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Larry
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
19:53:57
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I just ordered my JSP MACH III™ GRAND TOURING WING today and wondering where to put it.
I will get the most downdraft at the very rear of the truck right? I was thinking on top of the tailgate, but I would have to be careful when i open it. It would be worth the trouble though, because I would be putting alot more horsepower to the ground. I'll probably get a tonneau cover later, but I think this is probably the best mod per dollar around. Where is everyone else putting their wings? I've got a 97 V6 with open headers. Thanks for the input.
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
20:04:51
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I won't be caught dead with a grocery cart handle. I am sure that wing will really come in handy over 130 MPH.
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rEID tARDO
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
21:34:13
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Hey Larry that wing is SWEET!! Where can I get one??? Let me know cause I really want my truck to look KEWL!!
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dakman
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
21:39:38
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Put it in the trash! Why do you want your AMERICAN truck to look like some stupid rice burner, and most of their wings serve no purpose at all.
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We Todd Ed
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
21:40:42
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put one on the hood too, remember the mini wing on the Lamborghini Countach?
Say "We Todd Ed" really loud to your self
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Southern Boy
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
22:00:19
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I had a GM F-body with a wing once....but it came from the factory......and it wasnt a wing, it was a spoiler that did squat. Shouldnt you be in the "Custom Style" section anyway? Wings arent really performance unless you are a riceboy.
Remember:
Yellow stickers=50 h.p.
Winshield Banners=70 h.p.
Ground F/X, rims, and wings=too much power for me to handle.
So, if this is true than my does my stock("all motor" for you ricers out there) v6 run civics all day by atleast 2 seconds?
Slogan of the day: Yo yo! My CRX is "STICKERCHARGED."
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kennungesser
Gen III
7/03/2001
22:11:22
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Not sure it will help at all,but if you think it looks good,go for it! Its your truck. It will definatly be unique! Good luck,and have fun with it!
Kenneth l Nungesser
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Larry
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
22:14:19
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Jeffster, like Ried said, you just dont know whats kewl. Get with the times jack. And dakman, its not gonna look like a rice burner fool, its a truck. Their wings do nothing because they are front wheel drive, but mine is rear, which will put an easy 30-50 more hp to the ground once I get that thing attached to my tailgate. I was thinking about that Todd...would be a cheap way to get rid of the tire rolling I get with those highspeed turns. Wings are the future of all motorsports.
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rEID tARDO
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
22:24:47
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Gosh Lary... Are you and I the only ones in here with a sauve' sense of styling. I mean COME ON PEOPLE!!!!! Were we all looking at the same wing,cause that thing is friggin SWEET. I think that We-Todd-Ed was onto something though...I mean if one wing is cool then 2 is......I cant even think about it.
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Art
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
22:27:32
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Say reid`s name fast :)theres a nice ram with the rally stripes all the way down the tonnue cover and it has a wing on it,looks pretty good,dont know how you figure puttin 30-40 more hp tho
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Rt MaN
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
22:28:59
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Hey put it on the back and we can call it a
Dodge Dakota Ricer RT
P.S. don't forget to put clear tail lights on it and put the Euro winshield wiper on it too.
Might as well finish what you started........
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Larry
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
22:40:14
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Thanks Reid...at least somebody knows a great mod when they see one. And no, the wing is not for style (although it should be, its fat), its all about performance and more power. Also, Stickers DO NOT add horsepower. I have 4 stickers and have not noticed much of a difference. The open headers added a bunch tho! Sounds SWEET too! Really brings out that V6! Speaking of stickers, I've seen some that say CarWorks. Anyone know where i could get one that says TruckWorks? I already have one that says SuspensionWorks, would go good with that one.
Thanks in advance
Larry
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Larry
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
22:41:53
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Close Rt Man. I already have a TypeR emblem where my V6 emblem used to be!
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Superfly
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
23:02:33
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Dont laugh RT man...there are people in the custom style forum that are talking about getting them....do I smell saki????
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Bernd
Gen III
7/03/2001
23:37:56
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I'm waiting for a fellow RTML member to come back from Japan with my custom ordered Japanese Symbol sticker (states: "Toyota Sucks").
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged @ 10#
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Blckdak
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
23:41:01
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Can i get whatever that guy is smokin casue its sounds like some good sh**. I tell ya one thing its not the tires smokin from those extra 30 wing ponies. Those dont do jack unless they were engineered into the design of the car. I love seeing TypeR on civics and accords, they dont make em that way, if they do they are in japan. Also add a NEUSPEED sticker, maybe a YOKOHAMA or
some japeneese writing along the side. Dont forget the fart exhaust!!!!!
