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Josh
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12/23/2006
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Hey guys im sure yall have talked about or expierenced these before.I came across this Electric SC.It says 17 ponies garunteed sound fishy?Says its 1.3psi and 23000 rpms would this act as a small sc or no?
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Kowalski
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12/23/2006
08:35:38
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Big scam - probably just a vent blower motor for a boat; not enough airflow. It might build 1.3 psi in a static test, but I'll bet it doesn't while trying to feed air to a running motor.
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Joe M.
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12/23/2006
10:01:45
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you gotta wonder whats next?
i can remember pills you dropped in the tank,
magnets you attached to the fuel line,
blade contraptions of some sort you put in the breather assembly, now these
did i miss any?
josh one thing to consider the big auto makers would love nothing more then to sell more units
what helps sell? sticker numbers
and if any of these simple (drop in or screw on) things really worked Detroit would have been putting them to use
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.boB
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12/23/2006
10:33:51
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Big scam. Check out a marine supply web site, and look for a bilge vent fan. It's the same thing.
Do the math. A 4.7L engine moves 4,700 liters of air every minute at 2,000 rpm's. That's about 165 cubic feet. Then you have to double that, and create pressure. Not going to happen with a simple fan.
An electric sc has been experimented with many times over the years. Just not cost effective. You have to produce so much electricity that it negates any value of the increased pressure.
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Josh
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12/23/2006
10:45:48
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Thats what I was thinking to fellas thanks for the info.If it worked why wasnt everyone already doing it!
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OBIO3
Dodge Dakota
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12/24/2006
19:49:43
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Yeas ago there was a guy that came through town once or twice a year selling a gadget thet improved power and fuel milage. He sold these like hot cakes cause his demistration on his own car was very convincing to the average person with no motor knowledge. These things sold for 20 bucks And I could stand there and watch him sell dozens and dozens, probably a couple hundred a day. It amounted to a brass T that fit close to the intake in a vacumn line. the leg with nothing conected to it had a small hole. obviously this caused a vacumn leak and consiquently the engine idled faster. He would remove it and install a streight hose connecter and the idle slowed back to normal. The guys eat this up convinced this gaget actually was doing something. Just thought I'd mention this scam from days gone by. Bet it comes back one day lol
So many problems .... So little time
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Alec
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12/25/2006
11:56:32
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What if they strapped a fuel cell that would recharge just like all these new hybrids. Lithium Ion batteries create some serious power. I wouldn't be suprised if some automaker introduced a small electric supercharger in the next 5 years.
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4.7onN20
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12/25/2006
23:38:44
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The best electric supercharge I have found is thomas knights but it is not nearly big enough for a 4.7. As far as i can tell it would not be to bad for a small 4 cyl engine maybe even a 6 but it is still not cost efficient.
As alec said with the new hybrids and new battery technology I dont think it will be to long before they come up with one that could power some larger engines. I looked up the prius battery specs not to long ago and with the right electric motor im sure it could pump out some pretty serious boost. I also found some papers from visteon and there was some other german company who proved it was possible but still expensive.
The price may not be to bad though because a regular supercharger or turbo puts more stress on the engine than an electric s/c would. A regular S/C or turbo uses hp to make boost but electic will not.
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GraphiteDak
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12/26/2006
11:16:20
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Speaking of electric motors.
There is a guy who runs a home made electric rail at Speedworld Raceway out here by me.
It does 12 sec and better 1/4 mile. I figured it had a bunch of BIG batteries in it like golf carts.
Nope. Someone told me there was like over 100 CELL PHONE/LAPTOP batteries in it powering them motors! Lithiom-Ion.
I may have a few of the details messed up but it is something like that.
Anyway. My neighbor acrossed the street was showing me something broken on his car one day and I noticed his nice ELECTRIC SUPERCHARGER!
I could not stop from giggling as I pulled out my camera phone!
http://www.paysonarizona.net/Rice/06-14-06_Ty_01.jpg
http://www.paysonarizona.net/Rice/06-14-06_Ty_02.jpg
Assuming Mark still has the html off, you will have to copy and paste that into your browser. Check out them pictures of that electic SC. He said he THOUGHT it may have been noticable at lower speeds, but didn't do anything at WOT LOL!
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.boB
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12/26/2006
14:41:17
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That's pretty funny. That looks like a heater fan motor. I wonder how much a restriction that is.
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FUSR
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12/26/2006
22:08:52
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It's just like that junk Amsoil.
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GraphiteDak
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12/27/2006
01:03:24
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While I know better than to put a electric blower on my vehicles, I have Amsoil in both. :P
I don't know how you can consider the two simular.
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Big Dak
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12/27/2006
02:11:44
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Whoooo, hope that was a typo a few posts back because a 4.7L engine is NOT 4,700 liters, its 4,700 cubic centimeters.
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Josh
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12/27/2006
02:37:43
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Look at his name Graphite just another idiot mad cause he cant afford amsoil in his weak budget.Ma and Pop dont trust him with that much money theyer allready paying for his Dak.
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Kowalski
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12/27/2006
07:28:08
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Big Dak - you seem to have missed the point of boB's post. I think there is a typo in boB's post, but the math is actually on the low side. A 4.7 liter motor will move 4.7 liters of air per revolution, so if it was only 1000 rpm, it would move 4700 liters a minute; assuming full efficiency. Depending on design and rpm, many motors do move air near peak efficiency; and when they are at an rpm where the exhaust pulse is working well to scavenge the chamber and draw incoming charge they can actually move a little more air than that. That means about 9400 liters a minute at 2000 rpm. The air required to be pressurized becomes much larger as rpms continue to build. Now do you see how much air one of these devices would have to move to work ?
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.boB
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12/27/2006
11:51:06
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A four stroke engine moves it's displacement every two revolutions. 4.7L every two revs. 2000 rpm's = 4,700L (166 ft3) per minute; 9,400L (332 ft3) at 4,000 rpm's.
To pressurize the intake enough to make power, you'de have to move about 1.5 times that. And you have to do it under pressure. Although moving 500cfm isn't that difficult, there's no way a simple fan can make pressure.
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Kowalski
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12/27/2006
11:59:44
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Oops ! Good point about 4 stroke boB !
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cant beat it
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12/27/2006
16:18:48
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"there's no way a simple fan can make pressure"
sure there is
just put a few drops of that "miracle"
SPAMSOIL on it!
it works wonders!
makes fuel pumps last to over 500,000
and also works wonders on brakes!
over 500,000 miles on them too
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GraphiteDak
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12/28/2006
01:29:13
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When we are talking about a rip off electric blower, it is generally OBVIOUS that it is a scam.
But it makes no sense at all that people come in here and talk crap about Amsoil which has been around for years. Everyone has their own opinion and it is typical for people to stick with something and be loyal. If you like another brand, stick with it if you prefer. Talking crap just starts an never ending argument. Ppl have to be totally ignorant to make stupid posts like that.
It's probably someone who doesn't even drive yet. Maybe found the forum in a search one day on mommies computer while looking for something to spank themselves with?
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4.7onN20
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12/28/2006
02:15:19
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Unfortunatly there are alot of kids that think they know everything about everything because their friend put a turbo on his civic and he said amsoil was junk. Automaticly stupid people believe what there told and feel the need to tell everybody that they are right and everybody else is wrong. IMO if you want to flame something you better be able to back it up with solid facts. I think what really ticked me off was this moron jumped into a really well thought out technical post and put his idiotic 2 cents in. By the way moron any simple fan can make pressure if it has enough power. There are more effiecint ways to make boost though.
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1hotkadota
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12/28/2006
13:22:57
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I run Amsoil in your mom!
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