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JAY
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10/16/2003
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Anybody else think the new viper is not as good lookin as the old ones
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GraphiteDak
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10/17/2003
00:29:53
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Chevy is CHEAP. I have built Chevy's too. CHEAP. They don't last half of what a mopar V8 does though. Not a chance!
The Viper, last I read, is still slightly faster than the Corvette in the 1/4 STOCK.
I'll admit that kind of power from a BIG V10 doesn't impress me much. Power per displacement is kind of low. But I've heard of there being 1000+ HP versions of the V10 so if you got LOTS of money it's some MASSIVE daily driving power. But I'm sure those would be far and few with the initial cost of the car and then the mods.
And like I've said. I've seen Mopar Slant Sixes running 11's in the 1/4 all motor! That's not my cup of tea either but DAMN!
The bottom line pretty much is, DOdge engines seem more reliable as far as FEWER scattering all over the highway like Chevy can do. Chevy is the CHEAPEST. And of course the FOrd Mustang 5.0 will always be more POPULAR than anything in my lifetime. What other car can you buy a COMPLETE supercharger for under $2000? You can build a FUEL INJECTED 5.0 with 400 HP really cheap. And IMO the 5.0 RARELY scatter like the cheap Chevy 350's did. Chevy's had the weakest Cranks and Cams! I've never even seen a flat FORD cam unless someone adjusted the valves wrong. Chevy's were lucky to see 100k miles without haveing a SERIOUSLY flat cam! That may be different now. But in the ever plentiful old school SMC that is so true! I've had them myself. Makes a built in REV LIMITER!
But anyway, Chevy, Mopar, Ford, they're all good to build up so who's to say one is BEST and the other SUCKS?
2003 Graphite QC 4X4 4.7 Auto 3.55
Home Brewed Cold Air Intake, Flowmaster 40 series, Modified TPS to .72VDC, Modified IAT. 160° T-Stat.
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cham
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10/24/2003
11:16:26
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well as for your 1000 + v 10's ive also seen 1000 + HP v8's so thats really not that special. as for chevy'snot getting a 100K ive personally saw them have over 190K and as far as 200 +. have you ever even owned a chevy ? if not then you have experiance in order to jusge them , as ive siad in beofer posts ive had all three leading truck brands and i am in the situation to say that dodge and ford SUCK!. the retail and resale values on chevys are extremely higher the ford or dodge even when they have over 100K. most 97 -99 Z71's that i have saw at dealers have 90 -130 K on the clock and are seeling any where from 10- 13 grand. so how can you sit behind that closed minded screen of yours and saw they dont last?
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haha
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10/24/2003
11:54:00
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They don't last.
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Eli
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10/26/2003
08:37:56
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I've owned Chevy's and they are great trucks. My 2002 R/T is giving me hell with problems. I think the Chevy's are a better quality pickup. My 92 and 94 S-10's were awesome, almost hitting the 100,000 mile mark, and they had no problems, except a water pump on one went bad.
My R/T keeps going to the shop with engine codes, squeaky brakes, a/c hose leaked in the cab, computer went bad (so they say) and it ran like it only had 3 cylinders...and guess what? The MIL is back on AGAIN, P0205 and P0206.
I won't knock Chevy's, never owned a Ford, but Dodge has dissapointed me thus far. I hope it gets better, b/c I do like my R/T.
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Mr.H
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11/02/2003
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Well,
I just had a dude in a newer reg. cab silverado 5.3 auto talk smack and he's stock.
I have a 4.7 CC 5 spd. /CAI/TBS/Removed 3rd Cat/Dynomax single in/out 2.5/AMSOIL 5-30, and have raced a 2003 5spd Mustang GT and beat him by about 1 ft. thru 2nd gear and side by side thru 3rd. We were in Little Rock on Rodney Parham so we couldn't open em up past 3rd, but you get the picture.
I just don't think the Chebby can hang.
He said his auto 5.3 runs a 14.7 and I just don't believe him. Not stock. No way.
Any input?
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01Motorsport
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11/04/2003
09:06:34
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Even the SS's are slower than that.
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Mr.H
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11/04/2003
09:18:44
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Exactly, but remember he is a reg. cab. I still think I'd beat him bad enough to crack on him though, but I'd rather baby my truck than waste my motor on stompin a slow Shevvy!
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JD
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11/04/2003
20:23:52
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Why didnt chevy put a late model LT1 or LS1 in their trucks?
Granted Chevy motors are cheap but I have to tell you I have a 94 LT1 that I have put 148k miles on and have not any any failures until recently.
The optispark distibutor failed. I am told that in 94 it was a problem part and I am extremely lucky to have gotten over 40K on the original.
Since your 4.7 is based on the old 273/318 I am very impressed that you smoked a 5.0
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Mr.H
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11/04/2003
23:12:58
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4.7 based on the old motors??????????
