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GraphiteDak
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11/16/2006
18:01:10
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Yeah I was going to mention that as well, that it is LAZY people who do the Chevy swap as it's easy, cheap and anybody can do it :p
At work the sales guy showed me the loaner truck he has this week while his RC Chevy gets fixed. So he's in this loaner COLORADO 3.5 I5 QC. But for a QC it is SMALL compared to my QC Dakota. And it is just a light 2WD.
He was telling me he HATES that truck and how SLOW it is to accelerate and how it runs at higher revs just to accelerate mildly.
I can't believe anyone would compare a Colorado to a Dakota. Especially a V8 Dakota of ANY engine.,
1Hotkadota, I will surely tell you when I get the Duster up there. Wont be this year I know that for sure :(
I've been too busy playing with my ATV or especially Rammer's Mustang trying to get it done.
I was going to post some pics, but I shouldn't hijack this thread, even though it's an un ending argument :)
Check out my latest projects here ---> http://www.paysonarizona.net/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl
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Richard
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11/16/2006
20:35:36
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Chevy invented the small block any Ford or Dodge motor have Chevy influence in it look at your Dodge motor before and after 1955. GM has also made 90 million SBC and they are used on more application than any other motor. Kowalski you words on the SBC are out of your a$$ and claiming people only use SBC because there lazy is the stupidest/false excuse I ever heard. I'll tell you 3 things Chevy did that changed the way engines are today then you do the same with Dodge and lets see who has more?
1 SBC first greensand casting, meant the block could be cast upside down, thus reducing the amount of cores and adding strength which everyone used after Chevy
2 SBC first Hollow pushrods to carry oil to the cylinder heads thus no longer needing external oil pumps
3 SBC first A one-piece intake manifold combining the water outlet, exhaust heat riser, distributor mounting, and lifter valley cover in a single component and yes everyone now has it your turn.
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GraphiteDak
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11/16/2006
22:09:54
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That don't mean much.
You can find inventions copied from all three makers if you want.
And the last invention you noted was a crappy one IMPO. They should never have included the hot water and exhaust gases through the intake manifold!!!!
That's why I like to get rid of old manifolds and use new ones with NO exhaust crossover, and a air gap. Not much you can do to keep the water out on the old designs unless you make a home made intake for an older engine :p
Honestly, when I have a Chevy. I build a 350 for it. I aint no fool when it comes to aftermarket parts!
If it's a Ford, I build a Ford, usually a 302.
And if it's a Dodge, I build up a Dodge. I'll swap motors from diff years, but no damn cross breedingas far as engine transplants goes! Unless it's some misc hardware or accessories. I'll put a Chevy one wire alternator on anything I feel fit. Just like I'll use a Ford rear in anything.
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Tired
Dodge Dakota
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11/17/2006
06:31:24
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Prime time chevy lapdog. The ford Y block was the first to use that casting type. It had a oil pump in the pan. It also had an airgap manifold (due to the crappy gas of today is the hot setup again). Had nascar(a division of GM) allowed the SOHC 427, How far ahead of the Jap car makers would the US makers be? Cammers are the future. Then we need to talk about the cheap castings that chevy usedfor awhile. Cracked blocks and many cracked heads. The rebuilders were always short of usable castings. Again lets remember the 350 diesel that left many GM owners setting with a worthless machine that they were still paying for. Chevy is a bad word.
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Kowalski
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11/17/2006
07:49:34
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Richard - looking at the comments you directed at me, I think you must have your silly bowtie on too tight - it's cutting off the bloodflow to your brain. My statements are well known facts - before roller valve trains, GM had more cams with wiped lobes than Dodge or Ford by far, as they had the narrowest lifters of the bunch. Don't think for a minute that you are going to come onto a Mopar forum and frame the discussion exactly as you want while falsely claiming those who are presenting facts are talking "talking out of their a$$". It's not going to work that way, cupcake.
Tired - while NASCAR may often seem to favor GM, they are definitely not a division of GM - and never were. The real reason for the Japanese automotive advantage can be traced back to the headstart they got when we rebuilt their factories with the latest technology after Wodld War II, while our own companies got no such assistance.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
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trivia
Dodge Dakota
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11/17/2006
17:42:20
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Richard - can you name the first US automaker to offer electronic fuel injection on a production vehicle ? A bit more significant than the advances you've been harping about, since this is pretty much universal now.
Hint - it was back in the '50's, and not GM !
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GraphiteDak
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11/17/2006
22:47:30
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LOL I know my friend took a Multi Port Injection unit and engine form a 1974 Volvo and put it in his 1966 Volvo! Not sure had it first tho.
BMW and Mercendes had them wierd a$$ injection systems in the 70's. They looked like Deisel injection systems!
