its API certified stan/shatto is high

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he's back on the Crack Pipe!

before one posts a lie he should be more careful

and please NOTE that using a non API certified oil
WILL VOID a warranty !!!!!!! Such as AMSOIL !

this stan fella is a complete liar and a total moron

"Royal Purple’s motor oils are API certified and will not void new vehicle warranties. "

http://www.royalpurple.com/motor-oil.html

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12/24/2007
16:02:28

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that can be backed up.... wasnt due to oil but my neighbor used royal purple in all his vehicles but anyway his brand new truck he had for about a month lost oil pressure due to the shaft that drives the pump off the cam had broke due to the pump failure... a peice of the gear broke off and it had jammed up the pump and the cam twisted the shaft... took it back to dealer they did an oil sample and test... his truck was fixed and back to him in a week at no charge

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12/24/2007
23:10:38

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crack is wack

The amsoil guy that was a site sponsor here for many
years left due to the childish behavior of a few.

He can be found here on a dodge truck site
that does not allow childish behavior:

http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=105

WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED THAN DODGE's APPROVAL

Amsoil is Approved for Dakotas and other Dodge vehicles:

DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW CARRY AMSOIL

here is the thread on this forum:

https://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/16998.html

I LEARNED THE TRUTH ABOUT API

All vehicle manufacturers in the U.S. have agreed that a warranty cannot be denied because a customer was using any particular brand of oil that meets specifications, unless an engine failure was directly attributable to the fluid. If it is not a fluid related failure, they cannot void the warranty. The law supports this position.

I too was sceptical in the beginning.
But now I am a believer.

Amsoil meets and exceeds API specs.

USE AMSOIL WITH CONFIDENCE!!!!!

Dan M
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12/27/2007
10:26:39

SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE!
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- Dan M

applaud
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12/27/2007
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Dan I applaud you!
I think there has been numerous posts proving how full of crap this guy is. Your post on the V6 board is right on the money and straight to the point!
a big thanks

PUKE
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12/27/2007
18:11:46

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Dan you make me wanna puke.
Your head is buried in the sand.
Engines have changed and oils have changed.
Synthetic's are proven to outperform crude oil.
Only someone who does not read and educate
themselves would still use regular oil and
change it every 3k miles. Al Gore would think
you are an idiot for wasting oil.

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12/27/2007
19:52:32

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after reading the below information
2 people have turned away from scamsoil this week alone!
we can bring the posts back up to prove it!
your scamsoil guy keeps flooding the board to burry the posts as usual

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read your owners manual

your warranty can and will be void for not following the car/truck makers oils guidlines
if it says use API certified oils then hey guess what?

and if it says oil changes done no longer then 7500 miles then hey guess what?

Not matter what the oil maker claims!
and infact! if you check scamsoils own written guidlines! they say 25,000 miles or longer but yet
READ GOOD! they also tell you to follow the auto/truck makers guidelines!

why? EASY! cause when the dealer denies your warranty claim an you then go to scamsoil
they can Stand their arms crossed and shake their heads NO!!!!!
cause hey they have it in writting too!

i swear you guys buy into this scamsoil crap like you was lemmings following him through a raging river!

they "the auto/truck maker" WILL NOT and DO NOT have to approve any warranty claims!
IF you DO NOT follow what is required for oil!
you were given everything in writing!

more proof needed? just ask

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they have been misleading people for years!

From http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm:

"API Certification, Phosphorus & ZDDP
Never use a non-API certified synthetic oil (there are many of these on the market). The problem with the non-API certified synthetics is that they contain too much phosphorus (in the form of the additive ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithiophosphates)). The API has limited the amount of phosphorus because phosphorus shortens the life of the catalytic converter. These oils are fine for snowmobiles, motorcycles, and older cars that don't have a catalytic converter, and the extra ZDDP does provide additional wear protection. Unfortunately, the marketers of some the non-certified oils do not explicitly and honestly state the reason for the lack of API certification. You can check the status of API certification on the API web site. Be certain to go not just by the manufacturer name but by the actual product as well. This is because a manufacturer will sometimes have both certified and non-certified products. Suffice it to say that Mobil 1, Royal Purple, Castrol, & Havoline all make synthetic oils that are API certified and that can be purchased at auto parts stores and other retail outlets. Amsoil has one product line, XL-7500 that is API certified, but it's other lines contain too much ZDDP to be certified and should not be used in vehicles with catalytic converters. "

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do some reading people
open your owners manual

"we are unaware of any automobile manufacturer in the United States that currently recognizes using any synthetic oil beyond the recommended oil change intervals outlined in their owner's manual."

http://performanceplusoil.com/myths.php

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"
Question:
Response to Amsoil Competitive Claims
What is your position/response to the 4 ball wear test Amsoil states on their website? Do you agree with the test results or are there other test results you could point me to. Thanks
-- Todd Blake, Andover, MN

Answer:
The 4-ball wear test is a test designed to evaluate the performance of a gear oil. The 4-ball wear test is not included as a part of any industry-wide recognized engine oil specifications (e.g. ILSAC GF-4, API SM, or ACEA specifications). ExxonMobil does not regard this test as a useful indicator of engine"

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Response_Amsoil_Claims.aspx

Fast Freddie
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12/28/2007
09:01:51

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hey flamer.

