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THEUFO1
Dodge Dakota
8/24/2001
15:04:43
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How much hosepower will i gain by putting a supercharger on it.
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Brian Gaarder
Dodge Dakota
8/24/2001
15:15:11
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I wouldnt put a SC on a 3.9 .... fo rthe same cost you could buy a 5.2 and have it swapped.... then sell your 3.9 and buy upgrades.....
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THEUFO1
Dodge Dakota
8/24/2001
20:41:47
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Your a fúcken moron. People dont jst sell their fúcken truck for a bigger engine one. My dak looks better than any 5.2. SO anser the dam question if your gonna post soemthing.
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CW
Dodge Dakota
8/24/2001
20:47:17
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I would ask Bernd at speedtweaks. He has a 3.9 supercharged and I think he is making around 300 at the crank if not more, but he really knows what he is doing.
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THEUFO1
Dodge Dakota
8/24/2001
20:50:20
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thanks for giving me a real answer unlike that dumbass above.
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Rock
Dodge Dakota
8/28/2001
22:34:28
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I would agree with CW about 300hp at the crank or somewhere pretty close, but rear wheel somewhere in the neighborhood of 235hp.
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98SPRTV6
Dodge Dakota
8/29/2001
10:56:03
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I was talking to a guy over email yesterday about his 98 dak 3.9L, he stroked it to a 5.4L and added two garrett turbo's to it. He said he put out about 600 horses at the flywheel and ran 10.9@137!!! I can forward you the specs if you want!!
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Brian Gaarder
Dodge Dakota
8/29/2001
14:15:08
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I DIDNT TELL YOU TO SEL YOU FUC*KEN TRUCK.. I SAID SELL THE ENGINE YOU A$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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cbsdakota
Gen III
8/29/2001
14:32:30
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You know what, the only reason the V8 guys discourage hopping up V6's is because they don't want the humiliation of having their a$$ whipped by a V6. Yes, all things being equal, V8's naturally would have more power. But V8 guys without the cash to do many mods are scarred to death of the poor guy who bought a V6, came into some money, and are sick and tired of getting picked on.
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Tineka
Dodge Dakota
8/29/2001
18:16:03
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What I dont seem to understand is at the time you buy a V6... you werent willing to spen the extra $600 for the V8 but you buy the V6 ... take it home.... then spend $2000 to make it run like V8
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lattimer
Dodge Dakota
8/29/2001
19:39:15
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Why even try to understand?? What any individual does with his or her truck is none of anyone elses business. I have a modified V-6 dak, and I love to blow off a 5.2 and tell them I have a 6. To each his own.
When I bought my 2000 CC SLT 4x4, I got a great price because nobody wanted the V-6, and the truck sat on the lot for about 4 months before I cam along. The V-8, equipped the way I wanted it, was around $26000, and they were selling themselves. Dealers wouldn't budge from the sticker price. I got my truck for $22000, when the sticker was $25,300. Not too bad for buying a 2000 truck in March 2000. I really wish people would stop yelling at each other with the "Why didn't you just buy a V-8" crap. I have what I have, and I'll spend my money any way I please, so if I ask a question, just answer it. I really hate reading everyone preaching about how great there V-8 is.
Another reason I bought the V-6 is that the 5.2 was no longer offered in 2000. I really am not interested in buying an engine that is in its first year model run. Heck, I worked on the timing system for the 4.7 when I was an engineer for Borg-Warner, less than 3 years ago. On the initial dyno runs, the engines failed around 80,000 miles (simulated). Sure, let me spend $26000 on that.....
I like my V-6!!!!
Shawn
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Zaurusman
Dodge Dakota
8/29/2001
21:27:31
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I wasn't looking for an overly powerful truck when I bought my Dakota; instead something that would be fun on the twisties and comfortable on road trips. And happy to play swiss army knife to my needs. So I special ordered a loaded 5-speed RC V6. A good daily driver for hopefully 10 years to get my money out of it. And then it arrived and I fell in love... OOPS! :-)
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http://www.tiborsrealm.com/Dakota/Index.htm
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fast80cc
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
01:21:06
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I did the same as lattimer, bought a V6 because 1) I could get it immediately, 2) It was much cheaper, 3) I don't really care about having a "drag truck". Got my RC, 5-spd, 4x4, 2001, V6,
A/C, T&H, CD, bed-liner, LSD for $17,200 after rebates. NOBODY had the same config. with a 4.7L (I was told that would be a special order only). There were LOTS of 2WD 4.7L QC, 4spd auto's at about $28,000 to be had. I must say I'm VERY happy with my truck. The V6 seems to have enough power (for me anyway) stock. I'm looking forward to a Stage-IV from Bernd sometime soon. That's <$1000, probably puts me at 200HP (crank), maybe 250ft-lbs (crank), which is plenty. My V6 FEELS fast! Ok, I know the V8 guys will claim it's just an illusion, so what! I test drove a big pig of a DAK (4x4, 4.7L, QC, auto) before buying mine. I'm at least 500lbs lighter. That and a 5-spd vs. auto seemed to negate any significant "seat of the pants" difference in "power". All said, that 4.7L is a NICE motor. Gotta hand it to DC for upping the ante! The option I would have spent $1000 on, had it been offered, is DECENT SEATS! Maybe I can find a wrecked R/T and yank the seats. V6, V8, SC, nitrous, you name it, except for the lucky R/T guys we all gotta live with those crappy stock seats. My $11k Neon provides MUCH better support than my Dak (ok, I know, it's a truck...).
