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R/T envy
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3/24/2003
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Oh yes us poor R/T owners indeed.....
Hmmm a truck which arguably is the better looking vehicle...
Hmmm a truck that could just run circles around any other Dakota on a skid pad test....
Unless of course you poor 4.7 owners want to spend money to upgrade that as well...
There, there now 4.7 owners... it's okay we will let you beat a few of us a time or two before a few simple (Cheap) mods let us kick your ass for good...!
Hope there are no turns cause you might just have to ease up on the peddle to navigate the course.
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rt crybaby
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3/24/2003
15:53:25
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no, not all R/T owners are poor, just people like you, r/tenvy. who are sooo hurt because for the longest time it was all 5.9 then all of the sudden, this 4.7 came along, and suddenly, its getting more attention than your precious engine.
ive owned both a 5.9 and now a 4.7 they are BOTH great engines, but their uses are where they differ, the 5.9 is a low-revver, i loved it in the mud, or when towing, but the 4.7 is a high-revver, and i loved it when speeding and racing.
yes stock to stock, the 4.7 is better, and yeah, if one engine gets some good mods, then it will be better than the other, blah blah blah, its the same old crap.the 4.7 in that mopar now! article had 3.55 gears and the 5.9 had 3.92, but yet the 4.7 still won. god why cant you people just accept that there might be a better engine than
yours, i hope they dont put the 5.7 in a dak because then im sure the 4.7 and 5.9 people will try to compare themselves to it.
GROW UP
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steve
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3/24/2003
17:20:53
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R/T crybaby can you not see we are not trashing the 4.7 we are SIMPLY saying that the driver of the R/T was incabable of handling the power of the 5.9 at the launch and that the times are VERY inconsistant with every other r/t in the world!Simple!And to say that the 4.7 is better well I guess we will know the truth over time.So how do you know the 4.7 is better? The main reason that the 4.7 keeps up is because of the stick! (Here is where I expect you to bring up the Mopar now article again which is crap on the r/t side REALLY!!)I realize the R/T has no 5-speed but if it had do you really believe that the 4.7 would keep up? Then would that make the 5.9 better?.Take a look at the forums and see who has the questions about problems with there engines!Aswell I bought the R/T because it is loaded with wheels ,lowering ,big meats,looks and handles way better than any stock 4.7 off the lot and has most options.And the truck is rare and gets lots of looks I mean alot!Dollar for dollar what is the better deal? Go to dodge.com and build your own on site and compare the prices when they are suited up the same!The R/T may be a LITTLE more but you get the benifits of why I bought an R/T -handling,wheels and tires,factory lowering aswell as wicked looks.So you go buy your 4.7 and do all the r/t wannabe stuff and see what you paid!
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Hoss318
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3/24/2003
20:55:07
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Well, you asked for it.....
A basic SLT Club Cab 4.7 5-speed 3.55 on dodge.com is $20,530. (no sport online...wierd)
A base R/T is $26,860.
This leaves over $6,300 left over for mods.
R/T wheels with tires new is about $1200, hotchkis TVS is about $1200.
So you can actually get a 5-speed, put $2400 into it, and run circles around an R/T AND get better gas mileage, with $4000 left over for whatever (power windows, or stereo, or blower...)
Then again, this debate will never end, and sure won't make any of us trade our trucks in. No matter which engine, we can all be happy we don't have the 3.9!!!
R/Trottmann
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steve
R/T
3/24/2003
21:17:27
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Don't be so lazy, actually price them out to have the same options I have just done that and it would make a 1300.00 difference between the two.Just check it out!6000.00 give me a break.
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cool
Dodge Dakota
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3/24/2003
22:42:45
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So which is better, the 4.7 or the 5.9? I've read these posts and I'm still not sure. Anyone?
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IdahoRT
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3/25/2003
02:56:32
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This thread is interesting. I've had a blown CC R/T for two years and just picked up a 4.7 RC today. Sure, the R/T will blow it away (now) in a straight line, but I must say, the 4.7 is going to be fun, especially with the 5-speed tranny. Already have half the Hotchkis kit on and my extra R/T wheels. Going to try and break it in and change oil in time for this weekends autox.
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Skyne
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3/25/2003
06:01:07
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Even though people rant about this subject, they often forget about the 318, its faster than both the 4.7 and the 5.9 in the 1/4
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rtdkota
R/T
3/25/2003
10:25:32
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Just got the magazine--- and the magazine itself admits-- "the R/T just can't get the torque to the tarmac."
