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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
8/04/2001
22:04:18
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 Subject: The old 4.7 against R/T thing
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Been seeing discussions and flame wars over this subject for some time now but I needed more numbers from the race track to satisfy myself. Well I got them last night. It is true that the 4.7/5 sp./3.92 combo will out run a stock R/T. I, also know that the 5.2/5sp./3.92 will out run the stock R/T. We have one of each....or we did till last week when both were traded in on Lightenings. Anyway I got to see a 4.7/auto/3.92 run. No where close to the R/T. If we compare apples to apples the R/T is faster. I, also got to see a stock '99 5.2 cc/auto/3.55 run against a stock Y2K 4.7 cc/auto/3.55. Multiple passes proved just what I have thought all along and that is the 4.7, performance wise, is the same as the 5.2. Well this will probably start some kind of a war but all vehicles that I am talking about is stock. Some will say that there is no substitute for cubic inches but that just ain't true. Substitute a standard transmission and you will see the difference. Substitute cubic dollars and you will see a bigger difference. I put cubic dollars into my '99 5.2 cc/auto/3.92 and beat both the '98 5.2rc/5sp./3.92 and the '99 R/T cc. Now they bought Lightenings and I'm the slow guy again. Bummer.
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
8/07/2001
10:56:47
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Very true but the part about the manual tranny and no replacement for cubic inches. Well who the hell figured that chrysler would not put a 5 speed manual in a R/T It makes no damm sence. They build a half ass race truck but use a truck tranny designed for towing. Chrysler should make a new 5 speed for the R/T and all of a sudden the 4.7s wouldnt be so big.
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
8/07/2001
11:08:04
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Dodge should make a supercharged 5.7 Liter 5-speed and the Lightning wouldn't be so big.
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Anthony
Dodge Dakota
8/07/2001
11:30:09
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It's not all Chryslers decision on what they can put into a vehicle. There are environmental compliance regulations that must be meet to pass certain engine an tranny combos.
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
8/07/2001
11:40:20
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Yeah, I could see where all that tire smoke flying around would be harmful for the environment! hahahahahaha
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mark crisler
Dodge Dakota
8/07/2001
16:40:43
| RE: The old 4.7 against R/T thing
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THANKS WAYNE FOR THE NUMBERS. YOU HIT THE THING I WAS GETTING AT RIGHT ON THE NOSE. ALL THE R/T GUYS WANTED TO FIGHT ABOUT IT BUT STOCK VS. STOCK WAS THE ISSUE. AND CUBIC DOLLARS IS THE KEY. GIVE ME THE $36,000 CUBIC DOLLARS TO SPEND ON A R/T AND I WOULD KILL ME A LIGHTNING, SYCLONE, ETC. I HAVE BEEN BUILDING MAGAZINE VEHICLES FOR ALONG TIME AND THE REASON IS THAT A ENTRY LEVEL VEHICLE CAN BE DECKED OUT TO OUT PERFORM THE FACTORY'S TOP MODEL FOR A HELL OF A LOT LESS. BUT MY HAT IS OFF TO MOPAR FOR STUFFING A BIG BLOCK INTO A DAKOTA. BESIDES WHAT GOOD IS A R/T NEON???
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Joe
Dodge Dakota
8/08/2001
11:27:17
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I also appreciate the numbers, but I must point out that Mopar did not stuff a big block into the Dakota. The 5.9 is a 360, which is just a small block.
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alex
Dodge Dakota
8/08/2001
13:34:59
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Yeah, but Troy Trepanier stuffed a 526 Hemi into a Quad Cab for Hot Rod Magazine. That's a pretty big block.
Heeeeeeheeeee!
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MARK CRISLER
Dodge Dakota
8/08/2001
18:54:52
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I'LL TAKE A HEMI ANY DAY. BUT CUBIC DOLLARS ON THIS MOD IS $15,000 +.
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alex
Dodge Dakota
8/09/2001
10:03:32
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Not to run this this 4.7 vs 5.9 thing into the ground, but a stock 4.7L can also outrun a mod'd R/T as well. I raced a 2000 R/T with the new Powerdyne Supercharger kit. I have a 4.7 5-spd Sport Club Cab with a 3.55 posi rear with a Volant Intake Tube and that's my only mod. My 15.48 at 89 mph crossed the line before his 15.88 @ 95 mph. His big 17" tires with their stiff sidewalls spun all the way to the 1/8th mile marker. He finally bit and started coming on hard, but by the big end, it was too late to catch me. A lot of this "who can beat who" arguement depends on the driving, as well.
