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BRAD
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THIS FORUM IS FULL OF HATERS OF ALL TYPES
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.boB
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>> explain this:
if PAO oils are not better than non PAO oils,
then why all the debate about Mobil1 now not
being a PAO oil and switching their formula
to a group 3 oil and not lowering their retail
prices thereby screwing the customers. <<<
Stan hits the nail right on the head. I don't believe M1 is a bad oil. It's just a bad value. Why pay $6 a qt for M1, when I can get the same group III oil from Quaker State for $4.50?
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Stan
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thx bob but i would have said it a little different.
why would anyone pay $6 a qt for group 3 Mobil1,
when they can get a better PAO synthetic oil at
the same price or even a lower price?
Mobil1 screws their customers. that is why they
make $$$billions$$$ (with a "b") in profits
i aggree that Mobil1 is a bad value
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Haters
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Don't you just hate haters ?
Doesn't throwing that label around make you just the same as them ?
I HATE SHOUTING, BRAD !
No need to use all caps...
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N56629
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"Why pay $6 a qt for M1, when I can get the same group III oil from Quaker State for $4.50?"
What idiot pays $6 for M1? WalMart sells a five quart jug for $21.
"if PAO oils are not better than non PAO oils,
then why all the debate about Mobil1 now not
being a PAO oil and switching their formula
to a group 3 oil and not lowering their retail
prices thereby screwing the customers."
Tell me exactly how much it costs to produce group 3. Tell me how much it costs amsoil to produce their PAO products. They've been at it for a long time and should be able to cut the cost and pass it on to the consumer. Apparently they haven't improved their production capabilities over the years.
How much does amsoil get for their group 3 oil. Are they also screwing the customer? They sell it for $6.05/qt. M1 is a hell of a lot cheaper than that.
Don't be pointing fingers at other oil companies when amsoil can't meet the very standards you set.
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Stan
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group 3 is cheap to make. it's refined crude
PAO is not crude oil based and more expensive
i went back and checked my last invoice
i paid $65 for a case of amsoil PAO 5w30
12 qts so that works out to just over $5 qt
i used the $6 price because that is the price .bob
used. i'm not an amsoil rep so don't flame me
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N56629
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"group 3 is cheap to make. it's refined crude "
So why does amsoil rip you off to the tune of $6.05/qt? That's right from their website.
I paid $21 for a 5qt. jug of M1. That's a long way from $6/qt. too. Just because bob tells you to jump off a cliff you don't have to do it. If you know amsoil then stick to it and answer the questions. Besides, you can't blame Bob, you made your own statement, remember.
-------"thx bob but i would have said it a little different.
why would anyone pay $6 a qt for group 3 Mobil1,
when they can get a better PAO synthetic oil at
the same price or even a lower price?"
I'm not a Mobil rep so why flame me and distort what I've said? You may not be an amsoil rep but you evade direct questions like one.
Again, why are not holding amsoil to the same standard that you set for Mobil? Based on your logic amsoil xl is a bigger rip-off than M1.
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Stan
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12/02/2007
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why are you always comparing mobil1 to amsoil?
i am not here to debate mobil1 versus amsoil
i agree and repeat my earlier statement that
"group 3 is cheap to make. it's refined crude"
my point was that it is cheaper to make than PAO based oils
better for the economy because it is liquid natural gas
better for the environment because you can use it longer
this means less new oil needed or used oil thrown away
your amsoil price talk is full retail for 1 qt.
i went and checked my amsoil catalog and XL5w30
can be bought for $51.60 case or $4.35 qt.
even cheaper with quantity discounts
could it be cheaper? maybe.
if they used cheaper additives
or approached somebody like walmart
and sold millions of quarts.
I don't believe massive volume is their goal
i'm not an amsoil rep so don't flame me
i am not evasive
i don't have all the answers
i just have ideas and opinions
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N56629
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"i agree and repeat my earlier statement that
"group 3 is cheap to make. it's refined crude""
Stan, glad to see that you think AMSOIL is ripping people off just like all of the other oil companies. Then again, maybe your assertions are false and it is all about marketing, competition and knowing what the consumer is willing to pay. You don't have anything against our free market system, do you? I'm just assuming that you are American.