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
7/03/2001
23:42:23
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Somebody mentioned that the rear spoiler will not help you and I have to agree with them. The spoiler is a waste of money from a performance stand point. 1) The air toward the rear of your truck to too turbulent to be of any use with the spoiler you showed. 2) The drag both induced and parasitic is going to kill your performance. 3)You engine shuts down before you will ever be going fast enough to generate enough down force with that air foil to be of any help. 4) Your suspension will break lose in a turn at the speeds that you would need to generate to create enough down force to help. 5) It is going to be difficult to mount that spoiler in a sturdy fashion to your tailgate and have it look nice as well. Look at the plain steel spoilers that Nascar uses on both the cars and trucks and now look at yours. If you have tractions problems consider locking diff., better tires., suspension mods......
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Larry
Dodge Dakota
7/04/2001
01:36:29
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Nah, I'll stick with the wing. Thanks for the advise, but no thanks. It'll look ok on the tailgate, and I heard the performance gains are awesome.
 CHEVY
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Art
Dodge Dakota
7/04/2001
01:47:07
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Thats where it belongs on a chevy,I called GM and ordered my ac/delco 30 HP wing cant wait,was thinking maybe puting it on the bottom of the bumper instead fly down the hjighway at 110 and do a dukes of hazard YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA,nice one larry
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
7/04/2001
02:32:57
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Mike Balls is that you?? Only you would figure 30 to 40 HP alone for a wing??
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Hell forget a Kenne Bell S.C for a few hundered bucks I can get 2 wings save my warranty and get a whopping 80 more ponies to the rear wheels. Or is that HP at the crank. Either way I am all for it. Who cares how stupid I look for I will be going so fast they won't even have a chance to see me.
Time to go roll up another.
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
7/04/2001
02:37:36
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BTW. Stickers do add horse power. I went to the auto parts store and ordered every god damn rice sticker I could fine. With all those name weird ass name brands I can't even pronounce covering my truck this 4.7 should be putting out around 650HP and do the 1/4 mile in a mind boggling 11 sec flat.
I will do some time runs as soon as all my stickers come in and have been strategically installed all over my truck.
Later Mike.
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dakman
Dodge Dakota
7/04/2001
18:11:16
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Most Rice burner wings are pointless they produce no downforce at all what so ever, and most likely slow you down with the extra turbulence they create
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
7/04/2001
20:14:28
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No way dakman?? No extra 30 hp to the rear wheels?? Are you sure??
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Zaurusman
Dodge Dakota
7/04/2001
21:58:12
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I saw a Dakota today when I was out testing my new Accel coil on the backroads; it was a quad cab with a fiberglass tonneau that appeared to have a spoiler molded into it. The rear of the cover simply sloped upward, higher in the middle than the edges, and it looked just ... cool. And functional. I dunno how the aerodynamics of our trucks work. You know, the Charger Daytona's were tested in Lockheed wind tunnels (scaled down clay models) with little streamers attached to the bodies via tape. Anyone wanna do that and have someone in a taller truck follow them around with a video camera at various speeds? I'm sorely tempted myself... BTW - Lockheed engineered and built the fastest plane on earth, the SR-71 that breaks 3 times the speed of sound routinely and easily.
The Charger Daytona's had either a backwards or upside-down airfoil in their spoilers. The higher up from the trunklid they put it, the less it improved their downforce (so air must speed up along the countours of the vehicle). If I recall, they chose a happy medium to make it attractive ("winged car!") and improve rear-end stability. I used to have this nerf boomerang when I was a kid; had an airfoil on three "wings". It flew cool when right-side up, but twirl it backwards or upside-down and it leapt to the ground. An airfoil, btw, has a flat bottom surface with a rounded leading edge tapering down to a pointed trailing edge along the top of the wing; the air (to maintain air pressure and avoid vacuum) must travel more quickly along the top, sloped portion than the bottom flat surface, creating slower moving air beneath and faster moving air above, which generates lift because the faster the air, the less pressure. The 'flat' wings like in Larry's pic have to employ this to accomplish anything; upwards lips on the back of cars employ angle of attack instead, much like a fan blade (also affective, but less aerodynamic). The tonneau I saw used this principle.
My father has a '69 Charger and I bought him a book on Daytonas and Roadrunners and read half of it before I wrapped it last Christmas. :-) And the rest I remember from 5th grade science class back in .. middle 80's? But my two cents worth that I hope helps someone.
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Scotty
Dodge Dakota
7/04/2001
22:02:05
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Larry,
why don't you get a BackDraft rear spoiler from JC Whitney? in my opinion it looks better than a wing. i was considering on getting a wing but it might fall when going up in speed. you know what i mean? just my 2 cents.
mahalo,
Scotty
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
7/05/2001
00:31:36
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How fast would I have to get my truck going in order to gain lift from the wing. They had a car that drove on land and water why not a truck that can get lift off?? Perhaps if I redirected the wing and mounted it on the front it would lift the front end up. I could then drive on just the rear wheels only for maximum gains
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Zaurusman
Dodge Dakota
7/05/2001
10:35:35
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LOL!! I hear a Darwin award in the works... -tk
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Kyle M.