You should do your homework before you copy/paste.

I had nothing better to do than look at all your
info/sites listed in your LAME attempt to flame amsoil.
I was a Dodge mechanic for 20 yrs (certified) but
gave it up because I was becoming alergic to to all
the fumes and petroleum products.

here is what i found:

1 - Mobil1 is Group3 dino juice and not really a
synthetic oil. (Amsoil is PAO G4 synthetic)

2 - API means nothing. It is in place for the
gov't to make $ and make make people comfortable
that an oil meets a minimum standard if they see
it on an "el cheapo" garage shelf at 99 cents/qt

3 - www.nordicgroup.us

The Nordic Group link. that site has not
been updated since 2002. A lot will happen in
5 years so don't quote outdated info.

ZDDP

I was a mechanic at the time. Every customer
that came in had read similar info. They all
wanted oil with low zddp to save their $1,000
cat converter.

Again, the gov't had released a false document.
The truth was the cat's were made from weak
components and it was not the zddp.

Plus, like all gov't studies, the fine print
said the cat "might" fail when the odom got to
over 200,000 miles. they never really tested
a cat. just the material inside the cat.

That reminds me of the gov't saccharine scare.
Remember the "mouse" scare? If a mouse ate in
one day what a consumer ate in 25 lifetimes,
he might develop cancer. ha ha . Don't ya love
those gov't tests!

They are all B.S. gov't tests just like API.

4 - www.performanceplusoil.com

Performance Plus Oil is a Quaker State owned
quickie lube still telling everyone to change
their oil at 3k mile intervals. Their only
interest is in getting you back every 3k miles
for another oil change (and whatever else they
can upsell). Of course they are going to say
bad things about any oil that advertises more
than 3k mile oil changes. It is QS owned.

Shall I continue or have you now learned that
you should do your homework before you copy/paste.

See ya,

Fast Freddie

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12/28/2007
11:21:04

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None of the Redline Oils are API certified.

......... zero! .... zilch! ..... NADA!

NO Redline oils are API certified.
Some RP is NOT API certified.
Some Mobil1 is not API certified either.

(and ALL of M1's oils are fake group 3 synthetic)

This presents a problem to us Dakota Owners.

Which topline synthetic oil should a Dodge Dakota owner use?

Well ....... DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW CARRY AMSOIL

So, Use AMSOIL instead of REDLINE or RP in your Dakotas!

PROOF POSITIVE AMSOIL IS SAFE TO USE IN YOUR DAKOTA

Amsoil is Approved for Dakotas and other Dodge vehicles:

DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW CARRY AMSOIL

here is the thread on this forum:

https://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/16998.html

M1
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12/28/2007
11:49:17

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ALL our oils (except race series oil)
IS API certified! & warranty Approved!

SCAMSOIL ISN'T

now watch them Lie - watch them cry !
Then they will run and Hide !

http://www.amsoil.com/articlespr/article_xl7500.aspx

Q: AMSOIL will be using a different formula for its XL-7500 Motor Oils. Why did AMSOIL change the formula?

A: Our XL-7500 oils are the oils of choice in the retail oil change market, and primarily because of warranty concerns the customers in this market require API-certified oils. In order to obtain API SL/ILSAC GF-3 certification and still remain cost-competitive with the other oils sold at retail oil change outlets, we had to change to Group III basestocks. To obtain API certification with our top tier basestocks would have priced our Dealers out of the market.

Gee kinda funny when steve put everyone down for using M1 cause in his owrds "its group 3 not real syn"

but when amsoil is group 3 it somehow becomes "True Syn Oil" LOL

Mobil Corp
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12/28/2007
14:21:24

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Some of our Mobil1 oils are NOT API.

API is a minimum gov't rating and we don't care.
Plus some of our oils have too much ZDDP to qualify.

Redline doesn't care either.
None of their oils are API.
They use a lot of ZDDP too.

ZDDP is an antiwear additive in almost every synthetic oil. ZDDP is phosphorus. For products that meet the new ILSAC GF-4 specification the phosphorus levels for the oil must be less than 800 ppm phosphorus. (Many of our Mobil1 oils are over 1000 ppm and are not API cert.)