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Jimmyc
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
02:16:22
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I think there's something to be said about doing something different. Not everone can afford a $400+ a month payment initially. When I bought my 98 RC 3.9 I made about half of the salary I do now. In fact when I bought my new 01 QC, my wife traded in her Mazda. She liked the 98 Dak better, especially with a few performance mods done to it (which she insisted on). She continues to roast S-10s and Rangers on a regular basis even at almost 100K miles. All I can say is to each his own!
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umStefa
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
10:21:15
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I too choose a V6 over the V8...
Why?
1) Got a 2001 truck in Dec. 2000 for $500 (CDN) over dealer cost, would have been close to $3500 more if I wanted a 4.7 (I wanted standard, silver, and there was one in the city. 4.7 would have to been special ordered)
2) I don't race, maybe a little off roading but my experience there is that 9/10 it is driver error that get's you stuck, not lack of power (sometimes I just have to rev higher that a v8 to accomplish the same thing)
3) I drive alot, and a little fuel saving (1-2 mpg compared to a friends 4.7) goes along way over time (especially with Canadian Gas Prices)
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Digs
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
10:50:07
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I love to hear guys whine why they bought a 6 instead of a 8...
my 5.2 chews up and spits out 6s all day..modified ones too...what a shame.
That is also why we call guys that ride Sportsters, (half a Harley), wimpy.
Keep on driving half a Dak...hahahaa
Gimmee a V8 any day.
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Doch80
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
12:10:19
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Digs,
If you wanted to "spit and chew" other vehicles up all day long then you should have bought a rice burner. An RX-7, Supra, or even that knew honda I here is pretty fast. Then you could spend all your money pimping that engine out and then blow the doors off of anything. On second thought go buy a crotch rocket. They're pretty fast too. Oh wait, then you complain about the prices of those imports, that they're too exspensive. Well, not all of us have a sh@t load of cash either. Paying a monthly payment and saving up a couple of months are two different things. You buy a truck that you can afford to pay for on a regular basis. It's not like you can save for a few months and then pay a truck payment whenever you want. You can however save up 4 to 5 months or more for a SC, headers, anything your heart could almost want. Big difference. I have a V8 b/c I'm really lucky. I hate to have people tell me how to spend my money. It's my money and it's my toy but the main thing is the truck is "MINE." If you have a V6 do what ever the hell you want with it. It doesnt' make you any less of a Dak owner.
Oh, and digs, are you trying to cover up something wrong with your sexuality by making other men in their dakota seem inferior to you?
Doch80
5.2 L 99' 4x4
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Zaurusman
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
13:31:08
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Who's whining, Digs? Sounds to me like we're all happy with 'em and so much so that we like to buy goodies for them to boot. Have you hopped up yours any? Is that because you wish you'd gotten a 5.9?
BTW - Your post inspired me, so I wanted to help you out in return. No need to thank me - it's my pleasure. I queried altavista on your behalf and found you this:
http://www.a1a-penis-enlargement.com/
It's all in good fun, man. :-)
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'98 RC V6 5spd
http://www.tiborsrealm.com/Dakota/Index.htm
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cbsdakota
Gen III
8/30/2001
13:54:50
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Let me get this straight, if you have a V6 it sucks and the V8 is the only way to go. People buy a 4.7 (.8 of a liter bigger than the 3.9) and that makes all the dang differnce in the world. Nobody says, haha 4.7 fag, buy a REAL V8 like a 5.2 or a 5.9. Sh!t, why stop there, why would you settle for a 5.9 V8 when you could have an 8.0 V10. Ooh ooh, I know, or you could bore and stroke a V10 to like 10 Litres with Quad turbos and run on pure nitrous. But then some guy out there will build a 10.1 liter, and you'll just look like an idiot. Haha, you only have a 10 liter! You suck!