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
8/09/2001
11:51:38
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You all know I'm driving a 4.7 but....... it's a good thing you guys didn't switch truck then!
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THEUFO1
Dodge Dakota
8/09/2001
12:40:23
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yes he was spining his tires....so if he was smart he would not do that all the way down to the 1/8m, and whoop on your 4.7 l...riiight.
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alex
Dodge Dakota
8/09/2001
12:53:55
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Sure. Looking at that 95 mph e.t., he'd probably have run a 14.0 flat. Could've whipped my ass by a full 1.5 seconds, right? But, like I said, some of it depends on the driver. Cubic dollars can only get you so far.
In the pouring down rain, a Moped could beat John Force. A lot depends on the driver.
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stan the man
Dodge Dakota
8/10/2001
22:12:42
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Yeah umm Alex your an idiot
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
8/11/2001
14:31:15
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Awww Stan, give Alex a break. He realizes that the Supercharged R/T only won because the poor little Dak had no driver. I once beat a '70 Challenger w/440/4 sp./3.92 ls with my '70 Challenger w/340/auto/3.55 ls. He had the car but he couldn't drive worth crap. Bottom line - I WON.
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alex
Dodge Dakota
8/13/2001
10:21:15
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Hey, Stan.... Since you're the man, Wanna Race??
Hey, Wayne.....
Me Too!! I won!! On that night at that track, I won!!
And as always, we thank you for your support. See you at the track.
a
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mark crisler
Dodge Dakota
8/14/2001
00:26:55
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IF YOU CAN'T BUILD IT BUY IT (R/T)... IF YOU CAN BUILD IT EVERYONE WILL DOUBT YOU UNTIL THEY EAT YOUR SMOKE. (the best buy is a slt, MORE OPTIONS LESS $$$$$) MY HATS OFF TO THE LOW BUCK LIGHTING KILLERS...HEY MOPAR WHERE'S OUR FACTORY SUPERCHARGERS!!!!!!!!!
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kraw
Dodge Dakota
8/14/2001
00:41:02
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hard to read with ALL THE CAPS!
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Littlejohn
Dodge Dakota
11/30/2001
22:05:54
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Got me a 2002 Ram , anyone make a supercharger kit for them yet?
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
11/30/2001
23:17:26
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Care to add some more details to that post?
Like what kind of engine it has.
Regardless of thr engine there should be a SC for it unless it came with a 3.7 liter if the V6 is still a base modle option.
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Will
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
08:54:44
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I too am wondering if we will ever see a Mopar factory SC. I think you can get a TRD SC on about anything Toyota makes and still keep the warrenty. How about an TRD SC IS 300?
It would be a great way for DC to make $4,000+ a pop. Some people actually get paid to come up with ways to increase a company's bottom line....
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
18:31:13
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While I realy like my 2001 4.7 QC 4x4 SLT+..... I realy doubt that this engine is going to be as durable as the LA motors were. I think the the pistons and rings are going to be be a real limiting factor for durability. TRW already makes a replacement for the Jeeps with the 4.7. They moved the rings down, lengthened the skirts and increased ring tension a little. These few things should solve the durability issues.
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J-man
Dodge Dakota
12/09/2001
20:33:20
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hey guy insted of the hemi take the rout i took . i bought a 98 r/t that was rolled for 5000 and it coasted like 2500 for a new roof and make it better than factory then i took the 360 and 5 speed out and went and found a viper motor and hooked it up to a built 727 the total project ran about 17000 now i have the fastes car/truck in town and i run 11.56 in the 1/4 with those crappy gears but i have 4.88 on the way
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
12/10/2001
00:03:25
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J-man, if the truck you bought had a 5-speed tranny in it then it wasn't a R/T since R/T's only came with the auto tranny. Nice choice of engines though, but why didn't you just use the t-56 out of the Viper instead of the 727??
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Bill Clements
Dodge Dakota
12/11/2001
13:13:21
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I wanted a R/T but could not stand the fact of no 5 speed, so I built my own version of it, have as much in it as an R/T but can chirp 3rd and I lauch like a rocket at the lights, they think I am on the bottle until they see I am 5 on the floor :)
http://www.flairphoto.com/rtdakota.htm
Bill
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
12/11/2001
15:34:58
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So what we have here is a 100% pure example of a poser. I don't mind people gin for the look, and it doesn't even matter if you are fatser than a regualr R/T, but if you don't have a R/T, don't put the R/T badges on.
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