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BlackKotalac
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4/06/2007
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howdy i wanna put some richmond 4.56 gears in my truck i got 9.25 diff. and my truck is an 04. but i know i'm never gonna get traction with only one wheel so i wanna put lsd back there too but not sure on what brand is good for the money and suggestions?
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Kowalski
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4/06/2007
17:09:56
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I'm happy with the Auburn lsd I went with when I switched to 4.10's. More rugged than stock; but there's another brand or two that are supposed to be even stronger - depending on what you want to spend.
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kj
Dodge Dakota
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4/06/2007
19:17:13
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My Auburn has worked well for me too. Why do you want 4.56 gears? All that will do is waste a bunch of gas unless you have HUGE tires on it. Try something like a 3.92 or 4.10 at the deepest.
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BlackKotalac
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4/07/2007
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wasting gas i like the sound of that lol j/k. i am planning on widing my wheel wells on the back in the bed there and getting some wide tires. i noticed that auburn lsd is kinda pricy plus the gears damn i ottda just spider weld my stock rear then i will save myself bunches of money
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shadetree
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4/09/2007
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Actually if you if your going to perform the "lincoln lock" as you describe you will probably end up spending more money. I tried it a few years a go in a my s10 I did a v8 swap in. It worked well for about 3 hours and then it twisted the passenger side axle and actually cracked the carrier where the pin goes through to hold the spider gears. When I fixed it, it was a little over $900 that includes the new the eaton posi unit, new gears, master set up kit, and me doing the work. What I should have done is bought a posi unit off of ebay 200-300 to start with and saved myself some money, but you live you learn. Sometimes you can get by with welding the spiders if the truck is used mainly off road, but I will never reccommend doing it to a truck used on the pavement. It creates way to much stress on the rear end.
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Travis
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4/09/2007
10:51:20
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There is a powertrax no slip locker on ebay for 350 or so, plus all the gears you want for around 150. Not to bad. Anyone have the powertrax? How is it?
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shadetree
Dodge Dakota
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4/09/2007
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I have the old power trax lock right in my 2002 Avalanche and its great if you dont mind the ratching noise it makes around corners. From what I can see the power trax no slip is an improved design and is supposed to eliminate the ratching noise all together. If you get it let us know if this is true.
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Travis
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4/09/2007
14:34:08
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I have 150000 on the truck, so I am going to be getting it in the next month or so, along with new ring and pinion. The old spiders gears are chiped off. Will post how it works.
00,CC,SLT,4.7,Auto,4X4,3" Cat back, 3" PA Lift with 32's
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eric
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4/10/2007
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i just put the auburn lsd and precision gear 4.56's in my truck last week. (i have 33's) I only have the 8.25 tho. It doesn't make any noise on the street besides the tire dragging if your accelerating through a turn. If you roll through the turn it stays open. No noise from the lsd or gears themselves. I had a chance to take it to the desert this past weekend and really liked the traction in the dirt.
Looking back I should have done this years ago.
my truck:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o93/addictiveCompound/truck%20pics/135_8367.jpg
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GraphiteDak
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4/10/2007
01:57:37
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I have the Auburn LSD with my 4.56 gears.
That Auburn actually grabs HARDER than i thought they would being that it's just a bunch of springs with little disks pushing against the spiders to reduce slipage. Mine squeels the tires when you go slow on sharp turns in parking lots.
One time I tried synthetic fluid in it and ever since the Auburn chatters on slow turns. Even with the standard grease back in it... WTF? But they work great. I towed near 8,000 Lbs 3 or 4 times 3 to 4 hours each way no problem.
The Powertrax actually cost MORE MONEY and is just machined teeth you replace your spiders with in your existing carrier housing. Springs push it together. The Powertrax is actually a CRUDE way of doing a locker and only one step above just welding the darn things! LOL!
The only GOOD thing is it is a simple job only needed to pull the axles out enough to install them. The bad thing is IF they ever break neither wheel will turn and you will be stranded!
With an Auburn type, if the middle section fails it will just be an open diff again. With extra fragments rolling around of course, but most likely will get you home. :)
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Super bee
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4/10/2007
10:33:21
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you know graphite, its not often i say this, but stop talking out your @55
i have broke the powertrax that i had in my shltbox twice now, mostly i think due to really crappy oil, and then again because of the oil, i used the same crappy oil and one quart even had slip modifier in it. This time i used some valvoline synthetic and i have really abused it and not broken it. Anyway, both times it broke, once on the driver side and once on the passengers side, i was not "stranded" i just had one wheel drive,so it still worked, just not like it should.
so far on the new one i have had nothing but good luck and praises for it
took it off road yesterday and there were parts i normaly NEEDED 4x4 for, and made it through the entire section in 2WD. It was fantastic. i have even done a few bare blacktop burnouts doing donuts.
it fully locks and unlocks nicley on corners. and runs very quiet. if you give it some gas on the corners you will get some tire spinning on the inside
and crude, it is set up almost like but a little better than a Detroit ez lock
its not crude, crude is a LSD with a spring pack and a clutch disk and adding friction modifier. which also never really fully locks
1990 sport RC SB, 1995 318drivetrain, 3.92 gears (came with truck) Powertrax "traction system", 95 dash/steering wheel, hearthrob exhaust, headers, cutout after y-pipe, necessary electric fan add-a-leafs, 30x9.5 mud tires, cranked T-bars, AR 39 15x8 rims, grill guard, roll bars
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Kowalski
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4/10/2007
16:51:41
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Nothing really crude about a lsd with a spring pack like the Auburn. It's really a rather elegant design - the more the rear tries to slip, the more presure the springs put on it not to. Mine doesn't chatter at all like GD's does for some reason; and the name limited slip certainly implies it doesn't lock - no problem there. Good street manners and great traction off the line. The Auburn is a pretty nice unit.