Kowalksi. You're not kidding about the cams. I also heard they used SOFT metal.
While I have NEVER changed out a Ford OR Dodge cam for going flat, I have on more than one Chevy, and knew about a sh*t load more!
Them cams in the late 70's early 80's were wearing down something aweful!
You know it when it wont run over 4,000 RPM's as if you hit a rev limiter! I've pulled some out and could barely find where the lobes used to be. And there was NOTHING wrong with a lifter to cause it!
All makes have strengths and weakness'. But Chevy isn't BETTER than anybody else.
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Richard
Dodge Dakota
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11/17/2006
23:06:59
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It's still your turn, but if you want to throw GM in then I will give you 3 more
1 GM First electric starter
2 GM First fully automatic transmission
3 GM First head lights
I can go on and on,I don't know who had first fuel injection but I do know the 53 Vette did it was also the first car made of fiberglass. I may like GM but I never said anything bad about Dodge yet you guys always bash GM/Ford you need to give credit to those who deserve it.
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trivia
Dodge Dakota
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11/18/2006
08:29:57
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OK, no winners yet - it was Chrysler, thought someone might guess. We're not playing your game though, like Kowalski said, you're not coming onto a MOPAR site and framing a pro GM discussion exactly as you want it.
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Tired
Dodge Dakota
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11/18/2006
15:23:16
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The 53 vette Had a inline 6 with carbs. You had to wait a few years more for the fuelie. Been there, drove them, didn,t like them.
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toolfan
GenIII
11/19/2006
13:54:10
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in a mag they did a comparson between chevy ford & dodge to see which small block and which big block made the most power. DODGE WON BOTH! what if you look at head designs chevy and ford where having trouble keeping up.
besides every chevie i have seen the under side on leaked oil like no other. every 350 power vehicle i have rode in didn't run right or didn't impress me with its claimed power output.
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Richard
Dodge Dakota
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11/20/2006
19:44:37
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I like how people come on here and use my name. Talking about being lazy when it comes to building trucks. I saw a '96 Dodge Ram fully customized with a gay-a$$ 350 in it. That is just purely lazy. I would go with a Magnum 318 or 360 over a 350 anyday.
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2002 R/T
Dodge Dakota
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11/21/2006
20:46:32
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yea i cant stand when people put 350's in ford hotrods or in dodges. i would keep it all the same brand. there are some fast 3.9's on drag truck. com
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moparman
Dodge Dakota
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11/28/2006
10:53:07
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All i can say is take them to the track and watch the dodges pull off like bad habits. I have 318 in chrysler conquest (starion)and i pulled off on 350s and some 302s all night long. one 350 blew a rod 1 car lentgh behind me about 1|8 mile mark. NEED I SAY MORE?
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Super bee
GenI
11/30/2006
01:15:40
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i run a 15.X in the 1/4 with my 3500
so :-P
i have spent $600 on it
it weighs like 7800 lbs
1990 sport RC SB, 1995 318drivetrain, 3.92 gears (came with truck) Powertrax "traction system", 95 dash/steering wheel, hearthrob exhaust, headers, cutout after y-pipe, necessary electric fan add-a-leafs, 30x9.5 mud tires, cranked T-bars, AR 39 15x8 rims, grill guard, roll bars
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GraphiteDak
GenIII
12/01/2006
23:13:57
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That's funny SuperBee. But true.
The newer Deisels are FASTER at our track than new Hemi Ram's!
They sure didn't make the Hemi's for the 1/4 mile. That's for sure! They need a few mods to get into the 15's at Speedworld!
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shatto
Dodge Dakota
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12/02/2006
16:05:28
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Graphite Dak,
Suppose it could be.........torque?
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Super bee
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12/03/2006
17:05:00
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yup, lineup my dakota and 3500, and the dakota will be eating soot
dakota is more fun to drive though, smaller, more nimble, and no turbo lag
now i jsut may nee da new axle shaft :(
i should know more later this week
1990 sport RC SB, 1995 318drivetrain, 3.92 gears (came with truck) Powertrax "traction system", 95 dash/steering wheel, hearthrob exhaust, headers, cutout after y-pipe, necessary electric fan add-a-leafs, 30x9.5 mud tires, cranked T-bars, AR 39 15x8 rims, grill guard, roll bars
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STS
Dodge Dakota
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12/15/2006
17:16:58
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SAy SuPer Bee.
Are you running Water Methinol??.. If you subcribe to Diesel power.. You'll find that some of these guys are running over 1500 ftbls toruqe in there Cummins ISB motors!
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STS
Dodge Dakota
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12/15/2006
17:20:24
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As a matte of fact. There was a F-350 with a Cummins swap. I guess the PowerStroke just wasn't enough.
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