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Travis
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5/05/2008
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Has anyone reasearched this or tried one. You can find them all over the internet. Even videos on Youtube. Wondering if anyone here has seen an increase in mileage in a Dak.
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Bob Lincoln
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5/07/2008
09:20:34
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Why not piss away your money on crap, and report back to us if it works? That way, we're not out any money. 8)
SCAM.
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Travis
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5/07/2008
11:45:42
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Hey Bob, remember this quote?
"From my engineering text" So if you have any kind of physics background you would know that the theory works! jack a$$. I guess you have all the money in the world since you do not need to save money on gas with todays rising prices and the economy. Although, you can not even pay to be a member of this site. Cheap?
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Travis
GenIII
5/07/2008
11:56:40
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Another BOB quote. Seems your quite the talker on this site.
"You fail history as well as physics." Refering to HP and Torque.
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Travis
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5/07/2008
12:02:29
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And BOB again,
"But hey, knock yourself out and spend more money in our economy."
Are you just full of it Bob?
Thanks for all your advice!
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TexasTodd
Dodge Dakota
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5/07/2008
22:22:31
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Shut Up Retard
Todd Bouton (713) 436-3177 3211 Southdown Dr,Pearland, TX 77584
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ky_man
Dodge Dakota
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5/08/2008
02:48:28
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I have actually done quite the amount of research and planning
for this. In order for it to work "correctly" you have to get an
EFIE to connect to your front O2 sensor. If you don't have one,
the hydrogen generator will actually do the opposite you want it
to do. The trucks computer will see more oxygen coming
through the tail pipe and less gas emissions, in this case, the
truck will then pump MORE gas into the engine because it thinks
the O2 sensor is going bad. So, as long as it's done right, I
haven't heard and or seen any reason to not try it. Just be safe
and make a bubbler and a vaporizer! You don't want a backfire
(even though I haven't even had a backfire in the time I have
driven the truck) to go and explode the cell in the engine
compartment.
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hophead
Dodge Dakota
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5/19/2008
02:14:30
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doesnt this plug inline behind the flux capacitor???
and i thought i was high......
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BMac
Dodge Dakota
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5/24/2008
09:58:00
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You know, I've tried a lot of that higher mpg stuff getting 22mpg on the hwy in my 98 Dak Sport CC and the computer seems to reset itself back to the original 18mpg. I did the EFIE thing, got 23 buzzing around town. The next day it was back to about 14.
Got a new MSD coil, got 23 going to work. The next day was back down to 18! I put a 3" single with Magna cat and no difference in mpg. I even did the aerodynamics thing with an aero cap I designed. Saw 22mpg at 70mph but not for long. Also saw 26mpg at 60, but not for long, it's back down to 21 at a steady speed watching the overhead console.
I built a few H2 generators but they aren't producing enough H2 being 2.5" x 8" long so I'm going to build a bigger one. The first one draws 10 amps but it takes a few seconds to make enough to burn.
If it works in the 98 Dak great, if not, it's going in the 95 Dak I converted to carb so I can adjust the fuel mixture and see some results.
If you make one, put in a pulse generator so it takes less power to make more H2.
Experiment with it but don't blow yourself up.
Don't use baking soda even though it works, it produces Co1 and can kill you without warning. Potassium Hydrate is recommended. Go to Hydrogen Garage . com.
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TexasTodd
Dodge Dakota
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5/24/2008
14:10:17
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Just more snake oil like scamsoil. Why don't you people quit spreading this stupid stuff.
If you have a problem.
Todd Bouton (713) 436-3177 3211 Southdown Dr,Pearland, TX 77584
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Kendall
Dodge Dakota
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5/24/2008
18:45:24
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For BMac.
Our engine computers measure Manifold Pressure (MAP), not Air Flow (MAF), for engine management. MAP engines resist those types of mods, and many times will revert to "baseline" over time. That's why you experienced what you did with your mods. MAF engines are much easier to mod for HP/TQ/MPG improvements.
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hey
Dodge Dakota
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5/24/2008
19:07:43
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dont you guys put down Bob Lincoln!
i mean this guy knows his sh!t man!
check the V6 board
when someone is having O2 trouble
bob says we are all full of it!
no need to replace O2 sensors
he gets 170,000 miles on his!!!!
DAM
cant wait to see him walk on water
so will we see Bob Lincoln in 2012 ?????
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ES
Dodge Dakota
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7/31/2008
14:27:35
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I had built one for my dakota i had mixed results.
My mileage went up but nothing impressive.
The one i had built was sucking up 30 amps and sounded like alkaseltzer on steriods. I used a little 12 volt computer fan to add slight pressure to blow it into the intake just past the air filter.
The reason i went away from it was cause the process of electrolisis corrodes the rods inside the hydrogen generator quickly. Atleast once a week i was replaceing rods i had used 316 Stainless steel attached to to metal disks and it would corrode them into dust within a week. The cost/time was just to high in its upkeep to justify the boost to mpg.
A friend had bult one with lead plates an connected it to a wind mill to produce hydrogen but the same issue plagued him was the cell would degrade to quickly to make it a good suplimental fuel. I think his problem was more due to the catched rain water he was using causing problems cause when taken apart it appeared to still be intact but just with lots of mineral build up on the plates.
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BMac
Dodge Dakota
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7/31/2008
15:51:45
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Kendall, I think you're correct. I have a MAP rheostat (5k pot) on my Dak now and it even wasn't showing me what I expected. Then someone piped up on MPG Research and said that that mod should be reset when you start the engine, then set to what you want to lean it out. This is because the ecu first measures the atmoshere pressure the adjusts accordingly. It is after that that you make the adjustment.