I'm sick of arguing with the fortunate V8 guys. Let me tell you something, when you are barely able to make the $300 a month payment and you have to beg your wife to trade in your only car (her car) for a new Dak because you just have to have one and you can't wait, you'ld settle for a V6. Then when you get raises, make rank (military), tax returns, then you can afford the hop ups. Do you honestly think someone who could easily afford a $350 or $400 a month payment would settle for a V6 if they really want a V8. I wanted one so bad I could cry but I could only afford the V6 and I wanted my Dak so freakin much I broke down and bought the V6. I have had my truck for over a year and only been able to buy a Flowmaster and an Airaid. Oh baby, I'm rolling in the cash! And I like my V6 now. I've had 3 other 3.9's and they all did me great. One had 170,000 miles on it and ran like a dang charm. How do you think a 4.7 built just like a stock 3.9 (heads, cam, etc.) would run? Probably not so freakin great. The 4.7 is tweaked already. Yeah it's a great motor and all but it had some help before it left the factory. The 3.9 is a work motor okay. Where was I? Oh yeah, good for you for having a V8. Now I have a headache :(
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
14:53:51
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Gee Doch80, are you trying to hide your public school education by your poor spelling? LOL..
Ok, maybe I was too tough on the 6 cyl guys...as long as they are in Daks, they are cool.
I have no idea how much different a car payment is between a 6 and an 8, I have never made a car payment, always paid cash for my trucks. I cannot live with a WOMAN telling me what ENGINE I should have in my truck though...just DA** MAN. She drives what she likes, I drive what I want, none of that "is it okay with you honey?" stuff...guys, do NOT let your old lady tell you what to drive, she will put you on a bicycle.
Take care all and thanks for that website Zaurasman...I will save it for my p-whipped buddies. :)
Peace friends,
Digs
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steveo
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
15:49:26
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good point cbs, i hear ya
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V6 Ha, ha, ha
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
15:56:16
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Lets say the upgrade to a V8 is $600.00. (It is actually less, but I can't remember the exact number.) That equates to about $10.00 a month on a 5-year loan.
If you can't afford that, you should be buying a different vehicle!
And Digs, to the benefit of the V6 crowd, they are driving 3/4 of a Dakota... not half. (That would be the poor souls who own 4-bangers. He, he, he!)
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98SPRTV6
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
16:22:12
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You know it doesn't matter what any of you V6 bashing V8 drivers say, a 4 cyl, V6 or V8 is still a DAKOTA!!! That is what we are all here for anyways, its because we all love our trucks and we are here to help each other out not put everyone that has a smaller motor down because they couldn't afford the "V8" at the time of purchase.
And to quote V6 Ha Ha Ha:
Lets say the upgrade to a V8 is $600.00. (It is actually less, but I can't remember the exact number.) That equates to about $10.00 a month on a 5-year loan.
If you can't afford that, you should be buying a different vehicle!
And Digs, to the benefit of the V6 crowd, they are driving 3/4 of a Dakota... not half. (That would be the poor souls who own 4-bangers. He, he, he!)
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It is not because we couldn't afford the extra 10 bucks a month, have you ever thought that some of us didn't have enough established credit to get the V8 loan approved, or maybe that our insurance would have skyrocketed with the "V8" purchase? Come on guys motor size doesn't mean everything they are all still Dakotas!!!
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Doch80
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
16:52:57
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Spelling??? I'm a child of the 90's. I use spell check like they be learning me at them their school!!! :) And about the monthly payment of $10.00... unless you special order them, the v-8's and the 4x4's come pretty much decked out with every possible option. The V-6's don't. It might be different where you are but in San Antonio, that's the norm. So in short, it's more then a $600 difference.
"Drive on, drive on I say..."
Doch80
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V6 Ha, ha, ha
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
16:55:47
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If you can't get the V8 loan approved, this IS saying you can't afford the extra $10.00 a month. If you can't get your loan for an extra $600.00... it is the same thing.
In all honesty, I am just rassin' you guys a little. Having the Dakota is what counts. No hard feelings?
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Digs
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
16:56:06
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zoom, zoom!
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Lesley
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
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HAH! Love that website Zaurusman.... say, I bet one of those things would make our little buddy a dandy intake, but that's gettin' just a little too symbolic huh?
Let's just say that I'm real happy with my 3.9's performance - and getting checked out at every other stoplight doesn't hurt either.
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Zaurusman
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
18:55:51
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You're not going to get into bore and stroke next are you, Lesley? lol. A woman in a sharp truck ... hard to beat that for turn-ons! :-)
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'98 RC V6 5spd
http://www.tiborsrealm.com/Dakota/Index.htm
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Donald
Dodge Dakota
8/30/2001
19:10:09
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I don't get you people... whatever happened to maturity and respecting other's opinions?
and another thing... Speed isn't everything... My 3.9L Dak gets 20+ miles to the gallon on the highway... Can anyone beat that with a V8?
Did you all know that every 5 miles per hour over 55 you go, it doubles your chances of dying in an accident? there is more to life than speed. What about money? j/k. hehe
:)
Donald
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bernd
Gen III
8/30/2001
21:15:16
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Are you guys done yet? Sheesh....stop the sniveling!!
