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eddy
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4/14/2005
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Eh guys I love this site. I reciently bought a 2003 4.7 cc 4x4 sport plus auto. I needed some extra pep to be sure I'd beat a friends trailblazer so I added Airaid intake (filter and hose) and a Poweraid throttlebody spacer. The airaid is sposed to give me 18 or so hp, tq????? A couple questions>does anybody know how much tq? hp? I will get out of the spacer? Overall how much hp? tq? Quarter mile time and will I beat a trailblazer with the 4.2 4x4 LT 275hp, 275tq wt4800lbs i think????
thanx DODGE RULES!!
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DodgeDG
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4/14/2005
16:43:22
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an average with any Intake is probably about 8 HP, for instance, I have a Gen II FIPK, and it claims to add 8 HP for the 4.7, AIrraid is problaby about the same, as for beating a trailblazer?, it might be close, considering you do not have alot of mods. It depends on the driver. IF you had stick you might have a chance. but you need a little more ass end I would say, I might be wrong though.
Dg's Dak
2001 Dakota Sport Club Cab 4x4 5-speed HD tranny, 3.55 gears. 4.7L Magnum
HO cams
KN FIPK
70mm F&B Throttle Body
Gibson Shorties
Flowmaster 40 series
(3.92s and a Underdrive Pully to come)
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another mark
Dodge Dakota
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4/14/2005
18:57:33
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You gotta be kidding me 18 horse for a damn air tube? No way.
Unless you have a dyno to prove it for YOUR vehicle I'd be surprised if you got 2 ponies from the air tube. The throttle body spacer is a waste of money for us since we get our fuel injected below the TB.
If you aren't beating that friend's vehicle already, these parts won't help a bit. Get nitrous, that'll beat him and it's cheap. Hell, use a Sneaky Pete, and he'll never suspect a thing.
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DodgeDG
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4/15/2005
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8 horsepower, not 18 , read a little more clearly ,
go to the KN website, they claim that for the 4.7 L engine there is a Eight Horsepower gain from the intake.
now, an Intake and a TB combined might give you 18 - 20 HP, as I said "might".
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MattNC
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4/15/2005
07:47:26
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Why would they combined give you 18-20 since the TB spacer does nothing? I have a 3.9 with Airaid. It's nice, added a little something, but like everyone has said, the TB spacer does nothing, because as it was stated our fuel is injected right into the cylinder. I had a spacer (I think my only bad mods purchase) and I can vouch for it not doing much. I would figure about 8 hp, give or take a few. It's always an average and is different from engine to engine.
Matt
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DodgeDG
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4/15/2005
09:28:18
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THROTTLE BODY, 70MM Bigger HOLE + INTAKE TUBE, BIG HOLE, MORE AIR TO ENGINE, you get some mid to top end, but loose LOW END.
If you read my mods, I have a F&B 70mm Ported Throttle Body, not a "TB SPACER". and combined with my FIPK, I could tell a big difference in power, then just with the FIPK.
18-20 HP is just an estimate,
you are right, spacers do not do much.
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doubter
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4/15/2005
10:01:48
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i bet k & n can't or won't provide dyno sheets to substantiate their claims. 2hp, if you're lucky 5.
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DodgeDG
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4/15/2005
10:05:23
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Exactly, like I said, to get HP out of an Intake you need to combine it with other mods, I.E. a 70mm Throttle Body, to really use the intake to its potential.
2 - 5 is a good estimate,
I have friends that think a KN air filter will give you 10 HP, hahahhaah
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ricardcapecod
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4/15/2005
16:43:53
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When i bought mine i received one brochure showing 7.6 hp increase on a stock engine, at near peak hp and if i`m correct, 4hp and up from 3200 rpm. These numbers grow proportionally with more mods.
No advertising about tork, so i`m assuming that this is the reason that i lost a little of it from 800 to 1300 rpm. Still love it. Peace
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ricardcapecod
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4/15/2005
16:46:16
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Sorry guys. I was refering to the K&N fipk 2, not the airaid .
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TexasTodd
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4/15/2005
17:01:09
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Look, do you know anyone, I mean know anyone, that is NOT selling a mod, and has a before and after dyno, same conditions ambient, to prove any gains?
