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run her ruff
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2/06/2008
21:39:38
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a few weeks ago i instald a kind of hommade water injection system
all it is is 2 half gallon plastic jars filled with baking soda and distilled water so that it mainly sucks air i hosed it into my engine using vinyl hosing and break vacume check valves and a splitter running into my intake manifold and also one directly into my trottle body
shorltly after instaling driving home from lexington i knowticed my lowend was much greater i got to the point where to maintain a constaint speed up a hill i had to floor my "go petal" and afterward i had trouble staying at a legal speed i could go from 60 mph to 85mph in around a half second
just thought i would share this info any questions just ask
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OBIO3
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2/06/2008
22:10:42
| RE: water inject on a +200,000 5.2
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half a second is a bit much lol but anyway looks like you rediscovered the age old way to clean out all the carbon built up in your engine over 200,000 miles. your engine most likely is running as it did after break in was achieved when new. no idea why the baking soda . mix alcohol to keep from freezing in cold areas.
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run her ruff
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2/07/2008
00:39:02
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ahh but it was actualy an experiment dealin with hydrogen it makes the water conduckt electricity
but i think it worked out as one hell of a cleaning agent
call me crazy on the whole hydrogen thing
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run her ruff
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2/07/2008
00:42:17
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that is the baking soda conducts electricity and ended up as a cleaning agent* sorry
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Kowalski
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2/07/2008
08:35:28
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Okay - You're crazy about the whole hydrogen thing. Acids tend to donate hydrogen ions; while bases tend to accept them. Baking soda (NaHCO3) tends to act like a base, with the HCO3 portion tending to combine with any available hydrogen ions to form H2CO3. Thus taking any available hydrogen ions away, rather than contributing any. The water injection is a great way to dissolve carbon deposits though; as OBIO3 has pointed out.
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run her ruff
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2/07/2008
11:04:50
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dont worry kowalski i already know
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2/07/2008
11:11:43
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but it did work on the first try for sure took a lighter to it before i instaled it on my truck and compleatly blew one of the bottles up
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Kowalski
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2/08/2008
08:31:01
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I'm not worried; but maybe you should be. This is called an internal combustion engine, not an internal explosion engine. The flame front in the combustion chamber is supposed to spread at a rate that pushes against the piston - not hammer at it like an explosion. That would be like detonation, with disasterous results for your motor. Luckily for you, your experiment didn't work.
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run her ruff
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2/08/2008
14:29:05
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what do you think an expolsion is with all due respect all an explosion is is burning inside an enclosed space gas out of an engine burns where it explodes in side and engine just like hydrogen burns (like a torch) outside an engine and yea it will explode in a engine
if ole boy is running nos through a stock engine
im pretty sure my cast iron block can hold up to hydrogen
by the way when engines were first invented was before gas was refined and it ran off of hydrogen and Oxegen for i think the first 7 years
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hey goofy
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2/08/2008
15:22:00
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internal combustion engine...
the rate of burn is CONTROLED by:
ignition timing, compression ratio, fuel octane etc.
too much detonation or pre-ignition will damage engine components, eroding piston crowns and spark plus tips, even excessive piston side skirt wear.
if it were an 'EXPLOSION' as in an uncontrolled burn, engine parts would desintegrate!
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Kowalski
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2/08/2008
15:27:00
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That "explosion" is regulated in the engine, and there is a whole science around that involving quench area, octane, compression, etc. This is so it acts as a strong push against the piston; rather than a sudden explosion.
Sounds like you don't really understand what goes on with nitrous oxide. Max power is made when all the oxygen in the combustion chamber is used. Nitrous oxide isn't adding an explosive gas to the mix. It is providing a source of more oxygen, so more fuel can now be added; burnt with that extra oxygen to make more power. The travel of the fuel flame front is still regulated to avoid detonation.
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Tnjones
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2/08/2008
19:19:27
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Water injection is VERY old technology and absolutely works. It was used like NOS on WWI and WWII fighter planes! The water enters a hot cylinder and expands very rapidly as steam. Not too good for the engine, but it absolutly does work. Dad was a engine mechanic in Korea where he still had to maintain some of the old WWII technology. Steam is very corrosive, so it's not the best way to get that temporary boost. The technology was replaced with less damaging systems like NOS.
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dakota49
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2/10/2008
19:18:17
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I thought water injection was used to help control detonation, not to gain power. I used a home made water injection system once on a 66 Buick with a V6 and I advanced the timing so it would ping under ful throttle, then I would push my button to turn on the windshield washer pump and pump water into the carb. It worked but it didn't actually feel like it any more power.
Dakota49
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