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Lesley
Dodge Dakota
8/31/2001
09:06:20
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Oy - information, insults & innuendo all in one thread!
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Zaurusman
Dodge Dakota
8/31/2001
13:00:42
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Hey Bernd, back to the original topic, how much WILL a V6 gain with a super?
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'98 RC V6 5spd
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lattimer
Dodge Dakota
8/31/2001
15:27:14
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Sorry! I guess I kinda incited another war. Next time I'll keep my mouth shut.
Shawn
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Chaz
Dodge Dakota
8/31/2001
20:01:50
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Some reasons to buy a V6:
1) MPG - OPEC doesn't deserve my $$
2) Lower weight - An SC Dak is lighter than a V8 Dak by several hundred lbs. This will explain 'better' performance by the V6 if 'SC'.
3) Smaller payment - Who wants to shell out $500+ a month on one vehicle? I have 2 cars, it all adds up. I bought the wife a new car first, unlike some, I don't feel it's ok to let the Mrs. drive around in a 10 yr old unsafe POS while I drive a new truck...
FYI-My 2001 2wd Club cab V6 Sport was $14500 with destination. No, it's not loaded, but, this is A LOT lower than some of the prices I see some of the (V8 guys) paid. Something to think about if cost is an object for you...
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THEUFO1
Dodge Dakota
9/02/2001
05:55:47
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HOLY SH1T. I HAD NO IDEA THIS WOULD GO CRAZZY OFF THE SUBJECT LIKE THIS. HAHA. Well the main reason get the v6 is that everyone isnt over 25 and can afford the V8 payments on insurance. And for the dumbass above. Why would i waste the money putting in a v8 engine into my truck.. IT doesnt just bolt right in. If you want a really fast car then why thr fúck did you buy a dakota. I love mine. I know im not the fastest. And when im done fixing up my v6 engine i will whoop the sh1t out of almost any v8 dakota. Any one can buy a faster car/truck. It takes a real man to make a slower one faster!
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jeff
Dodge Dakota
9/02/2001
09:33:24
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It is really amazing how much trouble some of you
guys go to just to be able to cuss alittle on a
site that doesn't permit it : )
I can't believe there are dealers getting sticker
price. Normal in the northeast is $100-$400 over invoice.
Jeff
01 QC 5.9 - $23800paid $28200sticker
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Tineka
Dodge Dakota
9/02/2001
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Swaping a V6 to a V8 IS A BOLT IN. My boyfriend has done it and it cost less than HALF of the cost of a supercharger.
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Wes
Gen III
9/02/2001
13:48:50
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For those looking for more performance from the 3.9: Look at the kits from Speed Tweaks. The "Street Screamer" is $4,750 for the s/c and lots of other stuff. The dyno results are 209 HP and 277 TQ. Those numbers are ruffly 4.7 and 5.9 stock numbers. For probably less than $2,000 you could drop a 5.9 in and spend $2,750 in the 5.9. That seems to make a lot more sense. Rather than have 209 HP for $5k, you will have probably around 300 HP. Then there is a lot more potential. That old saying "there is no replacement for displacement" is kind of arguable nowadays from the factory. But THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR CYCLINDERS. I will never own a V6 again.
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cbsdakota
Gen III
9/02/2001
14:31:32
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So your saying for only 2k you can buy a 5.9 and everything needed to install. Sure!
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Tineka
Dodge Dakota
9/02/2001
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I paid $1000 for a 5.2L with EVERYTHINGneeded for a install.... I got mine for a body shop that had a totaled dakota..... I agree with Wes... why spend $5000 on a s/c to make a V6 perform like a V8
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FastRT6dakota
Dodge Dakota
9/02/2001
22:24:45
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Hey, why doesn't everyone order the same truck with the same options in the same color and the same year on the same day??? That way we can all be exactly the same and no one will be singled out and picked on. I CAN HEAR KARL MARX rolling around in his grave right now. Geez people...shut up. Who cares about the size of the motor. Look at smokin' dakota (www.smokindakota.com). I wouldnt care if it was a 2.5,3.9,4.7,5.2, or a 5.9. Its awesome looking. And once bernd gets his truck on the ground, I will be parking my V8 for a while. (I'm already scared of him) Oops I let the cat out of the bag. Yes I own a 4.7L. I pay $386/month (ask me and I'll scan my payment book). I get 12mpg city/and about 20-21mpg highway. I'm 19, go to college, work full time and still have time to drive my bone stock 4.7 which has been whipped on by many imports in my area.yes they were turbos or highly modded, but still...the point is, no matter how big your engine is or how much you spend, there is always something lifted, lowered, s/c'd,turbo'd, N2O'd, better stereo, bigger rims, bigger exhaust, more neons, or whatever. Thats called jealousy. GET OVER IT!!!
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