I'm still waiting for some joe blow, to before and after dyno a K&N, and get 8hp.
JUst like a different muffler, 'felt' faster, show me the money (dyno), legitamate, before and after dynos.
Years ago, people have done just this with things like Jet chips, cat backs, etc. Never saw more than a 1 hp gain, and several saw a loss. Hell my freind posted his G-tech-controlled results, where his AIr raid, actually did worse than his stock intake, EVERY time!
8, or 18, I don't think so. My Superchips tuner, on perf setting, with 93 oct, only maxed at a steady 8hp increase, over my kick Butt non superchips #'s. My dynos are posted a few months ago.
The question was, how many HP? maybe 1, maybe
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ID4x4
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4/16/2005
07:53:47
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So I just dropped 300+ for the superchips tuner for a whole 8 h.p., instead of their claim of 22 h.p. and 19 ft lbs of torque? And the claims by Intense performance and MBRP (my CAI and exhaust) of 8-10 h.p. per mod are crap? I love my truck and the 4.7, but, I see now I am getting screwed on mods that do nothing
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hybrid
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4/16/2005
10:33:25
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ID4x4,
Unless you go with forced induction you are getting screwed on mods. You can spend $1000+ easily on headers, intake and exhaust only to gain what 20peak hp and even less usable (power throughout the powerband) power. Sure it may make 8 "peak" hp but how much additional power is being produced under the curve? Just because they claim that their product will give you an increase of 10hp (or 20 or 5) that doesn't mean that you'll realize that same gain.
A lot of places that will post actual (true) dyno results usually don't test their product on stock motors so part of the gains come from the combination of mods ( intake will make more power if you already have headers, exhaust, underdrive pully's etc). Then there are those places that doctor their results. They do the first test (baseline) when it's 3pm and 100 degree's out then do the second test when it's at say 10pm and 50 degree's out. Or they just change the values of the dyno (correction factors).
I've even seen "dyno" charts where hp and tq doesn't cross at 5,250rpm because they were careless when they doctored the results (basically made them up)
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ID4x4
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4/16/2005
10:51:45
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Well, don't misunderstand me, although I love the way my CAI and exhaust sound, I already knew they weren't doing much for performance. I read these boards alot and decided to go with the superchips because some fellow dakota owners reported some nice gains. My next mod is going to be the h.o. cams, because I know I will feel the difference. Just kinda pisses me off that the whole aftermarket industry is based on fake gains, I guess you got to spend big bucks or really do your homework to get some performance. All I wanted to do is wake my Rancho lifted 4x4 up a little, gears are down the road
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dude
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4/16/2005
20:55:01
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They aren't false claims. They just don't state whether that hp is the most gained at a certain rpm, peak hp to peak hp, or average of the powerband.
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Android287
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4/17/2005
18:32:15
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ID4x4, People who have a stock 4.7 get the largest gain with the superchips. The numbers they quote are on a stock engine. TexasTodd has a few mods.
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Kowalski
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4/17/2005
20:43:25
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I think computer altering mods should compliment other mods; since they're basically ignition advance - that should contribute to any other legitimate mods. To say they don't work as well with other mods seems a copout. I do suspect they add more to the auto tranny trucks, I think manual tranny trucks such as Todd's may come with more advance.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
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another mark
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4/18/2005
21:38:06
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All companies "claim" something. Hello, they are trying to get you to buy their product. Think Mc Fly, think.
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TexasTodd
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4/19/2005
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I think you're probably right Kowalski, about the manuals already having more advance. Still some across the board gains though, but certainly NOT the the BOX states.
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ID4x4
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4/21/2005
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another mark "claim" is what I am talking about. hell if my customers did not get what I advertised, I am out of business. yeah I might be mcfly, but stand behind your product, is all I am saying, certainly not what I am seeing
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jared
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4/21/2005
18:29:37
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check out KRC performances dyno page they show an 11 horse power gain on a dodge ram just by swaping the stock air filter for a K&N FIPK
check it out
http://www.krcperformance.com/marty_dyno/PICT0009.JPG
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