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TexasTodd
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4/14/2007
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Heres the latest from their website.
"Is Mobil 1 with SuperSyn Technology a fully synthetic motor oil?
Yes, it is. To meet the demanding requirements of today's specifications (and our customers' expectations), Mobil 1 with SuperSyn uses high-performance fluids, including polyalphaolefins (PAOs), along with a proprietary system of additives. Each Mobil 1 with SuperSyn viscosity grade uses a unique combination of synthetic fluids and selected additives in order to tailor the viscosity grade to its specific application. "
Is it just mumbo jumbo, or is it fully synthetic, i.e. NO dino oils used?
I've always used it in my Dak since 3000miles old, currently 117,000 miles, no wear probs, no burning oil, etc.
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paraffin
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4/15/2007
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They are not telling but they do put out a good product with a huge R&D budget. A lot of discussion on this over at bobistheoilguy.com forums.
"including polyalphaolefins (PAOs)",heres the sticking point. Including does not equal exclusively. Group III`s,which are legally synthetic,MAY be used in some of their "synthetic" grades. Not a bad thing but GRP III`s are cheaper than higher grade PAO`s and some people are peeved at paying premium prices for a cheaper grp III. Again a GRP III oil is not a bad thing and some argue that they perform better in some aspects that PAO`s. It`s not like Mobil is putting out an inferior product,it will perform as advertised or better. I think they are embarrassed after calling out Castrol years ago and now discovered they can use a GRP III with equal or better performance than a PAO.
Mobil`s 0-40 is considered to be a true PAO synthetic because of it`s specs. One clue to determine if the oil is PAO would be it`s cold temp pour point,a PAO`s pour point is lower than a GRP III. So for example if Mobil's new 5-30 has a higher pour point they MAY have switched to grp III.
For the money you can`t beat Penzoil Platinum IMHO(they don`t hide the fact it`s grp III). It`s on sale at Advance Auto Parts until April 28th I believe,buy one get one free. Half the price of Mobil that may or not be a grp III.
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paraffin
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4/15/2007
12:42:50
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clarification on pour points. As explained above lower is better(example -54 degrees)than higher(example -48 degrees) Could be confusing. Conversely a higher number is better than a lower number;)
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Not yet
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4/16/2007
00:01:11
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You mean more negative is better.
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4/16/2007
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possitively
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paraffin
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4/16/2007
00:36:37
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Sorta like trying to explain gears, lower gears have a higher number...I think??:0)
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moe
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4/16/2007
11:38:08
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absolutely positively
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02dak
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4/16/2007
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"I've always used it in my Dak since 3000miles old, currently 117,000 miles, no wear probs, no burning oil, etc."
Well there you go. Keep using it.
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TexasTodd
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4/17/2007
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02Dak,
I probably will, but I'm also one of those that is peeved for paying premium pices, for any Dino oil. I do believe it IS a good product. I can remember it being around since 1975!
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01Motorsport
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4/19/2007
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My '01 4.7 has 165K. I change the Mobil1 5w30 every 5K, and use NAPA Gold 1085 filter with drain flap. No oil needed between changes...NONE.
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sneilan
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4/20/2007
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i started using Mobile1 on my first oil change to at 51,000 miles. (i bought it with 48k) i change my oil every 3k-3500 miles, only burn a little cuz i'm to lazy to change my intake plenum gasket, and my mpg went up by 1-2mpg. no complaints from me, it's worth the $5 a qt to me, although i certainly wouldn't complain if i found something just as good for less.
Sean
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PETE
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4/20/2007
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USING MOBIL 1 SINCE FIRST OIL CHANGE @ 3000 MILES , TRUCK 02' NOW 70,000 STILL USING NO PROBLEMS !!
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Shoe
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4/20/2007
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I use it and I think that I get better oil pressure out of it. Like it resists the heat a lot better and will not thin out as easy.
'97 RC V6, 5spd, soon to be V8, 5spd!
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Chuck
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4/22/2007
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"USING MOBIL 1 SINCE FIRST OIL CHANGE @ 3000 MILES , TRUCK 02' NOW 70,000 STILL USING NO PROBLEMS !!"
Well at 70,000 miles even the cheapest oil would have no problem. Come on!
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Shoe
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4/23/2007
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Not really, just depends on how hard you are on the motor.
'97 RC V6, 5spd, soon to be V8, 5spd!
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um
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4/23/2007
22:24:41
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With todays oils you would have to be pretty damn hard on your motor (like track or drag strip time)to burn up your oil in 3000 miles.
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Boot
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4/27/2007
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"Not really, just depends on how hard you are on the motor."
I bet you're hard on your motor!!! Ohhhhh.
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check it out
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4/28/2007
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mobil 1 beat out scamsoil in a independent test!
proof amsoil isnt half as good as they say!
now watch the amsoil scam man dance around this one too
http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/oil-life.html
Amsoil was time-limited to 14,000 miles (its year ran out), but it made it the whole way without a replacement filter. It's not a total success story, though, as it had some trouble with its viscosity
5/30 oil when drained only after 14,000 miles
came out like 15/50 !
and this guy says you can run it for 25,000!!!
lmao, right!