The alternative is MOLY (like graphite) used by Royal Purple.

Now that we have that out of the way ...

We must agree that Amsoil is really the best !!!!

We cheapened our oils by switching all our
base oils to crude oil instead of synthetic oil.

This saved us millions of $$$ and the public
has no clue that we are ripping them off.

Only PAO oils are true synthetics.
Mobil does NOT offer any true PAO synthetic oil.

Our name alone sells the product. Not the quality.
We could put muddy water in the bottle and people
would buy it.

Our only interest is PROFITS and a cheap price
on the Walmart shelfs.

SWITCH TO PAO SYNTHETIC AMSOIL

Amsoil is a Genuine Synthetic PAO Formulated G4 Motor Oil

LOOK HERE:

https://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/ot/4751.html

WHAT MORE INFORMATION DO YOU NEED????

DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW CARRY AMSOIL

here is the thread on this forum:

https://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/16998.html

AMSOIL IS APPROVED BY DODGE FOR YOUR DAKOTA

Thank You!

The Marketing Department
Mobil Corporation

Mobil 1
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12/28/2007
16:47:57

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and WE REPEAT!

"ALL" our oils (except race series oil)
IS API certified! & warranty Approved!

the amsoil scamsman can have all the fun he wants
we can back up our claims
and our oil is factory fill
on more high end cars then any other oil!

SCAMSOIL ISN'T

now watch them Lie - watch them cry !
Then they will run and Hide !

http://www.amsoil.com/articlespr/article_xl7500.aspx

Q: AMSOIL will be using a different formula for its XL-7500 Motor Oils. Why did AMSOIL change the formula?

A: Our XL-7500 oils are the oils of choice in the retail oil change market, and primarily because of warranty concerns the customers in this market require API-certified oils. In order to obtain API SL/ILSAC GF-3 certification and still remain cost-competitive with the other oils sold at retail oil change outlets, we had to change to Group III basestocks. To obtain API certification with our top tier basestocks would have priced our Dealers out of the market.

Gee kinda funny when steve put everyone down for using M1 cause in his owrds "its group 3 not real syn"

but when amsoil is group 3 it somehow becomes "True Syn Oil" LOL

teacher2
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12/28/2007
19:05:53

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Of course Amsoil is the best!

Do you think a major corporation (Mobil) will tell the truth?

Remember the Exxon Valdez ?!?!?!?!?!!?

Amsoil tells the TRUTH and Mobil1 LIES

Re: AMSOIL

Taken from the FAQ section of Amsoil's website:

"AMSOIL has publicly stated that its XL motor oils
are Group III based and its other motor oils
are PAO (Group 4 synthetic) based."

Re: Mobil1

Mobil1 on the other hand:

We cheapened our oils by switching all our
base oils to Group3 crude oil instead of
Group 4 synthetic oil.

THE DIFFERENCE IS ... WE DIDN'T TELL ANYONE

This saved us (Mobil) millions of $$$ and the
public has no clue that we are ripping them off.

Only PAO Group 4 oils are true synthetics.
Mobil does NOT offer any true PAO synthetic oil.

Our name alone sells the product. Not the quality.
We could put muddy water in the bottle and people
would buy it.

Our only interest is PROFITS and a cheap price
on the Walmart shelfs.

SWITCH TO PAO SYNTHETIC AMSOIL

Amsoil is a Genuine Synthetic PAO Formulated G4 Motor Oil

LOOK HERE:

https://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/ot/4751.html

Additional Information:

Some Mobil1 oils are NOT API.

API is a minimum gov't rating and they don't care.
Plus some of their oils have too much ZDDP to qualify.

Redline doesn't care either.
None of their oils are API.
They use a lot of ZDDP too.

ZDDP is an antiwear additive in almost every synthetic oil. ZDDP is phosphorus. For products that meet the new ILSAC GF-4 specification the phosphorus levels for the oil must be less than 800 ppm phosphorus. (Many Mobil1 oils are over 1000 ppm and are not API cert.)

The alternative is MOLY (like graphite) used by Royal Purple.
Do not use an oil with moly in your daily driver.

Fast Freddie
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12/29/2007
09:14:31

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amsoil best anal lube your $$$ can buy &

Live demonstrations might be cum'ing to your area soon!
So be sure to Cum and try it

yes amsoil is the best anal lube you will ever find!
me and steve recomend the 5/30 for better film strength
need instructions or photos just contact me or steve

it's NOT API approved
so it's not for use in engines under warranty

BUTT WAIT!- breaking news !!!

we got API approved !

you can contact the Anal Penetration Institute
and confirm it!

..................... Fast Freddie, Anal Mechanic

Fast Freddie
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12/29/2007
09:15:39