The 4.7L is a good engine, makes good power-- This comparison showed that. BUT... It also shows the 5.9L RT takes a little finesse to get it off the line properly. 17.00 1/4 mi??? That's a melt down! ;)
To take this little match up a step further--- they should go full route---
1) figure a mock up of what it cost to buy the truck-- $$
2) insurance for both vehicles -cost $$
3) Complete a 500 mile road trip -cost fuel $$
4) Hit a carshow.... reaction
5) Do an auto-x-- times
6) And 2 1/4 mi events (2 different tracks-- head to head).
The 17.00 1/4 mi tire fry shows a driver that's use to the truck-- give them a week to drive it around and get use to it...
The harder sidewalls of the RSAs at 44 psi vs. the 15x8s on the 4.7L are a major difference in off the line traction.
Sure, with the right driver, the RT won't win by much-- it shouldn't.
Maybe another comparison-- Do a Dyno-- then add some mods, say $500 stage 1, then a $1000 stage 1-- and see who benefits from the mods in those price ranges. ;)
Sam
Still I enjoyed the reading.
www.socaldakota.com
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Truth
Dodge Dakota
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3/25/2003
10:51:45
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HAHA! You guys just can't handle it... Keep the excuses coming!
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cool
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3/25/2003
10:52:47
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I say buy what you like, drive it, and enjoy it and don't let anyone else's opinion bother you in the least!
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teamfast
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3/25/2003
11:45:48
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NOTE: The 4.7 in the mopar now article had an automatic tranny not a 5 speed.
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rtdkota
R/T
3/25/2003
12:28:34
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Truth?? No real name man-- what's with that---
To me it's not a Vs. thing... cause I already know what my truck ran stock, 15.8--- two weeks later I had it to 15.01---
One item not touched on-- the 5.9L with low mileage *less than 5k* is a tight motor-- running it hard with less than 5k makes it run like a dog further down the road, and if you break it in correctly-- will run faster/get better mileage after breakin. The 4.7L doesn't seem to take as long on the break in---
Little things---
Try to order some HO heads right now...
:)
I sell cams for the 4.7L, Heads, TBs, etc... So go 4.7L heheh
Sam
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Texas Todd
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3/25/2003
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I'm a 4.7er, but I have to agree, if the times posted were what they ran the 1/4 in for an R/T, I also think they needed another driver!
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AndrewM
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3/25/2003
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It seems that the age ole 4.7 vs 5.9 often gets confused with the SLT/Sport 4.7 vs the RT 5.9. I think that's kinda comparing apples and oranges. The SLT/Sport is designed as an all-around truck. The RT is designed as a street truck.
To directly compare the 4.7 to the 5.9, the RT package needs to be eliminated from the equation. I think a more valid comparison should be made between similarly configured trucks, except for the motor. Right now, the only way to do that stock would be with Quad Cabs. Put a 4.7 auto QC up against a 5.9 QC. That would be a direct comparision between the two motors/trannies.
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teamfast
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3/25/2003
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R/T envey> Better looking truck? touche! that would be up to the owner although a set of fender flares on a sport plus gives you the r/t body. and the 1inch drop hardly makes it a street truck capable of high g's. I paid 500 bucks for a 2/3 drop that really makes it corner.
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Hoss318
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3/25/2003
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steve- I wasn't being lazy, I was being uninformed. What options does the R/T have that the base sport doesn't? I never figured this out, because there's no way I'm going to buy an automatic.
Andrew M- good point!
Sam- Mmmmm..... 70mm TB... I'll be contacting you soon :-)
R/Trottmann
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01Motorsport
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3/25/2003
22:47:00
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Is this a record for most posts on one subject?! I just picked up the Mopar Now issue today. Notice the lower first gear in the 4.7's tranny, they reason that it effectively lowered the 3:55 rears. 31 degree temp makes for some hard tires. But how about that peg-leg 4.7 vs. locker 5.9?!
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Texas Todd
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3/26/2003
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4.7 quad, 5spd, HO cams, 3.55lsd, and I usually drive on the frwy around 1600-2000 rpm.
My engine doesn't bog when I have to do the usual accellerations, etc.
My 4.7 has plenty of torque for me, but right now, it's probably still about 10-15ft/lbs less than the peak torque of a stock 5.9
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rtdkota
R/T
3/26/2003
11:57:02
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For you 5.9L guys that are afraid of the 'lil 4.7L---
Here's a TB for the big boys--
http://www.socaldakota.com/images/parts/renzonimounton58mm.jpg
And for the 4.7L guys with Turbos, SC, or N20---
The 72mm-- Ahh.... Ohhh.... We got that too. ;)
www.socaldakota.com
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Duner
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3/26/2003
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Awe C'mon Sam........ you know that the Kenne Bell page says that a TB doesn't do anything for either engine! hahahahahaha
In all honesty - It's difficult for me to imagine how a non-posi/one-legger 4.7 could out-launch the R/T with a posi on the same track. Unless of course traction wasn't the deciding factor. It just could be that lower 1st gear makes the difference?