Dodge Dakota
7/05/2001
10:47:59
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Larry , you said that wings are thr future of all motorsports? Well no sh!t. Race cars have been using wings for a long time now, they are not future things that are waiting to hit big.
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rEID tARDO
Dodge Dakota
7/05/2001
11:14:15
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See what you started Larry???
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Larry
Dodge Dakota
7/05/2001
15:09:45
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HAHA, yeah...its so easy.
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Suckma Balls
Dodge Dakota
7/05/2001
16:30:10
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Suckma to all of you!
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Larry
Dodge Dakota
7/05/2001
23:05:34
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Now this is what I'm talking about:
At least 400hp from that sucker.
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Zaurusman
Dodge Dakota
7/05/2001
23:50:50
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Oh, yeah! Those things ... they create a coefficient of drag that maintains a "wormhole" of sorts through the atmosphere eliminating turbulence and therefore friction so as to allow nearly perpetual motion with an automatic gain of 50-150 horses at 60 mph and upwards of 300 at 100 mph - in top gear where you need it! They essentially take the aerodynamic turbulence of the vehicle and hide it from the surrounding air so that even a brick on wheels can rival a Ferrari's atmospheric profile. Virtually imperceivable variations in the thickness of the wing produce a votrex type effect, essentially harnessing a power such as from a tornado to propel the attached vehicle forward until the nose dives moderately under braking, at which point the tail's vortex reverses due to angle of attack to act as a parachute. They produce a similar effect to laser and radar so that this power can be on tap and used even when driving by police stations, "pigs" in the median, etc, and the sonic waves that such an instrument generates over 15.7 mph* will actually soften wrinkles and stimulate hair and genitalial growth.
And they can be constructed with only $10 in card stock and some spray paint (optional, but less likely to sag when wet). I learned how in 5th grade science class as well - should have seen my '81 Omni with 63 horsepower (or 363 at 100 mph) go... -tk
* Speed listing assumes a head or tail wind no greater than 5.2 mph unless vehicle is equipped with racing stripes, in which case all above horsepower figures double.
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dakman
Dodge Dakota
7/06/2001
00:39:12
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Zaurusman, don't forget about stickers, they at least 5 horsepower per sticker. Man, now I know why we all drive trucks...to haul all our B.S. around...lol
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Zaurusman
Dodge Dakota
7/06/2001
21:55:36
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Yeah, mebbe all that weight explains why I had a bum 4-month-old shock to replace tonight. -tk
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Jerry
Dodge Dakota
7/08/2001
15:42:17
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At the National Dakota R/T Meet at Topeka,Kans. last month my truck took 1st place in the Modified Club Cab class (even has a WING on the tonneau!!). Not too sure I could go for the multiple or skyscraper wings tho, but, it's your money and your truck. If everyone had the same thing, life sure would be boring!!
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rthomas
Dodge Dakota
7/08/2001
16:10:07
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did anyone else see this guy has open headers? wtf?
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dakotazex
Dodge Dakota
7/09/2001
01:44:11
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HUH?!
Open headers? Rear wing? I think this guy is
new to dakotas. That "New" mod is sure
gonna look cool when some guy that spent
$500 the right way blows by your ass with
stock manifolds and a nitrous kit. Boy youll
sound mean running those "open" Headers
and that 1000 hp rear wing (you guys were
way off that thing is like strapping a rocket to
the back of your truck). And dont give me
anything like "you arent with the times" or "this
is the new thing to do" Im 20 years old, go to a
good size college, and ive seen the new
mods, and thats not one of them. by the way
do you have a mullet? Ha ha ha, all in good
fun!
Josh
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Larry on 15s
Dodge Dakota
7/09/2001
16:13:06
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Damn, you people are dense. Just don't get it... Take the stick out of your butts and then read the posts.
Dope Azz 97 RC dropped on 15's
Street eating 3.9, open headers, no hood
Multi Level wing, 4ft curb feelers, throttle body spacer
10# supercharger on the way, nitrous too
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helping you
Dodge Dakota
7/10/2001
09:44:59
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Where to put the wing? Put it on EBAY for auction..maybe you'll get some money back and you can spend it on something worth while.
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Kyle M
Dodge Dakota
7/10/2001
13:34:32
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Yah,like a real imagination and a real sense to not run open headers on your 3.9L V-6. Those Valves won't be lasting too long, they will bend and warp like my Grandma's skin does. :D
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