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ron
Dodge Dakota
8/15/2001
19:51:52
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Does anyone make a conversion to remove my POS automatic and replace it with a 5 spd. If someone wants to donate a Viper 6-spd, I'd consider installing that instead.
Seriously about the conversion though? Anyone?
Can I just use the stuff from a 5.2L and what would I need?
Thanks
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TravisB
Dodge Dakota
8/15/2001
20:10:59
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Ron,
The 5.2 trans will bolt to your 5.9l. You will need a new flywheel for the 5.9l (different external balance). Mopar Performance makes one that they advertise for the crate motors. I'm not sure what you will be able to use for a clutch with the NP 5-speed. You will also need a special pilot bushing to adapt you automatic (not machined) crank to the 5-speed input shaft. I don't remember the number of the bushing off hand.
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ron
Dodge Dakota
8/15/2001
20:21:54
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Cool
Thanks Travis.
That gives me someplace to start. If anyone else knows the part numbers or anything else, it would be much appreciated.
Next question would be is the NP(?)5spd capable of handling the 5.9L?
And do I need any kind of different crossmember or something under the transmission? And what about the Driveshaft...same length?
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Manuel
Dodge Dakota
8/15/2001
20:51:56
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Excuse my knowledge of Fords for a minute. When it comes to the F-150, you cannot get the bigger v-8 with a manual transmission. But they have always offered a manual transmission with the same engine in the heavy f-250s and above. For example, the 351 offered a manual in the f-250. Does Dodge also do this? You may want to check into this if you haven't already.
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ron
Dodge Dakota
8/16/2001
01:14:24
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This will show how naive I am about Dodge's but are the 318 and the 360 the same size physically? Because, If they are, then only the internal workings are an issue. Having to find a different bushing doesn't sound like too big a deal if the crank is machined differently but Manuel brings up a good point. Do they put a 5.9L/5spd combo in the rams? If so, do they have different crankshafts for a 5spd vs. an Automatic? That would seem odd.
All your help is appreciated.
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Marc 99 R/T
Dodge Dakota
8/16/2001
12:30:41
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I have done some extensive research into this matter. The Viper 6 speed will not bolt up the bell housing is WAY different. The 5 speed trans. that was used in the 5.9 ram SS trucks are a piece of junk. A majority of this knowledge comes from a tranny jedi master in AZ. He owns a viper and rebuilds all kinds of trannys.
Marc Murray
99 r/t with all kinds of cool stuff
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CyberWolf
Dodge Dakota
8/16/2001
13:07:34
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Someone makes a 6 speed conversion kit for the R/T that included the tranny. Now I just have to remember where I found it.
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Brian Gaarder
Dodge Dakota
8/16/2001
16:54:22
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This is just my 2cents but....... if remove your auto trans and install a auto wouldnt you have to replace your engine wire harness and PCM ? also the pedal setup would have to change,,,,,,,
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Marc 99 R/T
Dodge Dakota
8/16/2001
22:27:45
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If you going this far you a probably going to get your computer flashed anyways. A good friend of my does it all the time. www.krcperformance.com let Marty know you heard it from Marc in Tampa...
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ron
Dodge Dakota
8/16/2001
23:47:52
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the six speed is a pipe dream but it is interesting that someone makes a kit.
I had thought about the computer thing. Can someone verify that the computer would have to be flashed? Because, I understand that the computer would control shifting but if there is no shifting to control, what else would be affected? Would the fuel and timing maps be different for an auto vs. a manual? I'm just wondering if I could get by for a while without it to cut down the upfront cost of the project.
Who is the Jedi (transmission) Master in AZ? I'm in Phoenix.
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Marc 99 R/T
Dodge Dakota
8/17/2001
08:32:49
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His real name if Frank go figure his number is 602-442-4800. Very nice guy straight forward (no crap. You right you may not even have to get the computer flashed but don't hold me to that.
Marc
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ron
Dodge Dakota
8/22/2001
03:38:09
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Thanks for the number Marc. I think I will give him a call and see what he thinks. I've only had my truck for about three weeks and I can already tell I'm gonna truly hate the automatic.
http://server3002.freeyellow.com/frontis/dak/dak_home.html
I haven't owned an automatic since 1990 and that was a 1976 Grand Prix...makes my Dak seem tiny. Thanks again and any other info will be appreciated.
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98SPRTV6
Dodge Dakota
8/22/2001
10:01:58
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Richmond makes a 6-speed conversion kit for the R/T's, if you are willing to spend 3 grand on just the tranny!!
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CyberWolf
Dodge Dakota
8/22/2001
10:07:00
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Yep, thats it. I don't know why I couldn't remember that. Thanks 98sprtv6.
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98SPRTV6
Dodge Dakota
8/22/2001
10:53:01
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No prob!
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Marc 99 R/T
Dodge Dakota
8/22/2001
17:07:13
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Looks like we should look into a group buy?????
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Todd Floyd
Dodge Dakota
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9/10/2003
12:23:53
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Check into the computer aspect more, just so you know what to expect. If a program is designed to monitor something and it doesn't see anything there, it doesn't ignore it. It responds with a MIL lite on the dash and respective codes about open/shorted circuits and sensors out of range, etc.
By the way, has anyone done a 5.9 conversion from a 5.2? Are there differences to cause problems in the conversion?
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