"your amsoil price talk is full retail for 1 qt."
Your M1 price talk is full retail. I'm comparing apples to apples and you are comparing apples and oranges. If you want to talk wholesale then you have to find the real wholesale price both oils. You don't buy at wholesale. You buy at a "membership price" just like a Costco member and that is not a true wholesale price. In fact, I can often find things cheaper at regular retailers than I find at Costco and Sam's Club. Like everything else it is a case of buyer beware.
"i went and checked my amsoil catalog and XL5w30
can be bought for $51.60 case or $4.35 qt."
What is the true cost after membership fees and shipping? Remember, compare apples to apples.
"better for the economy because it is liquid natural gas
better for the environment because you can use it longer"
One, do your homework, most of our natural gas is imported just like most of our crude oil. The primary source is Canada and I believe Mexico. Just exactly how does that benefit OUR economy?
"We buy most of our natural gas from western Canadian suppliers. Most of the gas is transported to our system by TransCanada Pipelines Limited. Additional natural gas comes from U.S. sources and Ontario producers."---Union Gas
Two, considering the vehicles used on this site, concern for the environment is not exactly at the top of the list. You have to do much better than that.
Three, grow up and quit your phony whining. No one is flaming you, just expecting you to back up your words. If you want to promote amsoil, that's fine but be ready for some rebuttal.
In my book, ANY product that relys on as much hype as amoil, is suspect in my book.
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Stan
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maybe amsoil's xl price is what it is because
they don't sell millions of quarts at walmart
so they don't get the benefit of volume sales
mobil1 sells so much why dont't they sell for much less?
i buy oil for 5 trucks and cars, a boat, atv's,
sleds, chain saws, mowers, weedeaters, etc
i spend about $900 yr on oil, 2 cycle, lube
and filters
i will spend $20 yr to be a member anytime
when it helps me save over $200 yr
$20 for an amsoil member card is a drop in the
bucket and well worth it
i pay $65 for a case of amsoil PAO 5w30 synthetic
that's 4 gallons so it works out to $16.25 gallon
or 12 qts so that works out to just over $5 qt
you are correct. plenty of liquid natural gas in
North America
better to use that than importing additional crude
out of the middle east
or from Chavez in Venezuela (12% of our crude imports)
i'm not an amsoil rep so don't flame me
i am not evasive
i don't have all the answers
i just have ideas and opinions
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N56629
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"mobil1 sells so much why dont't they sell for much less? "
That's like me asking you to sell your truck to me for $6000 when you know darn well that you can get $7000. It is simply a dumb question.
"i pay $65 for a case of amsoil PAO 5w30 synthetic
that's 4 gallons so it works out to $16.25 gallon
or 12 qts so that works out to just over $5 qt "
How much for shipping all that oil? That's part of the cost.
"i will spend $20 yr to be a member anytime"
How would you like to pay a fee for every single product that you purchase? I think it would be incredibly annoying and inconvenient not to mention a blatant rip-off.
"you are correct. plenty of liquid natural gas in
North America
better to use that than importing additional crude
out of the middle east
or from Chavez in Venezuela (12% of our crude imports)"
You learned two things today. First where it actually comes from and a fancy sidestep.
I still haven't figured out why amsoil fans are so misinformed or deliberately spread misinformation about their favorite product.
"i'm not an amsoil rep so don't flame me"
See, just one more bit of misleading infromation. I haven't flamed you yet. You do it well enough yourself. Your persistent need to tell everyone that you are not an amsoil rep is very suspcious. It's as if you are trying to convince yourself.
Why is that?
"i don't have all the answers "
I think that is what they call an understatement.