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super bee
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8/03/2008
11:35:52
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ever think of trying a tungsten rod?
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or
Dodge Dakota
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8/03/2008
12:26:21
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or you can try the Johnson Rod like sts does
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runnerrough
Dodge Dakota
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1/11/2009
01:11:23
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yea this post is old and i got tired of reading through some of the bs cuz alot of it seemed to be bickering bac and forth between a bunch of people who apparntly have mommy troubles or somthing
but anyway i have a good amount of engineering aptitued and such and have had the idea since elementry school
hydrogen booster H2O+ electrolisis= 4H O2 ok simple sh!t right now lets forgit that we are running it with gas (C8H18) and just runn through the reaction every time you see fire it is almost always as a reaction of nothing more than a couple hydrogen molicules burning with a oxegen molicule same goes for this when you seperate the water into its basics lets go back with our products of the electolisis 4H+O2+catalist (spark) = 2H2O got me have 2 mols hydrogen and 2 mols oxegen perfect reaction nothing left but pure water
now how do we do this with out spending 500 bucks on a book all you have to do is get a sturdy container (a mayonase jar or like wont hold up to the vacume of the intake) have either 2 coiled wires or if you have tons of time on your hands you could always make plates simular to that of a car battery they must be stainless steel or you wont git the chem reaction you want copper you will get copper oxide instead of oxegen and same goes for regular steel wire you will git iron oxide (rust) but any way make sure you git them leads on them right (alternating plates)+-+- etc... fill with water and just a little battery acid makes the hydrogen bonds weaker (excess of H) and put some 12 volt to them and wahla the hydorgen will start forming gas bubbles on the neg leads and the ox will form larger gas bubbles on the positive leads you seal this mechanism up and have tubes running from it to a check valve and then a Y splitter then one to your intake manifold and one to ur Throttle body (above the butterfly valves) the high rpm (more positive vacume in the manifold) will suck the O and H gasses throgh the upper tube and the lower rpm cruise will suck through the neg vacume in the intake manifold because our trucks are run by computers they will know that they dont need as much fuel to runn power they running they will slow the fuel consumption. and the O2 sensors wont pick up anything due to the fact they could give a sh!t less if water goes trough as water comes out constanty any way from the reaction of the gas with the air makes plenty of water. and yet im not gonna explain that reaction u figure it out just make sure its ballanced on both sides lol
but any way i not only have the scientific proof above but have also tryed it out for myself when i was a poor college kid i was running on fumes started drivein with the gas light on drove over 60 miles with out running out of gas but i am sad to report that by the end that poor mayo jar had seen better days lol
and what ever you do dont judge me on my spelling im actually pretty smart when it comes to this kinda sh!t and dont let people call you a dumba$$ for asking a question like this one expeally when it sounds plausable enough
i just gave you 100 dollars worth of info these kits depending on the ones will probaly have a little more research in them with little gizmoes that can optimize the reactions and make it so you can easaly hook the thing up to the ignition switch and such and other such things but anyway if ya wanna be cheap just kinda experiment with it for instance my prototype had a hard tube going down to the botom of the electolisis chamber so that the vacume can suck in outside air to aid the removal of the active reagents from the electrodes so to speak good luck and if ya have any questions let me know on here later and hope you figure it out
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Kowalski
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1/11/2009
08:53:32
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Thanks for being open to take questions on this, I have a couple. Having a decent science background myself (college level chemistry and physics, majored in science) I'd like to hear more about your scientific proof. For example, I can drive my truck for 60 miles with the gas light on without a hydrogen generator, so I hope your scientific proof includes a more in depth analysis than that.
So for the first question - exactly how does the computer know that the extra fuel is being added ? It seems to me that a mass air flow sensor won't know what gases are flowing by it; and the same with a map system (manifold absolute pressure).
And for the second question - since it takes energy to create the gas (in the form of electricity generated), why wouldn't that negate the benefit ? I think most chemical reactions use or release about the same amount of energy in either direction (law of conservation of energy). Thus it takes energy to make this energy. But an internal combustion engine is not a very efficient device, with much of the energy dumped unused in the form of thermal energy (mostly by the radiator). And drawing more power from the alternator to power this will draw more power from the motor.
I await real scientific proof, as what you refer to as scientific proof above would not meet the definition of scientific proof that scientists use. So please clarify these points, if you can.
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runnerrough
Dodge Dakota
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1/11/2009
22:55:17
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kowalski or what ever ur name is i have nothing to prove to you or anybody else if you i have given free info that i have gladly given for free i took college level chem too engineering major now you can take you lib arts (science major) and shove it strait up ur a$$ i got 10 to the gallon consistanly maybe 12 if i was lucky and my fuel light comes on after it dips halfway between the E mark and the 1/4 mark so on a 22 gal tank how much is that that is hmm what is 1/8 of 22 is 2.75 gallons of fuel that should have gotten me about maybe 30 miles or so if my truck was doin good that day now y dont you go out take ur snow plow plow out some neibors drives and make some freinds so you arnt on here all the time insulting people all the time yea ive seen ur work before go choke on it
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Kowalski
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1/12/2009
09:25:27
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Wow ! Talk about people with "mommy troubles".
Let me help you with the gas tank part. The gauge is not as accurate as you think, and they made it that way on purpose. You have more than an eighth of a tank left when it reads 1/8, so people won't let it get too low. Some fuel is desired in the tank to cool the fuel pump. Someone looking for real scientific proof would have figured that out. Have a nice day.
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Dan M
Dodge Dakota
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1/12/2009
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I have a buddy installing one in a car. When he's done, I'll post all of the info (car make/model, pre installation mpg, etc).
- Dan M
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