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PETE
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4/28/2007
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Chuck only issues I have are mileage but if course my driving habits changed since change of job mostly city driving not much highway unless going on a trip. Truck has been to FLA. 3 times Louisana,Alabama,Indiana,Ohio all from last job and vacationing, So this only trouble I have truck is well maintained byself and same goes for the 91' sport I had for 11 yrs. would be still driving if I did'nt hit a telephone pole at 30 mph f*ck up the frame to bad and truck had over 167,000 trouble free miles othan 1 water pump failure. Sorry to those getting troubles that i see in a lot of posts not trying be a big d!ckhead just a satisfied 2 time dakota ownership and will buy again when 02' wants to rest.
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4/28/2007
18:16:05
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In response to the person (flamer with no facts) who posted about the "neptune.spacebears.com oil study" where a TRUE AMATEUR tested Amsoil against Mobil1.
You offered no techecnical analysis of the information. So what value have you added? None! Zero! Zilch! Nothing!
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USED OIL ANALYSIS (the real value)
You have to understand how to read a USED OIL ANALYSIS (UOA) to make a qualified opinion. PLUS, oil analysis was not developed to pit oils against each other but to determine A PARTICULAR OILS PERFORMANCE ... IN A PARTICULAR ENGINE ... OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. A Used Oil Analysis is a trend analysis "per vehicle" and reports will be different "per vehicle".
You CAN NOT compare across brands or between vehicles. UOA's are not beneficial in determining "which brand of oil is best" ... only helpful for YOUR OWN PERSONAL VEHICLE.
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HOWEVER ... THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!
Thank You - For once again posting a link to that website - allowing me the opportunity to once again comment on a FLAWED AMATEUR TEST.
Since you believe that AMATEUR test has validity, I will continue with my comments so that you can fully understand what you are reading on the website link you provided.
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You are REALLY going to LOVE this, ...
... and YOUR expert analysis would be welcomed.
#1) They are using the wrong Amsoil for that particular engine. As I have said before, not all oils are the same, even from the same company ... different formulations of base oils and additives. That psrticular engine is hard on oil and needs an oil that is more sheer resistant (i.e. Amsoil Series 2000). They used the wrong Amsoil for that Engine (basic SAE 5w-30).
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#2) My initial concern was not the increase in viscosity, but the dramatic fall in Amsoil's TBN #'s.
*** SPECIAL NOTE ***
THE BIG NO-NO (PROVES THEY ARE AMATEUR's)
They cahanged the testing method half way thru the test = PURE Amateur!
*** The flaw is the report is that they CHANGED the TBN testing method ***
Here are some of Mobil1's TBN #'s using both the old meathod and new meathod:
Mobil1's TBN #'s
(old method) _ 7.5 _ 3.0 _ 5.0 _ 5.0 _ 4.0 _ 6.5
(new method) _ 2.5 _ 2.5 _ 2.4 _ 2.4 _ 1.9 _ 3.3
Therefore, it is evident that the new TBN testing meathod is giving a flawed report. Now you can see that Amsoil's low TBN #'s mean nothing ... because when comparing apples to apples, the TBN #'s between the two oils are similar.
For the record: My latest oil analysis (using the same oil) showed my TBN to be 6.5 after 6000 miles/six months of Severe City Driving --- so that is why I question their TBN results. My office associate ran this same Amsoil 5w-30 for 12,000 miles/1 year in his Durango and the TBN was 7.2, ... during the winter months.
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#3) Concerns about oil thickening ...
Amsoil Synthetic Oils will increase in viscocity slightly as the mileage increases -- as with many quality synthetics. To date, Amsoil has thickened from 66.2 to 71.6, and this is an increase of 8% and is well within the 20% +/- viscosity guidelines. Amsoil became a low "40 wt." which does not concern me at all.
THICKENING OIL
All oils will either thicken or thin over time. It is better to have an oil that thickens than thins. Redline thins a lot and some Mobil1 oils thin slightly.
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Do you have any comments beyond simply posting a link with no follow-up discussion?
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WEAR RATES (in this particular AMATEUR TEST)
Look CLOSELY at the test results --- the difference in WEAR RATES between Amsoil and Mobil1 is statistically significant, with Amsoil showing SIGNIFICANTLY LESS valvetrain and piston/cylinder wear. Note the improved protection with regards to piston scuffing, with an Aluminum level of only 2 using Amsoil, vs. an Aluminum level of 5 for Mobil1. Iron levels are also significantly lower with Amsoil vs. Mobil1.
IMHO, Amsoil offers better protection to the valvetrain, pistons, cylinders,bearings, etc.
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Now, why are you always attacking an advertiser who pays to be here so that you can post for free? Then you post links to amateur website tests with none of your own comments to back it up?
Steven
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I ask you ...
Do you have ANY comments beyond simply posting a link with no follow-up discussion?
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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TexasTodd
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4/29/2007
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So, Steve,
Are these new oils that say fully synthetic, really fully synthetic? Valvoline, Walmart brand, etc.?
Is Mobil 1 super syn?
Is royal Purple?
IS Amsoil?
By fully syn, I mean no dino oil.
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