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GraphiteDak
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10/28/2006
22:48:01
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It also depends on the climate where they tested. Here at Speedworld many stock Hemi Rams are only 16 second trucks. The super chips seems to help with the slow stock drive by wire torque mngmnt sheet and gets 15's from what I have seen. Take the same trucks to San Diego and they would be 14 second trucks
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TexasTodd
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11/02/2006
10:04:33
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Can this thread die a simple, death? Don't answer that.
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01Motorsport
Dodge Dakota
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11/03/2006
09:39:39
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Chevy just raised the 2007 I-5 horsepower to 242 from 220. The '07 2.9 I-4 now has 185 HP. In the long run, this nudging from the competition will encourage D-C to up their HP ratings.
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GraphiteDak
GenIII
11/04/2006
01:01:27
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LOL tonite some kids were racing around in their Colorado.
It had a loud exhaust and sounded EXTRA goofy so I am pretty sure it was a 5 cyclinder LOL!
We were in the Grand Caravan 3.8 V6. I was able to pull them a few times by almost 2 car lengths pretty easy. I let off by 50 or so because there was no point in going faster. I let them then do the drive by until we were both caught at the next light. Them 3.8 V6 mini vans are not very slow. Pretty close to a V8 Dak actually, and would trash a V6 Dak.
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Jerry
Dodge Dakota
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11/04/2006
15:07:13
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You should have raced longer the colorado makes all it's power mid-high range you left off right when they make power.
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01QC
Dodge Dakota
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11/04/2006
16:16:52
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SO jerry, that does not mean jack $hit. it would be so god damn gay to make all my power above 50 mph, what is the point of that anyway. so what your saying is that a colorado is a very fast "truck" only if your going above 50 MPH, what kinda race starts at 50 MPH, ok maybe on the highway.....but great dude that is awesome!
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LOL
Dodge Dakota
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11/04/2006
18:12:42
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Oh that's funny I enjoyed that. It's just a matter of if being too little too late.
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trucky
Dodge Dakota
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11/04/2006
23:27:27
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my thoughts on chevy? i try not to think about them.
yah i drove my moms chrysler mini van and beat a trans am it was funny...mini vans can be fast when empty. theyre made for 7 peeple and luggage...so they got some giddyup
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Jerry
Dodge Dakota
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11/05/2006
18:13:39
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The Colorado is DOHC they don't make power down low they need to rev they really start moving around 25-30. If the race is to 50 the 3.8 has it off the line the Colorado is playing catch up from the start but if it was long enough the Colorado would catch and pass it.
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GraphiteDak
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11/05/2006
21:53:26
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I always LOVE how people think a OverHeadCam engine makes power higher with less torque LOL@THAT !!!!!!!!!
It makes NO difference what so ever if it's OVERHEAD CAM, DUAL Overhead Cams or a in the block cam with push rods! It's the cam(s) profile and intake overall design that can effect where it peaks in power!
It just so happens that many SMALL engines known not have low end torque have been OHC for some time. But they were also more known in engines in sh*t box sized cars with small 4 bangers built to peak at higher RPM's. But there are also plenty of push rod engines tuned for high RPM's and some OHC tuned for low end.
So riddle me this. The Dodge 4.7 is an OHC engine. It makes GREAT power for it's SMALL SIZE right from the dead stop and drops off in power just before 6,000 RPM's.
The Chevy 4.8 is a PUSHROD engine. Absolutely GUTLESS from a dead stop, yet screams above 3,000 RPM's! That is due just in the design of the cam(s) and intake. Not where the cams are located LOL!
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Big Ben
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11/06/2006
15:50:30
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Actrally it should be making even more power.. at lest 275 HP.. Did you know that Nissan and Toyata's V6 produce over 240 HP??? And as a matter of fact if you read "Diesal Power" Dodge along with the entire Chrysler brand will be useing a 4.2L V6 Cummins in there smaller SUV's and trucks that provide over 270 HP; not to mention 420 lbs toruqe.