Nope. It's a fairly new design. Look up some pics of that botton end. What do ya think now? OHC based on a pushrod? Nope.
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jd
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11/05/2003
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I got that info on chryslers websight
They said it was based on the LA318.
Iron block, alum heads, 2 valve per cyl
etc......no mention of ohc
it said it was a small bore 318
they also said it was almost a hemi except for the "flat tire" appearance on one side of the combustion chamber
i dont see much beneift in an ohc (except slight weight and friction reduction- maybe a few ponies worth)unless it is dohc and then it would only be valuable in the high revs.
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enigma
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11/05/2003
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The best part about an OHV is the lack of pushrods to potentially break, as well as better tuning capacities as far as cams go.
Here is a write up on the 4.7
http://www.dodgeram.org/tech/gas/Cammer/4_7_v8.html
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Joe Blow
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11/05/2003
13:15:59
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first of all, to the *sshole who said the 4.7 was based on the 273/318, not only are you wrong but incredibly stupid. The 4.7 is actually based off of a hemi, hence the hemispherical heads, (while not actually hemispherical they are semi-hemispherical). There is no way, no way in hell that a 5.3 chevy stock would beat a 4.7 dakota. NO WAY IN HELL. Anyone who thinks so has obviously not seen it firsthand. Chevy does not make sh*tty engines (neglecting the 305, 2.8, 2.0, 6.5 mind you) but it is simply not possible for the chevy to beat the 4.7 b/c of weight and just the size of the truck.
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Jarvis
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11/05/2003
15:46:34
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Everybody go back and read what cham said about comparing a full-size truck to a midsize. We are
comparing two different things. We Dakota owners
a in a Mopar class by ourselves. We can out-tow
and out-haul the little play-toy trucks and out-tow and out-haul some of the full sizes with weaker drive-trains. We Dak's have the best of both worlds. Dakota's are the most well rounded truck on the market. Mine is a reg cab sport plus
with a 4.7 (287c.i.) 4WD. I purposely bought a reg cab with a V8 because of the power to weight
ratio. I also like the fact that the wheelbase is
short enough that parking in tight parking lots is no problem. It's really like having a sports car with a 6-foot bed. I can take curves with it
like Ryan Newman and accelerate out of 'em like
John Force. (9.89) 1/8 mile time so far and will
keep improving with future mods. Enough to take
an older Mustang LX on the interstate from a 55mph roll to 100mph where I had 3 truck lengths
on him to his amazement and embarrassment. I was
not so fast with a later model 98 or so GT. Same
thing 55 roll pulled him by 3/4's of a truck through 105, even at 110, passed at 112 when I hit the stupid governor. I guess 4WD's are not supposed to go 113 or something. I was also able to get around in the seldom North Carolina snow last year with ease with a smile on my face. I think the perfect all-around vehicle is the mid-size Dakota with four doors. When the Chevy Colorado mid-size comes out, then we will have a
truck to compare ours. If any of you are police officers out there, the above stories a fictional
and only meant for entertainment. Until there are only rice burners, make mine MOPAR!
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Mr.H
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11/05/2003
22:49:41
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Well put, well put.. Very good
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Chevy
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11/20/2003
17:21:47
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MOPAR, SLOW PAR!!!!!
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onequick5.3
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12/24/2004
23:20:21
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OK, I own a RCSB 5.3 vortec. It utilizes the same design motor as the LS1. It makes 255 rwhp and 298 rwtq with a Borla exhaust, ASP pullies, KN FPIK, and Superchips programmer. It weighs 4226 on a official scale without me in it. 0-60 times are 6.3-6.7. There is only 2 things I dont like about it the 4L60e sucks as a transmission, and it has 3.42 gears, but I have 29 inch tires so its more like a 3.50 or so. I have beaten a early 90 stang from a 70 roll by 4 lengths, a 97 GT, a RCSB hemi 2wd by 1.5 lengths, a New Jeep with the hemi, and several quad cabs. I never ran the 1/4 but I think it could do a 14.4-14.6 or so. I am a serious modder, I just ordered the Dynatech supermaxx headers for my truck and I have a Thunder Racing custom grind TR220 (220 220 .551 .551 112 lobe) cam in the garage waiting to be installed. With TR pushrods, comp 918 springs, LS6 oil pump, a JWIS timing chain, the only thing left I need to get is a custom mail order tune so when I install the cam it functions perfectly. This combo made 340 rwhp and 340 rwtq on a truck owned by someone at Thunder Racing witha 300 stall it ran a 13.0 flat in the 1/4! And they have video of it at the Thunder Racing Shootout.
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onequick5.3
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12/24/2004
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EDIT 300 stall is suppose to be 3000.
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ZZ
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12/26/2004
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How does the 4.7 compare to the GM 4.8?
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einstein
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12/27/2004
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It's 100cc smaller. J/k ;-)
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