I read that the R/T ran only 1 mph faster than the 4.7 at the big end of the track. That's not really that much of a difference when you're at the track.... that's only a 1.5' per second difference.
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Notchlx
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3/26/2003
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72MM TB, hummmmm ahhhh
Supercharged applications? Wanna donate a TB to science? See what the gain is on a S/C'd application?
Duner's running one on the TURBO, right?
Let's see what they do on the supercharged. I'll test it for free. hehehe
If I wasn't a broke beggar, I'd buy one.
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dude
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3/26/2003
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I'd like to say that the 4.7s are quick, but the 5.9s are quicker if they're both stock.The times in Mopar Now, which I have seen, are slower for the R/T's probably because of traction issues.I'd bet if they both had a pair of slicks the R/T would probably equal it out or beat the 4.7 by .1-.3 tenths.I own an R/T, and have blew away many 4.7 daks and many 5.9rts, and at stock I believe the R/Ts faster.And why would Dodge make it the top engine choice if it's not the quickest?And it isn't for towing, I assure you.Have you seen the ratings on those?That's all.
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LOL
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3/26/2003
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Chips
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3/31/2003
07:56:41
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To All Mopar moter heads, I am looking for a chip or a programmer for my 02 dakota does any one have any good experiences with any prticular brands??????? please let me know
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Joe
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3/31/2003
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if u want the true test of which engine is better, go back to '98 when they made the grand cherokee 5.9 limited. it went 0-60 in 6.8 seconds from motor trend. a few months later, motor trend tested the new grand cherokee 4.7 and it did 0-60 in 7.2 seconds. now who is the winner? by the way, even the new outlander with the 4.7HO went 0-60 in 6.9 seconds. so its clear that the 5.9 is still the top engine but not by too much.
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Joe
Dodge Dakota
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3/31/2003
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0-60 time is not an accurate way to determine power, especially when the difference is .4 of a second. There are many factors that can make a 0-60 time off, and the times are not consistant at all. Take it to a .25 mile track, and thats a different story. According to Mopar Now, the 4.7.....
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bsod
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6/18/2003
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Ok, facts that stand to this day. There is no replacement for displacement. And Automatic transmissions (altho may not be known to all) Make faster 1/4 times because of instantanius shifting (no delay between gear engagements).
As for Stock VS Stock contests. All factory vehicles downtune to pass smog, and US standards to make them street safe vehicles. If both engine were tuned for a performance setting, im sure the 5.9 would in the end run a faster quarter simply because of the larger displacement, automatic tranny, and higher gear ratio in the rear.
As for 4.7 and 5.9 pride, Id epersonally rather have a 5.9 under the hood for gloating rights. But why are you all complaining about 1/4 times and 0-60? You drive a TRUCK, drive it like a truck. Let it get dirty, do dirt track quarter's if u have to but dont let a great truck go to waiste.
And if your rolling on 20's, your still not cool, you have to roll 24's now to be cool.
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JEREMY MILLER
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6/19/2003
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I HAVE A 2003 RED C/C R/T POWER EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN,I WENT TO CAPITAL RACEWAY IN MARYLAND AND MADE 2 PASSES,I WAS A FIRST TIMER BUT READ UP ALOT.THE FIRST PASS WAS A 15.78 WITH THE DARN WINDOWS DOWN(IM A LOSER I KNOW)IT WAS ABOUT 50 DEGREES THAT DAY,I THEN REMOVED THE SPARE TIRE AND TAILGATE(I HAVE A STOCK BED COVER)AND THE GAUGE UP TOP SAID 0 MILES TO EMPTY,SO I ROLLED THE WINDOWS UP,BURNED OUT FOR 10 SECONDS OR A LITTLE MORE,BACKED UP,DRYHOPPED,STAGED AT 1500 RPM'S AND HAD A GREAT LAUNCH,THAT PASS WAS A 15.19 I WAS SO HAPPY I GRABBED MY TIME TICKET HEADED MOME SMILING THE WHOLE WAY***NOT TOO SHABBY FOR THE ONLY MOD BEING A K&N FILTER...
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Dakdoc
Dodge Dakota
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6/19/2003
23:01:45
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Yeah, but doesn't a 93 Reg cab Dakota blow both trucks doors off?
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