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GraphiteDak
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11/06/2006
16:48:07
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Yeah but a 240HP V6 wont tow a trailer like a 235 HP V8.
SO you can't compare based on ADVERTISED HP ratings alone.
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daddio
Dodge Dakota
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11/06/2006
17:00:09
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you've also got to take torque into account. a lot of these guys now are making engines with more peak hp than torque. to me that's not too practical for everyday driving.
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Kowalski
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11/06/2006
18:28:15
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Big Ben - these guys are right - you can't do a valid power comparison on peak hp #'s alone. You should look at torque and hp "under the curve" on a graph, to see where torque and hp are often sacrificed to come up with a misleading #. Anytime someone claims more power from a smaller engine with less cylinders you should be very suspicious that is going on. It's easy to throw in a hotter cam that will pump up peak numbers, while real world power at the rpms you actually spend most time driving (and towing ability) goes down the drain.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
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Jerry
Dodge Dakota
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11/06/2006
19:59:42
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It makes it's horsepower and torque high in the RPM's, go drive one I did weak off the line but really starts moving once you get going. Most mags that tested both have the Colorado as the quicker one sorry just facts. Both Quad Cab 4 x 4 the Dakota ran a 16.8 and the Colorado ran a 16.5 and that's 5 cylinder vs 8 they just can't tow.
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GraphiteDak
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11/06/2006
21:18:39
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My QC 4X4 AUTO never ran that slow, even with STOCK gears exhaust, etc.
Notice KRC does a all motor build up on a 4.7. Higher compression, and a SINGLE PLANE intake with hotter cams. 425+ HP. But I bet them HP #'s come out WAY up high. Well, you KNOW they do. They say 425HP at 6800 RPM'S!!!
That's what's there on that N/A 4.7 if you move the powerband and up the compression as well of course.
I have an EXTRA stocker 4.7 intake. I am going to modify it one of these days to a SHORT RUNNER intake. And then throw it on my Dakota to see what it does to the powerband. I bet it kills the low end, but makes the engine pull like a mo fo liek the Chevy 4.8 at high RPM's where the 4.7 dies off.
Some day I'm going to make a dual runner intake for this motor. That's what many small engine manufactures do now anyway with their V6 motors. Long runners for low end and then open to short direct runners at a certain RPM.
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Big Ben
Dodge Dakota
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11/07/2006
14:12:39
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I did look at the toruqe. And its about the same as the regular out put 4.7L.
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daddio
Dodge Dakota
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11/07/2006
15:03:29
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Yeah Ben, but at what rpm does peak torque occur on each?
Jerry, "Both Quad Cab 4 x 4 the Dakota ran a 16.8 and the Colorado ran a 16.5 and that's 5 cylinder vs 8 they just can't tow."
would you buy a QC, 4x4 to race or tow? personally i would not care if it was a little slower and tow a ton more. but that's just me. it's what i bought my truck for. if it wanted a race truck i'd have bought a GenII RC, 318 5spd.
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Kowalski
GenIII
11/07/2006
15:45:50
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Ben - we've got to hoist the BS flag on that claim !
The 5 cylinder Colorado is rated only 242 ftlbs of torque at a busy 4600 rpms; while our 4.7's are rated a significantly stronger 295 ftlbs at about 3400 rpms (a much more useful rpm). The 4.7 has more torque everywhere, and even beats Colorado's peak torque from 1500 rpm - 5500 rpm.
We now know you will resort to outright lying to try to prove an erroneous point !
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GraphiteDak
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11/07/2006
16:40:33
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AMEN Kowalski!!!!
From the times he posted, the Colorado is as quick as a Hemi Ram. Stock on the track near my home anyway. AT Sea Level the 4X4 Dak 4.7 and Hemi Ram should be 15's stock I imagine.
Here they are mid 16's and haven't seen a Colorado beat any yet.
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