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GraphiteDak
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1/06/2005
23:44:22
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Oh that's right. We have that "quench" area or something :-P
Plus I'd think amuminum, while tempermental in some cases, probably distributes heat more evenly, less HOT SPOTS.
So Kowalski. If you didn't have the PCM sent in to be programmed and a tuner was available. Which route would YOU go?
Sending in the PCM or buy a Tuner to do yourself?
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Kowalski
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1/07/2005
07:38:31
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I believe the quench area is built into the iron heads too - not sure why you mentioned that with the :-P ? Aluminum heads tolerate more advance better because they dissipate more heat.
I'd want a comparison of how much more advance you get with each to make that hypothetical decision - will superchips give you that info ?
I don't really need multiple settings, Leach flash is perfect for me - no problem to plan to run premium when pulling my camper or boat. If unable to plan I could just run with my boneyard PCM. I think the flash also does more - the tuner doesn't get rid of the speed limiter. The flash also expands the speeds where you can run cruise control, does the tuner do that ? Can't say I'm envious of the tuner for any reason yet.
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android287
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1/07/2005
07:59:36
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Hey kowalski, your from Mass right? When these roads dry, how bout you let me borrow your flashed PCM for the day or year. No just kidding I have the beloved four plug PCM. Its a toss up for me between the programmer or Holding out for a possible better flash.
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Kowalski
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1/07/2005
08:31:50
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Too bad it won't work in your truck, or I would let you try it. Don't you work by Amherst ? My old stomping grounds. Just a few towns from there, out in the sticks by the Quabbin reservoir. Flash made a nice difference, seat of the pants says I got about as much out of it as the HO cams. I'm guessing you might be happier with something that would get rid of the speed limiter ? Hopefully something better will come along for you guys with the newer 4.7s, I'm hoping my next mod will be a new hemi Dak if the rumor they might be out in '06 is anywhere near right.
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Jon
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1/07/2005
16:56:41
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Well, Superchips is taking my tuner back! They were really cool about it though, and should have it reprogrammed and back to me within 3-4 days after they receive it. And their paying shipping both ways . (I guess you'd expect that, since it didn't work, but you never know these days!). Overall, they seem pretty cool to work with.
Just diein' to try the thing out though!
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jasonshemidak
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1/07/2005
23:19:34
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"next mod. hemi dakota." me too!
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GraphiteDak
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1/09/2005
22:30:57
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Hmm.
I don't care about the speed limiter all that much. When do i need to blow by 120MPH?
However, today I was limited by that damn cruise control limiter.
Today I took the family up to Flagstaff to go in some good snow they got.
Brought some sleds and the wife's polaris which i just hauled in my bed.
The bro in law took his Polaris with his 2000 Ram 318 2WD.
In acceleration we are almost even, i have a SLIGHT advantage.
But going up them hills his really lost the power in the high altitude where of course mine does too, but not nearly as bad.
On our way back we were going a little faster. There was a 4X4 Dakota just like mine. Had to be about the same year because his 4X4 decals where on the sides as well. He had dual outlet exhaust and kept trying to pass me on the right on some hills but he couldn't because as i was in a line in the left lane we were already passing a slower line of cars. He tried that about 3 times where he had to back off and get behind me again.
Well when it opened up for us he took off again to pass so I got on it and I seemed to be able to beat him. At the same time I pulled from a Chevy HD. (which tried to pass me too). I got to about 96 MPH on a pretty steep hill (going DOWN the other side has run away ramps for trucks).
I had my family and a quad. They were empty!
Maybe my torque numbers ARE better than stock. Who knows. It was pretty cool though. He messed with me a few more times. Sucker.
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1/09/2005
23:56:24
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I would like to see someone with a 4.7 auto and tuner to program in the biggest tire size while running reg size ones. Wouldn`t that move your shift points?
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Izzy
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1/10/2005
09:27:16
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That is a really good question TRY, of course your speedo would probably be way off due to the adjustment.
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GraphiteDak
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1/10/2005
21:00:57
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Well I doubt the shift points would change at all. The ratio of the speed sensor on the output if the tranny would always be the same relationship vs. RPM's no matter what size tire you had or program for tire/axle would be. i think the adjustment is ONLY to calibrate your speedo/odometer to the final axle ratio and/or tires.