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Stan
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give mobil1 a call and ask them why there prices are too high
shipping is a necessary cost
the local auto parts store adds a small amount
to every price in his store to cover shipping
unless it is FBO which means the seller added it
to the cost already
nothing is free including shipping
shipping is either included or additional
i don't mind being a member if i get something for it
my wife belongs to a Sam's and a BJ warehouse
both stores charge us an annual fee to buy wholesale
you still haven't taught me anything
i am still not an amsoil rep so don't flame me
i am not evasive
i don't have all the answers
i just have ideas and opinions
america is a free country
EXCEPT for shipping which is extra
hahahahahahahahahahaha
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Dan M
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in the economic community it's called ... TINSTAAFL
There is no such thing as a free lunch! Someone pays the tab, usually its the end user.
Why pay $6/quart? why pay even $5/quart. i pay $3/quart for supertech from wal-mart for my truck.
I won't use non API certified oils, I value my vehicles too much.
i do admit I do pay $6/qt for my wife's car only because I have to. Castrol is one of 2 vendors that I've found in research that makes an oil for her VW Jetta - in the us market. Amsoil doesn't make it, mobile 1 doesn't make it.
It's 5w40 factory
10w40 acceptable
yet another reason why amsoil isn't an option.
VW 505.01
I believe jaguar, landrover and volvo fall into similar category.
- Dan M
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N56629
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"give mobil1 a call and ask them why there prices are too high."
Give amsoil a call and ask them why "their" prices are too high.
"shipping is a necessary cost"
The prices I quoted for M1 included shipping. The prices you quote for amsoil DO NOT include shipping. You still haven't figured out how to compare apples to apples. Personally, I think that is intentional and deceptive.
This means that you are deliberately being less than truthful. Some people consider that lying.
"you still haven't taught me anything"
That's your fault, not mine.
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Stan
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your retail price includes shipping. nothing is free
shipping adds little to the cost of a qt of amsoil
i pay $65 for a case of amsoil PAO 5w30 synthetic
that's 4 gallons so it works out to $16.25 gallon
or 12 qts so that works out to just over $5 qt
since i order more than oil the freight is discounted
i order oil and air filters. now 2-cycle and grease for my sleds
freight is different based on where you live
including shipping I pay about $5.90 qt for amsoil
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get a life
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stan no one cares
except you
the only one responding to your amsoil scam is you
so to put it plain
we dont give a sh!t
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N56629
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"including shipping I pay about $5.90 qt for amsoil"
We are finally getting some place. I just bought 5qts. of M1 for $22, including shipping. Do you want me to do the math for you?
Again, why is amsoil ripping you off to the tune of $6.05/qt. retail plus shipping?
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Stan
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M1 is group 3
Amsoil is PAO
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Stan
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amsoil PAO 5w30 is $5.90 qt inc shipping
compare that apples to apples with any PAO oil
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compare this
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Scamsoil is Group3 !
and their salesmen
are nothing but bull Sh!t artists !
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"Gee kinda funny when steve put everyone down for using M1 cause in his owrds "its group 3 not real syn"
but when amsoil is group 3 it somehow becomes "True Syn Oil" LOL"
So why waste all your money on a over priced
over hyped oil
when you can go to your local walmart and buy a oil even better!
thats right
you can get the same syn oils at walmart and
better yet all the oil they carry is API certified
http://www.amsoil.com/articlespr/article_xl7500.aspx
Q: AMSOIL will be using a different formula for its XL-7500 Motor Oils. Why did AMSOIL change the formula?
A: Our XL-7500 oils are the oils of choice in the retail oil change market, and primarily because of warranty concerns the customers in this market require API-certified oils. In order to obtain API SL/ILSAC GF-3 certification and still remain cost-competitive with the other oils sold at retail oil change outlets, we had to change to Group III basestocks. To obtain API certification with our top tier basestocks would have priced our Dealers out of the market.
Gee kinda funny when steve put everyone down for using M1 cause in his owrds "its group 3 not real syn"
but when amsoil is group 3 it somehow becomes "True Syn Oil" LOL
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