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Scott
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6/19/2002
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I was hoping to order a new RT in a couple of months. I was reading some of the archives and ran across this post. Some of it was very funny but it got me thinking a little bit. Are many of these guys still on the forum? I recognize Hersbird and Dunner from some other threads. I read the whole argument from the very beginning but the question wasn't answered very well. I know what these guys said but I think there is a new batch of people on here now. Which one is really the fastest?
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DakGuy
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6/19/2002
08:54:55
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It's not really a valid comparison because one is auto and the other is a stick. I haven't had an R/T (stock or modified) hang with me yet in a strait line drag. If I tried to race on on a road course with turns and such I wouldn't have a chance because the suspension is so much better on the R/T. It all depends on what you want and what you are willing to spend, I love my truck and so do the guys that have R/Ts. The trucks like mine are running 14.9-14.8 stock, but there have been R/T that went faster than that stockfrom what I hear.
4.7L, RC, 5spd.HD, 3.92 Anti-Spin
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Duner
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6/19/2002
09:34:40
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Jeeze, this thread just never goes away! I was typing some extra long-winded stuff back then. Although I did see that I was talking about putting a turbo on the truck and nobody even noticed. Prolly cause I typed so much that people got tired of reading all the crap! hahaha
Scott - It sounds like you want an R/T so I'm not gonna be the one to try and talk you out of it.... they're great trucks. The which one is faster argument will prolly continue for years to come so there's nothing I would be able to say that would settle anything. Just go buy one!
Also - no flame intended but it's Duner (with a single "N" in it) :>)
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Wesley
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6/19/2002
14:48:32
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Which one is faster?
How much do you want to spend?
That is all it boils down to, whoever has the most money to spend on the truck to make it faster.
Wesley
'01 Silver CC R/T
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2k4x45.9er
Dodge Dakota
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6/19/2002
17:58:01
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if money was no object and you had a choice between the two and you went with a less nifty 4.7er it would say alot about you... 4.7ers tend to be over 50 with little or no realization of what they are missing out on and are only looking for a work truck that gets them from a to b ...
on the other hand the big cube 5.9er crowed are younger and appreciate the sights and sounds of the big 360
just ask any dakota dealer...
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Duner
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6/19/2002
18:26:34
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2k4x45.9er - Are you sure you don't go by any other names?
Like maybe Harlow Wilcox or Torquemonster?
less nifty? hahaha
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2k4x45.9er
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6/19/2002
18:52:49
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heheh well who ever they are they sure have good taste and know there business
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Waltherone
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6/19/2002
19:13:52
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Bah, I drive 70 miles round trip to school, plus normal driving, I can afford to buy a 5.9 but the gas would keep me broke no matter WHAT the hell I did with the engine. If I can make a 4.7L even close in comparison to a 5.9, that'll be a job well done for me. And I'm 19 so I'm not an old man who needs a race truck, I'm a youngin gettin ready for audio competition :p
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Hersbird
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6/20/2002
01:07:56
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Hey if you don't want that name Duner I'll take it! Maybe when that twin turbo is done and I win the lottery I'll use "Dunner". You can be "Duner", I'll be "Dunner", and whoever gets their supercharged, storker, with N2O going good can be "Dunnest"!
I still stand buy stock to stock they are too close to really call, but if you want to strip down the options you end up with a lot of mod money if you get a basic sport with the 4.7. Bang for the buck stock is on the 4.7, but to beat Lightnings it's probably less expensive to start with the 5.9... Unless you have some "life debt" with Gale Banks' grandfather and he hooks you up with a custom turbo like some of the 4.7 guys around here, LOL!
Hey here's my latest example of how torque rules: the latest test of the new Mercury Marauder put it at a mid 15 second performer. It's weight is similar to a light CC or heavy RC Dakota, it has better traction with better weight distribution, and better aerodynamics, and it has over 300 HP. So why is it slower then a CC R/T with amost everything else equal except and extra 50 HP? Well one, Ford is probably less conservative on their HP numbers then Dodge is, and two the Merc has 35 ft-lbs less torque (it also is running higher gears, but that is pretty much off set with a shorter tire.) I have no doubt if Ford or Chevy were making the R/T motor they would advertise it at about 270 HP.
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Jed
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6/20/2002
02:10:39
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All you 4.7 owners... your stock trucks will never beat a stock 5.9. I don't care if you have a 5 speed, it's probably better if you have a auto. A manual transmission will never beat a auto off the line. The only advantage you guys have is at top speed, but at 115-120 miles who cares, you can't even get up to that speed in the 1/4 mile anyways. And I don't care about sides here. All these wannabe R/T's driving around, the amount of money you dropped into exhaust and cold air intakes Blah Blah Blah you could of bought a R/T and still covered the difference in gas for years. Keep on dreaming 3.9's & 4.7's you should of bought a real truck right from the beginning. If you wanted something aggressive and fast, it's a special order it's the 5.9 R/T.
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DakGuy
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6/20/2002
08:01:45
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I give up this is a waste of time
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4.7RC
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6/20/2002
13:04:04
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JED? (rolling eyes and trying not to laugh too hard)
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Duner
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6/20/2002
18:14:48
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Drugs?
A stock 4.7 will never beat a stock 5.9? WTF???? I'm not sure what you're smokin' but you better pass it off to one of your buddies - I think you've had too much already!
Previously all of the 5.9 guys were complaining because the short 1st gear gave the 4.7s an advantage by producing much better 60' times and launching harder. Now you're saying that it doesn't work that way and that the 4.7s have a much better top end. Well which is it? Have you ever been to a racetrack? Have you ever raced a 4.7? Have you ever seen a 4.7? Have you ever driven one? Do you comprehend any of the previous 3 pages of this thread? Is anybody home? How many fingers am I holding up? Put the bong down and take 3 steps back! Youneed some oxygen man!
Blanket statements by uninformed people are what makes the internet so interesting.....
Some people call them d u m b-f u c k s, but I just call them uninformed.
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Waltherone
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6/20/2002
19:25:56
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Lmao, yeah you could buy an R/T and cover the gas for years, OR, with that EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, just as you said, we could get a 4.7 and make it faster than an R/T, AND have better mileage. So think about the option there. Spend X amount on a 5.9 plus the gas for it for years
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Spend X-y (y being cost of mods on the 4.7 to make it as fast an R/T) and get an 4.7L, spend that -y on mods thus getting you to the same price as an R/T, as well as the same acceleration, BUT, have considerably better mileage thus saving you money in the long run.
Sure you can argue that an R/T is better stock, but in the LONG RUN, a 4.7 is gonna leave you with more money left over for mods (unless you have a very high budget, but I sure don't--if you do it's great, go spend your money on what you want..)
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Hersbird
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6/20/2002
19:35:09
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Whats so bad about a R/T's gas mileage? I have no idea what I'm getting (maybe 12?), but I know I drive mostly stop and go around town and I only have to fill up about once a month! Gotta love that fact I only live 2.5 miles from work! With my annual mileage it would take a LONG time to even save enough for a K&N. The R/T is actaully getting about the same mileage as my old 4.0 Jeep got with the same commute, the 5.9 just doesn't have to work at all compared to the Jeep. Some people would try and give me crap and say ride a bike to work. Screw that, I walk about 8 miles a day at work, so I drive even if I'm just going from the regular Walmart, to the garden center at the same Walmart!
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