mph
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kota on 20s
GenIII
11/27/2001
01:23:18
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bernd, the 408 is useless in california, because there is no way in gods green earth it would pass smog.
just wondering how much does it cost for the 408? and is there any beefing up of the tranny? what is the total cost labor included?
Eric
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BlakDakMagnum
Dodge Dakota
11/27/2001
11:37:36
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All of you just quit your pissing and moaning. Facts are facts. Get past your brand loyalty for a moment and open your eyes! What are you gonna tell me now, your R/T beat an LS1 Camaro Z28? spare me. Price is not a factor, neither is supercharged or N/A. The factor is who is faster, sorry to break your fragile hearts but the lightning is. A friend just bought a 99' with 19K on the clock, ran it in the 1/8 and it was in the high 8's all night. I dunno where that guy got the 10 something seconds for the 1/8th mile but those are either terrible drivers, terrible traction, are you need to see an optometrist cause you couldn't tell a goat from a beautiful blonde. Crunch numbers all you like, get over the price issue, get over the supercharger. It doesn't change the fact that the lightning is faster. Facts are facts, I know from experience. I don't care if it's an 1/8 or a 1/4, but a newer lightning will walk your R/T.
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/27/2001
13:30:44
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Your kidding me? It can't be true!
I must sell my truck now....
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NeedForSpeed
Dodge Dakota
11/27/2001
13:57:40
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Take the supercharger off the Lightning and we'll see who walks on who.
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
11/27/2001
14:39:04
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Next year when I get my SC bolted on, I'll challenge any Lightning owner who thinks he is ths shiznit!! I will get over the Lightnings superhcarger by installing one of my own, and we'll see who's faster then!!
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NeedForSpeed
Dodge Dakota
11/27/2001
15:01:44
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Take a picture of him when your passing him and post it on here I'd like to see the look on his face.
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