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Kowalski
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4/10/2007
17:34:43
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I suppose I should clarify that - more pressure from the springs when given more power. That way it is freer when normally cornering.
GD - do you think the reason yours chatters is because of the steeper gearing ? (4.56 vs. 4.10)
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GraphiteDak
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4/10/2007
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Kowalski, I am not sure, but maybe. It did it when I sropped in some 100% synthetic. And continued after I put stadard oil back in it.
Super bee, are we talking about the SAME locker?
I saw the one Rammer installed into his.
You removed the spiders completely.
You then took these two pieces with teeth and some springs and installed it where the spiders were.
It IS loud when it "ratchets" which is really the teeth just jumping when it has to.
I also assumed by the way it worked, that if it broke at all, it would spin the carrier alone. But I guess it could maybe still turn one wheel depending on how it broke. I know some LSD's can break and spin the carrier and not the axles.
It didn't have any mechanism's like I'm seen in REAL lockers. SO it doesn't know when one wheel turns faster than the other, except when you get good traction in a turn the springs allow it to FORCE it's two halves to unhook and turn sperately. That's when Rammer's make sthat LOUD klunk. It is teech jumping. No clutches or anything like that. That's why I said it was one step above lincoln locked.
Like I said, maybe we were talking about two different lockers???
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PECKERHEAD
Dodge Dakota
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4/10/2007
21:18:49
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I TRIED IT ONCE! IT ALL STARTED WITH A TOKE OFF A MARIJUANA JOINT!
THEN A LITTLE SPEED!
THEN A LITTLE COKE AND NOT THE COLA TYPE!
THEN SOM LUDES (714)!
THEN SOME SHROOMS!
AND THEN SOME LSD!
PURPLE MICRODOT,ORANGE SAUCER, WINDOW PAINE & BLUE BARREL!
DID SOME WITH SOME BOYS FROM A SMALL BAND CALLED LYNARD SKYNARD, THEY WERE A BAND FROM DOWN SOUTH !!??
WE WERE ALL TRIPPIN AT A BAR CALLED THE LITTLE BROWN JUG, SOMEWHERE AROUND DENVER!!?
LIFE IS A TRIP....................
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Super bee
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4/11/2007
00:42:01
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Powertrax traction system
mine doesnt make extreme noise, nor does my brothers in his 5.9 2000 with the 9.25
once ina while it ratchets, but not loudly
so what do you guys do when the clutch disk wears out?
1990 sport RC SB, 1995 318drivetrain, 3.92 gears (came with truck) Powertrax "traction system", 95 dash/steering wheel, hearthrob exhaust, headers, cutout after y-pipe, necessary electric fan add-a-leafs, 30x9.5 mud tires, cranked T-bars, AR 39 15x8 rims, grill guard, roll bars
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GraphiteDak
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4/11/2007
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I looked at Powertrax website. Maybe my bro in law bought the crappiest one. But it was about $400
Looking at POSI style with clutch disks, they look like you go absolutely nowhere if them clutches fail!
The Auburn has spiders with pressure plates pushing agaist each side. It just resists them spiders from turning. If it gets weak, it just becomes an open diff.
Maybe some of the PowerTrax models are better than others. I was just conserned about the type my bro in law has. It's pretty brutal when it lets the teeth jump to allow the wheels to turn seperately. People seem to use them for offroading though.
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Super bee
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4/11/2007
01:48:21
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did he get the lock right?
wonder if HTML is enabled?? (nope, will have to copy/paste
http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/4066/brokencopynj4.gif
an exploded view of mine and i have circled what i broke, as i posted in members only ages ago
oh, and the next step UP from a Lincoln lock would be a spool
as i siad, my brother has had ZERO problems with his, and mine broke twice, but the people at powertrax sent me out a new one both times and did so fairly promptly
and even if it breaks when not under warantee, the part i broke both times you can order from summit for $30
1990 sport RC SB, 1995 318drivetrain, 3.92 gears (came with truck) Powertrax "traction system", 95 dash/steering wheel, hearthrob exhaust, headers, cutout after y-pipe, necessary electric fan add-a-leafs, 30x9.5 mud tires, cranked T-bars, AR 39 15x8 rims, grill guard, roll bars
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GraphiteDak
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4/11/2007
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Hmm it looks sort of like it, but I don't remember his having that many parts. I kinda remember it just being two pieces pushed together with springs.
When I looked on Powertrax website last night, I saw what you have and they mentioned the other basic one, but the site doesn't give an exploded view. And I wonder if it's because it's so basic?
I guess them powerTrax are a love em or hate em type of thing. Because on searches it's either ppl saying it works awesome or ppl all saying the same thing about them doing the KLUNK when they turn and they sometimes explode.
My Auburn chatters when I turn slowly. As soon as I go straight it stops tho.
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Travis
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4/12/2007
12:52:31
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I was looking last night at the Auburn LSD. 4 wheel parts sells it for $400.00 for the 8.25, I can get the no slip locker from Powertrax for less brand new also. From what I have read the Powertrax no slip locker is really smooth, no noise and reliable. I am not talking about the Lock Rite, The no slip is what I am looking at.
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wylman
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9/05/2007
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I had old ford trucks with Detroit locking nine inch rearends for years. They all made the "click,click,click bang" noises when cornering. None of them ever broke though!!! I still have at least three of those rearends somewhere in the yard or the garage waiting to be put in something. I myself don't want anything but a detroit style locking unit.
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