Now having THAT said I'd be curioius IF you actually installed a good jump in final gear ratio like going to 4.56's on stock tires how the PCM would respond to such sudden acceleration as teh RPM's came to redline quicker in 1st gear, etc. I'd think MAYBE the PCM would be urging to shift faster to the point MAYBE you'd get an increase in line pressure in the tranny and a noticable added harshness in shifts?
That's my question. However I've noticed when running in 4LO and leaving it in auto that my rev limiter has kicked in before the PCM responded in time to shift into 2nd gear! I mean. That's when I'm in 4LO and the tires slip so bad it almost revs up like i was in neutral.
As is my 5-45RFE tranny shifts pretty damn hard under full acceleration to where it really doesn't require any shift improvement unless you simply would LIKE it to bark the tires. But you always pay a price when the tranny does that on a daily basis. been there, done that.
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Dodge Dakota
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1/10/2005
21:26:23
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Graphite, I would be looking for a delay in shifting for normal driving, it shifts pretty good when your on it. In other words I hate how mine is always in such a hurry to up-shift, even when accelerating a bit. It likes to bog itself out for fed mpg reasons I would guess. If you throw in the biggest tire setting I would think the shifts would be delayed. No?
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GraphiteDak
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1/12/2005
17:26:28
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Weird. What tranny do you have?
Maybe it's just my TPS mod is in a good setting, but I can give my truck only half throttle from a dead stop and it will shift on it's own around 5K RPM's! No bogging what so ever.
The only time mine almost bogs is if I floor it from cruising at say 35MPH where it MAY stay in 2nd gear and start from the really low end of the power band. Same thing if I floor it from 70 it will stay in 3rd. It's rarely a problem and works liek it should.
No complaints here.
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Dodge Dakota
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1/12/2005
17:55:53
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It`s the same as yours(03 4.7 auto). Half throttle is pretty aggressive, I guess I mean feathering it around town it up-shifts too soon for my taste. I figured programming in the biggest tire size would delay the up-shifting. Could you program yours with the biggest tires for the hell of it and see what happens?(you can always put it back)
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GraphiteDak
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1/12/2005
22:41:43
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I don't have a programmer yet.
Or I would be game to screw around with it.
Superchips still doesn't list the 4.7 so maybe that was just a group buy so far. They should release it officially here soon I hope.
maybe someone who knows will chime in here...
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Dodge Dakota
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1/12/2005
22:54:34
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oops, thought you had one already. I know you would probably try it if you did though. Thanks anyway:) Anybody else wan`t to try this?
PS: I think superchips is listing it now.
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Dodge Dakota
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1/12/2005
22:56:01
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http://www.superchips.com/html/products/chrysler/gas_trucks.htm
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1/13/2005
14:46:36
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The Superchips programmer does give you an option to raise the speed limiter. It gave me the option of stock, 120 mph, or 140 mph. It didn't give me an option to raise the rev limiter though. The shift points stayed the same but the shifts were much firmer, and a lot better throttle response. It also has a speedometer adjustment for tire size. I have a 03 4.7 automatic. It may be different for the earlier year models. I am real happy with mine. It feels like a different truck. A guy on another board recorded a .4 quarter mile improvement in a Ram 1500.
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GraphiteDak
GenIII
1/14/2005
00:15:55
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They don't seem to sell direct from their site.
Anyone know where to buy one here in Arizona?
No rev limiter adjustment??????
Damn. I don't give a sh*t if I can move my 120MPH limter higher. I want to raise my rev limiter. where can i go 140??? LOL!
I could have sworn several others said they moved their rev limiter up higher. Hmm...
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TexasTodd
Dodge Dakota
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1/14/2005
06:59:43
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Graphite,
Even with HO cams, SC tuner, etc., and things, it's making nothing by 6 grand, why are you so set on raising your rev limiter?
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1/14/2005
14:56:36
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It isn't making nothing; just going beyond the max and starting to decline. You want to shift at higher revs so you're still well into the meat of the power band when you hit the next gear.
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